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Your opinion on self-mummification of Buddhist/Tibetan monks?

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It blows my mind to think of, for example, adhering to a wood eating diet made up of salt, nuts, seeds, roots, pine bark & urushi tea (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_mummies). :yuck:?! These particular monks in Japan would then be BURIED ALIVE :scared: in a pine-wood box full of salt :eek2: connected by a TUBE FOR AIR :eek: & would ring a bell, showing they were still alive. When the bell stopped ringing, the air tube was then removed.:cry:

Of course, there's much more to it than what I've posted (like their complete dedication, prayers & meditation, etc. & before, during & after the process & why they do it) but I'm just curious as to what others think about this?

It's not my choice of religion but I can't help but be AMAZED at their commitment?! I'm blown away at the thought of being put in a box ALIVE, or as some do, go into a cave where the entrance is covered & wait for Death to take me. Course, they look at it as going on to enlightenment, so I guess in their minds, it's not as terrifying since they're seeing it much differently than I am. :eek2: MUCH, MUCH DIFFERENTLY.

image.jpg This is Luang Pho Daeng btw & I think the sunglasses are a nice touch.
 
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I think people do some mighty strange things. I have a lot of respect for some Buddhists, and in this case I think they show admirable dedication to diet and dying in a prescribed way, but I seriously doubt whether there is any virtue or merit in dying like that. I'm not surprised the Japanese banned it as a form of suicide.

But some of them were meant to already be enlightened, I read, which kind of means all bets are off. Some strange things happen to the enlightened, and there are some weird and interesting cases out there of bodies that refuse to decay, like Itigolov's. I'd love to see some scientific studies done of what happens to those bodies on a bacterial level, especially the gut, because it shouldn't be possible in the run of normal science.

Perhaps the fact that they were packed in salt thus dehydrated accounts for it. I suppose morphological field explanations like Sheldrakes might be hint on how it might be possible if one allows some left field, alternative scientific explanations.
 
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I'm assuming these were people who were perhaps close to death anyway, just choosing the manner in which they would leave this planet.
It would worry me if young people were doing it and those still with the strength to do things in this world.
 
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I think people do some mighty strange things. I have a lot of respect for some Buddhists, and in this case I think they show admirable dedication to diet and dying in a prescribed way, but I seriously doubt whether there is any virtue or merit in dying like that. I'm not surprised the Japanese banned it as a form of suicide.

But some of them were meant to already be enlightened, I read, which kind of means all bets are off. Some strange things happen to the enlightened, and there are some weird and interesting cases out there of bodies that refuse to decay, like Itigolov's. I'd love to see some scientific studies done of what happens to those bodies on a bacterial level, especially the gut, because it shouldn't be possible in the run of normal science.

Perhaps the fact that they were packed in salt thus dehydrated accounts for it. I suppose morphological field explanations like Sheldrakes might be hint on how it might be possible if one allows some left field, alternative scientific explanations.
I agree, that's some serious dedication on a level I can't even fathom! From what they eat, to the process of isolation, knowing THAT is where you'll breathe your last breath, but doing it nonetheless. But don't some Buddhists believe in reincarnation, whereas others don't? I read that they don't believe in a soul...so does that mean they think that when it's time to die, it's nothing after that?

I WOULD love to see that in a study...I don't know how that could ever be possible though. I watched a program that said the particular Tibetan monks they were talking about believed in enlightenment after they died but you say they reach it before...is that a mental state of mind or do they share their individual experiences with others? Just curious. I'll look at some of your other posts around the forum, it's just been somewhat confusing for me to understand. Much like any belief, it can be described many ways or there's different levels to it. Like "Christianity" has so many denominations & beliefs within...it can get confusing for an outsider coming into it. Even someone who's nondenominational (like myself) can still find confusing areas.
 
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I'm assuming these were people who were perhaps close to death anyway, just choosing the manner in which they would leave this planet.
It would worry me if young people were doing it and those still with the strength to do things in this world.
I never thought about their age but the ones that do it are pretty up there in years. I wonder if they all are required to do that by a certain age? I need to look into that. I get what you mean about the youth but it freaks me out, the thought of doing that at any age. Picturing children or teens or even young adults doing that would be really sad though.
 
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