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Would you take it? (Given a choice)

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Cool film, has to be a favourite - & one of the best scenes - "The Walls of Reality shall come crashing down"
One of mine too :) - in fact, it's in my DVD collection. If you can call it a collection.
 
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One of mine too :) - in fact, it's in my DVD collection. If you can call it a collection.
I saw the film 3 times at the cinema when it was released, & have seen it many times since - Philip K Dick was a genius & a favourite author of mine.
 
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Remember psychiatrist didn't approve og me watching total recall

Latest shrink says if i come of meds i'll become very ill, blame them for addicting me in the first place, they could have tried alternatives before using pills

I'm also angry they just offer pills and can't help thinking when they do see me it's just to check i'm taking them
 
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Latest shrink says if i come of meds i'll become very ill, blame them for addicting me in the first place, they could have tried alternatives before using pills

I'm also angry they just offer pills and can't help thinking when they do see me it's just to check i'm taking them
I agree - there is plenty of evidence that many things benefit those with "severe mental illness" - before resorting to meds.

It sickens me how the system is in this country.
 
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Latest shrink says if i come of meds i'll become very ill, blame them for addicting me in the first place, they could have tried alternatives before using pills

I'm also angry they just offer pills and can't help thinking when they do see me it's just to check i'm taking them
I've always wondered why they don't study each individual by using fMRI scans and any other methods to find out what is actual going on - to find out what is working fine and what isn't. I know, the most obvious factors are money and time. I don't think medication should be the only way forward with the healing process and I'm lucky to have had CBT, counseling and psychotherapy. I even asked my doctor that if there are any research projects going on at any university or research center that needs a subject to study then I'll happily volunteer ( within reason ). He isn't aware of any ( probably locally anyway) that are asking for any although I was involved in some testing with a researcher from the nearby university this afternoon.
 
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Catch 22

If you come off meds for depression do you think you become depressed again or more depressed or is it the withdrawal problems of the meds??? I'd like to feel what I am really like again but don't know if it is worth the risk
KP:confused:
 
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would i take the pill mm is it a sweet pillor a bitter one?or both, a delicious duality bittersweet as life itself. Could a pill really restore my innerself so invaded by marauding voices that invade my privacy and comment on my every action?
I think i will take it to Dantes Inferno and ask them at the gates of hell.:D
 
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Changing a potential vicious cycle

If you come off meds for depression do you think you become depressed again or more depressed or is it the withdrawal problems of the meds??? I'd like to feel what I am really like again but don't know if it is worth the risk
KP:confused:
There can be a vicious cycle where coming off any regular drug (even caffeine) may produce a physical response, & a doctor response 'This shows you are not ready to come off medication'.
As a general rule of thumb it's a good idea to reduce medication by 1/10th for a few weeks, see how you go & the reduce by a further 1/10th & so on. Always check with your doctor.
There are several perspectives on depression and 'mental illness'. Here is another big chunk from my thesis
"Healy (2005, p. 164), a psychiatrist, comments

“These hypotheses and their derivatives (regarding monoamine theories) have dominated thinking on depression, particularly in popular books on depression or antidepressants or in articles fro magazines such as Cosmopolitan or Esquire, giving rise to a language about chemical imbalances. The truth, however, is that despite four decades of work there is still no convincing theory about what is wrong in depression, and no evidence for a chemical imbalance”.

However, Healy does say there is evidence that antidepressants do work although we do not know how. In my psychotherapy practice many clients on antidepressants do believe that ‘chemical imbalance’ for psychological disturbance is a ‘scientific fact’, hence my concerns and scepticism about the consequences of beliefs founded on doubtful epistemology. As a counter-point their faith in chemical imbalance and tablets perhaps needs respect similar to faith in gods, people or theories. Some depressed patients doubtless would prefer tablets rather than explore contributory factors. Breggin argues that it is wrong for doctors to treat body biochemistry out of the context of their patients' environment, and that depression is 'a natural response to living' (Breggin, 1993 p. 148)."

There are other perspectives but these may add to the confusion!
If you want to know more, the following website called 'Coming Off' (by a clinical psychologist who has) is great http://www.comingoff.com/.
There is also a good 'warts & all' book of user accounts of coming off medication (that may put you off the whole idea, but some of their meds are really 'heavy')-here's a link hopefully (!) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Coming-Psyc...=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227608622&sr=1-6

I hope some of this is useful,
All the best,

Roger
 
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Initially I thought of course I would take it but not too sure having read through everyones thoughts on it.... Even more confused now. Am going to my GP tomorrow to seek help after being really suicidal for a while now. I just know he will fob me off with Citalopram and try and get rid of me. The last bad episode I had was four years ago and I admitted myself voluntarily to the local psychiatric unit. I came out feeling okay but have been on a down hill slide since. I have been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.

Hope I am not rambling, I am so sad today.

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Am going to my GP tomorrow to seek help after being really suicidal for a while now. I just know he will fob me off with Citalopram and try and get rid of me. The last bad episode I had was four years ago and I admitted myself voluntarily to the local psychiatric unit. I came out feeling okay but have been on a down hill slide since. I have been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.

Hope I am not rambling, I am so sad today.

Duchess.
I'm sorry that your feeling so sad today - there are times when I feel really down to the point where I wish it was over. The thing is it may take days weeks or even months to feel better and for me, thinking about the time when I'm feeling happier helps me to cope. There is always light at the end of the tunnel no matter how long it may be. Although my illness is not related to depression I think the whole aspect of living with a mental illness can bring on depressive symptoms. My mum has Bi-polar disorder and I get the feeling that part of my problem is related to that.

Another thing is that I've got a really good doctor at the moment who listens to everything I have to say and allows me to reduce my medication etc if I want to try such things.

Lastly, please feel free to share whatever you wish here we are here to listen and help in anyway that we can (y).
 
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if there really was a magic pill that could remove depression anxiety mania. Im sure i would be tempted. I keep trying to come of my meds but become unstable and need them again. Ive also been ill all my life and if as a teenager been given this my life would have worked out completly differently.

I have friends telling me my whole life that im very complicated and difficult when i get an idea in my head

I wpuld be able to socialise without paranoia, go into a supermarket without thinking i was being followed or having a panic attack.

So would i take it . Yes i would. To be able to go back to the feeling of happiness, that i once felt i had
 
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yes

i have lived an suvived 10 lives already, i have flatlined .close on killed by shrink,beat to shit.traveled to mars an back. drank till unconsious.so yea give me the pill .
 
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The perfect " Bitter pill" ? Yes I would try it.....no hesitation. " I feel normal when I am sick inside" does not make sense to me..... sorry.
 
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presuming it was safe and had been thru all the necessary trials i cant see what harm it could do. The worse would be nothing
 
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While we are on the subject of meds, I would love to here more opinions, I have tried several and at times find it is to my advantage to change them up.
I also at times feel it is time to not take them and I stop taking them. I have always ended up taking them again but I must say I enjoy being off of meds when I am feeling good . Do not miss the side effects and the expense. I have so much more " feeling " as to what the world is around me when I am off of them, and the usual sexual side effects suck. My fave is Celexa but I find I must switch to effexor now and then. Another question, is anyone else a caffeine addict when depressed?
 
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While we are on the subject of meds, I would love to here more opinions, I have tried several and at times find it is to my advantage to change them up.
I also at times feel it is time to not take them and I stop taking them. I have always ended up taking them again but I must say I enjoy being off of meds when I am feeling good . Do not miss the side effects and the expense. I have so much more " feeling " as to what the world is around me when I am off of them, and the usual sexual side effects suck. My fave is Celexa but I find I must switch to effexor now and then. Another question, is anyone else a caffeine addict when depressed?
Hi matt. I am a coffee addict & I smoke a lot of cigarettes. I don't drink or take any other recreational drugs. I take 175mg Amisulpride; I've been on it 10 years. The original dose was 1200mg!. I took that for a year & then withdrew - & was forced back on them; I agreed to 200mg. I've tried two attempts to come off them since then; & ended up very ill. I do think that a lot of getting ill was a withdrawal reaction, combined with a lot of stress in my life at the time.

I have been so determined to stop the meds on previous occasions that when things have got difficult I have soldiered on & hoped that things would improve. This past year I have on around 4 occasions taken a low dose of Valium to take the edge off "symptoms"; when I have had very off days & lack of sleep. I has helped at the time. I discussed this with the psychiatrist; & they have prescribed me Olanzapine 5mg - to take as & when needed, so far I haven't needed to take any. I am considering cutting down the Amisulpride - maybe to 150mg & seeing how things go. If I get off days then maybe the odd Olanzapine can take the edge off things. It is something which needs to be done very carefully. I don't think I will discus this with the psych. I can always re-up the med if needs be. Over the past odd year I have tried this 25mg reduction twice; & each time I felt ill quickly & re upped the meds.

I generally accept taking this dose. But I would love to get off them. I agree with you - that quality of life is better in full awareness of faculties; without the chemical induced state of a med. It is finding a balance of that without becoming ill. Ideally I would like to stay in some kind of therapeutic med free environment with a lot of support. God knows where.

I am not as fixed in my views, or personal relationship to meds; as I once was. There needs to be a middle ground. I don't want to mess about with the meds too much or end up substituting the amisulpride for olanzapine. I do think that a regular exercise regime would help me a lot; along with more regularity with meals, stopping the ciggies & also regular meditation. I am involved with constructive things in my life; although I would benefit a lot from more regularity, routine, self-discipline, & self-care. The motivation, desire & energy to do these things is lacking in me, & it is something which runs deep. I have a behavioural pattern of not getting involved in the wider society. I find routine very hard.

I have to look from the perspective of the present. If I had a time machine then I would have approached things differently in the past; & maybe today I would not be on meds. However; I have to accept the situation & having to presently take them. With enough gradual changes to my life; & finding more stability & health, maybe in the future my circumstances will be more conducive to successful med withdrawal. I do know it can be done; people do accomplish it successfully, & go on with a full recovery.
 
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I had my Seroquel reduced from 700mg to 650mg daily in April and I'm hoping the doctor will reduce it another 50mg coming in January. I've felt more awake, less pounding in my left side of the head after taking the evening dosage and more emotional. Sometimes I get down maybe even depressed a little but I think that's due to my circumstances and is not part of the illness - even the doctor said that he doesn't want me on anti-depressants since this is common with those those in recovery with Schizophrenia.
 
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From what i gather my women friend upstairs isn't given a choice about the injections, this cpn is coming round and forcing them on her even though she says she doesn't want them.

They can argue the velvet glove of choice but theres an iron fist inside as i'd experience if i refused to take the pillls
 
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Hmm…It would be very tempting to take the pill but as some one else said, your illness could be symptoms of something else.

I felt suicidal when I was younger which I leant later was down to my personal environment. Moving out of that environment removed my suicidal thoughts.

Would a pill have cured my suicidal thoughts? It may have done but my life would have turned out wholly different and I don’t think for the better..