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What would happen if I told psychiatrist I was faking bipolar?

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Well I wouldn't know, not being clever myself.

I knew someone who was sent home from hospital because she had a Master's degree! Like seriously, they didnt believe she could possibly be in mental distress because she is intelligent, wtf
I had a psych once say to me that he wouldn't refer me for counselling because 'academic people don't need counselling'. Apparently the counsellor has to be on a higher 'level' than the client so that advice/whatever can go downwards to their 'level'.
Bollocks. I wrote and complained to the centre. Intelligence (or level of academic study) has NO relation to mental distress, in my view.
 
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I had a psych once say to me that he wouldn't refer me for counselling because 'academic people don't need counselling'. Apparently the counsellor has to be on a higher 'level' than the client so that advice/whatever can go downwards to their 'level'.
Bollocks. I wrote and complained to the centre. Intelligence (or level of academic study) has NO relation to mental distress, in my view.
But then some research on CBT says intelligent people are more likely to benefit from it....but not too clever as then you can really argue with the therapist and they don't know what to say

Sometimes they don't want to offer therapy to people who know too much and have too much insight into their condition...then they label them with PD
 
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My ex-partner who totally controlled me, beat the hell out of me because I would not stop being depressed, after he had been 'apparently' to see my then MH team and they told him I was 'putting it all on'. He also bullied/coerced me into a abortion because he did not want a 'mental kid' like me. Is a counsellor he charges £40 per hour. He counsels in abuse domestic, mental illness and abortion, to name but three. Anyone wants to go 'see him' just let me know and I will PM you his number!

Mind that all happened back in 1994 by 1995 I was the one locked in the asylum!
 
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Apparently the counsellor has to be on a higher 'level' than the client so that advice/whatever can go downwards to their 'level'.
IF you're more intelligent than the therapist it is a problem. It's also a problem if your more aware/self realised. It gets added to with the imbalance in the power dynamics - i.e. the therapist is the professional/knows best etc. There are not many people, in my view, who will meet the client on a genuinely equal level.

There is a general assumption that people with mental health problems are thick, & i suppose some are, but there are also some people with incredible intelligence that suffer mental/emotional confusion/distress - John Nash springs to mind, but there are many others. What would a trainee therapist do with someone that devised game theory? It's a joke in many ways - there is a problem with psychological/therapeutic approaches as much as psychiatry a lot of the time, because neither is really dealing with known areas. The problem comes in when people 'think' that they do know - at any level, when in reality no one really fully knows. No one is entirely wrong, just as no one is entirely correct. 'Professionalism' creates a lot of ego & pomp imo.

If you want to meet/converse with the genuinely self realised - it's probably better to seek out a genuinely enlightened teacher.
 
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IF you're more intelligent than the therapist it is a problem. It's also a problem if your more aware/self realised. It gets added to with the imbalance in the power dynamics - i.e. the therapist is the professional/knows best etc. There are not many people, in my view, who will meet the client on a genuinely equal level.

There is a general assumption that people with mental health problems are thick, & i suppose some are, but there are also some people with incredible intelligence that suffer mental/emotional confusion/distress - John Nash springs to mind, but there are many others. What would a trainee therapist do with someone that devised game theory? It's a joke in many ways - there is a problem with psychological/therapeutic approaches as much as psychiatry a lot of the time, because neither is really dealing with known areas. The problem comes in when people 'think' that they do know - at any level, when in reality no one really fully knows. No one is entirely wrong, just as no one is entirely correct. 'Professionalism' creates a lot of ego & pomp imo.

If you want to meet/converse with the genuinely self realised - it's probably better to seek out a genuinely enlightened teacher.


You need to buy some Mantra's CPU!!!! :p
 
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Just got back from seeing my new P. doc. He was very approachable and answered many of my questions. He is writing to my GP to suggest a 'new' anti-psychotic at a low dose is added to 'the mix' for both my peace of mind through the next few months and also to help with my sleep. So the Nitrazepam can be reduced and ended. He asked if I was okay with that and I said 'I fear become psychotic again far more than I fear the breast cancer' I will take anything to avoid that!

I did ask him about when I had been given a diagnosis of Schizo-affective disorder and then Emotional Personality Disorder almost at the same time. He agreed that both those could run alongside bipolar, but that the basis of both bipolar and Schizo-affective disorder had a biological base. While personality disorders where a result of childhood and past experiences that caused maladaptive reactions or coping techniques. The first two could be treated with medication, but not a personality disorder!

While realising he has a vested interest in promoting the 'medical model'. I wonder how people feel about what he said in view of the fact that some believe that all mental distress is based on a socio/economical model?

Also why has psychiatry not 'taken on board' personality disorders and 'treated them with the medications' they so readily give to others with other diagnosis's?
 
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He agreed that both those could run alongside bipolar, but that the basis of both bipolar and Schizo-affective disorder had a biological base. While personality disorders where a result of childhood and past experiences that caused maladaptive reactions or coping techniques. The first two could be treated with medication, but not a personality disorder!

While realising he has a vested interest in promoting the 'medical model'. I wonder how people feel about what he said in view of the fact that some believe that all mental distress is based on a socio/economical model?
He's just given you the standard/basic current biomedical view. What else is he meant to say?
 
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My ex-partner who totally controlled me, beat the hell out of me because I would not stop being depressed, after he had been 'apparently' to see my then MH team and they told him I was 'putting it all on'. He also bullied/coerced me into a abortion because he did not want a 'mental kid' like me. Is a counsellor he charges £40 per hour. He counsels in abuse domestic, mental illness and abortion, to name but three. Anyone wants to go 'see him' just let me know and I will PM you his number!
I'd like to go and "see" him with a few "built like a brick s***house" mates if I had them. Sorry you went through that, bellblac.xx
 
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While realising he has a vested interest in promoting the 'medical model'. I wonder how people feel about what he said in view of the fact that some believe that all mental distress is based on a socio/economical model?

Also why has psychiatry not 'taken on board' personality disorders and 'treated them with the medications' they so readily give to others with other diagnosis's?
Because people with personality disorders have historically been seen as pain in the ass clients that cannot be helped. Although I've checked my local MHT website and they recommend a cocktail of meds to assist with various symptoms people with PD may experience, as well as therapies, one reason I am keeping well away from them. Anecdotally I know of someone who was prescribed clozapine for borderline PD which did f*** all for her apart from make her foam at the mouth.

I think while there are some biochemical changes that take place in the brain due to depression/anxiety, there isn't sufficient proof that this causes the illness. And they've demonstrated that certain experiences such as childhood abuse can re-wire the brain and make certain areas more sensitive eg the amygdala, while shrinking other areas such as the hippocampus. If the brain was then scanned it would be easy for someone to conclude such a person had a genetic brain disorder but this would not be accurate. And yes I know not all people who've been abused go on to have mental health issues.

I wouldn't comment on bipolar disorder as I don't know enough about it and haven't got it myself.
 
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Sometimes they don't want to offer therapy to people who know too much and have too much insight into their condition...then they label them with PD
Ironic, given that we're supposed to have some 'insight' into our conditions, otherwise they section us. Too little is a problem, too much is a problem.... it's like goldilocks and the three bears.
 
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All I know is I once felt like you say you do now and for me the model I chose to believe in worked for me!
Why though see it as either/or?

"I have no judgement about myself and my life. There is nothing I am quite sure about. I have no definite convictions - not about anything, really. I know only that I was born and exist, and it seems that I have been carried along. I exist on the foundation of something I do not know. In spite of all uncertainties, I feel a solidity underlying all existence and a continuity in my mode of being."

- C. G. Jung
 
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Why though see it as either/or?

"I have no judgement about myself and my life. There is nothing I am quite sure about. I have no definite convictions - not about anything, really. I know only that I was born and exist, and it seems that I have been carried along. I exist on the foundation of something I do not know. In spite of all uncertainties, I feel a solidity underlying all existence and a continuity in my mode of being."

- C. G. Jung

You quote Jung at me and yet denied me only yesterday when I said we can only BELIEVE and never 'know' anything for sure. How contradictory.

You also expect the 'experts' to KNOW everything and seem unable to accept that everything is continually evolving including in the fields of psychiatry.

'My mode of being' to partly quote Jung is to find what works for me, to find a model I believe in that gives ME a decent quality of life!

I will not be spending any more time in justifying the model I believe in to you. That is the model that works for ME!

I reaally could not care less whether you believe that 'being tickled on the belly by a care bear helps your mental state' If you found that helped I would say go for it. I am not the judge of what works for you or others.

Once more I will state 'EACH TO THEIR OWN' It is fine to explore alternative models, but try not to be so prescriptive, please!
 
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You quote Jung at me and yet denied me only yesterday when I said we can only BELIEVE and never 'know' anything for sure. How contradictory.
Jung isn't discussing Belief, to my reading.

Once more I will state 'EACH TO THEIR OWN' It is fine to explore alternative models, but try not to be so prescriptive, please!
i don't see in any way that i have been prescriptive? Just expressed an opinion/had a chat on a discussion forum.

(you appear very defensive)
 
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Jung isn't discussing Belief, to my reading.



i don't see in any way that i have been prescriptive? Just expressed an opinion/had a chat on a discussion forum.

(you appear very defensive)



We agree on so very little that I am in no way surprised we will read the works of Jung and find different meaning within those works.

I had not 'signed off' on my last post before my computer fucked up, yet again.

If I appear very defensive it is because I have had the day from fucking hell and one more attack (even imaginary) and I am going to go into the middle of a field in the middle of nowhere, go down on my knees and scream for hours. Failing that I may end up killing the bastard who is causing me the hell of today and the last few days!

I DO NOT see the model I have chosen, the medical model to be a choice for others of - either or. I am sure there are things I do within my day to day existence that adds to that model, although I may not be aware of what they are without strictly documenting and analysing each minute of each day.

I know many of the things that subtract from that model though and that includes people pissing me off.

Like I say I do not care how you find your own mental stability providing it works for you. Your mind, Your Life, Your choice!

Even if pissing into the Thames at 8am each morning was the method someone chose to find mental stability. I would respect and be fine with that. If that is what they BELIEVE helps thats great.

So when Jung wrote 'I have no definite convictions - not about anything, really' He could perhaps have had beliefs for they are not 'definite convictions'!

I said I BELIEVE in the model I have chosen I never once said I have a 'definite conviction' in the model I have chosen.

You work it out.

Now this is how I sign off

Take care xxx:hug:
 
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