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What if Schizophrenics are not crazy?

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Hmmm.. is it hearing true voices or intrusive thoughts? Either way, I’m actually torn between science and spirituality on this one. I’ve seen deliverance prayers work (first hand) on someone dealing with intrusive thoughts, blaspheming thoughts, tormenting thoughts and voices. Fasting and prayer usually helps for a while but then they can come back again ( as described in the bible). When they do, fasting and prayer again is needed. Medications usually bandaid these symptoms, but these phenomenon has been happening since the beginning of time, which would say it def. spiritual. While we have different religions in the world, a lot of them have “spiritual torment or anything along those lines” as a common belief, so every religion cannot be wrong. Where there is Yung, there is yang. Where there is good, there is evil. Just the way our world is....
 
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I thought about the voices that happen due to Schizophrenia and there seems to be a lot of schizophrenics that think they can hear other people thoughts. Scientifically I know it's possible for telepathy, there have been experiments that accomplished very rudimentary telepathy, with technology. Nothing that indicates they can do what we schizophrenics would think are possible, but it shows it can happen.

Lets assume for arguments sake that what schizophrenics experience is telepathy, than that would mean the "outside" thoughts they experience aren't indicative of a mental illness. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that schizophrenics experience thoughts that are not their own. I've experienced it to.

Before Schizophrenia I was below average intelligence, now I'm worse. From what I remember reading, schizophrenics are on average, are below average intelligence. It's easy to become paranoid, when your below average intelligence, highly ignorant, gullible and hear persecutory thoughts all the time. That's why I think Schizophrenics have hard time coping with voices, they have one or more of those traits I just mentioned. Anybody would react the same way if they were under the same conditions.

While I don't know exactly how telepathy would work for a schizophrenic, nor does anybody else i know of, that doesn't mean it's impossible, it just means I don't know how it would work. So how to deal with it? I don't just want to take medicine, because that comes with a host of other problems, I'm dealing with them now. If I'm honest I would like to try something different.

I thought about different ways for me to test if the voices are real:

- Establish a timeline. If they are real people talking in your head, they can only spend so much time on you. If their school students they can only spend certain amount time on me and only at certain times. Same things for adults. It's likely an adult would have job. Find out when they talk to you and for how long. It's even possible there's multiple people talking in your head, in which case it would be more complicated.

- Find out their habits and vocabulary. Do they like using certain words all the time? Are they different from the words you use yourself, most of the time? That's a red flag, if those voices came from you why are they using vocabulary you don't use? Are they using child like vocabulary? Are they smart? Do they change personalities at certain times? Do they seem artificial at times?

- Try to get them to say things that you don't know. If you can convince them to say things you have no knowledge of than you'll have stronger evidence that the voices are real.
Brillant post
 
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Brillant post
I hope you don’t mind me chipping in again. IMO i have a feeling it’s a spiritual attack. Mental health conditions/people being attacked by demons or spirits, hearing voices, and made to seem “mad” is biblical. These phenomenons are going way back, even before psychology was founded, so it would actually point to something spiritual. Maybe people coined “Schizophrenic” are actually just very energy-sensitive people, whose spirits can be attacked easier. Also, not sure if a study was done on this, but if the majority of people with schizophrenia have mild or borderline intellectual disabilities, it would be hard for them to reason their way through most situations in life, creating a lot of confusion and distress, and furthermore presenting as madness. People suffering with schizophrenia should also be checked for intellectual disabilities too IMO. It gets complicated, but I think ultimately these are spiritual attacks.

As far as schizophrenics possibly having the ability of telepathy, there is something also in the bible called a “familiar” spirit. It’s almost of a psychic nature. Again, I can personally attest that this does happen because my loved one had an uncanny ability to blurt out with accuracy things that were in my mind or another’s persons mind, shocking everyone. Mediations can calm these happenings, but it will never get to the root of the problem. It’s worth a shot, especially when you are being tormented. My prayers for healing and best wishes to all!
 
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Oh! And and when I was fasting and praying, my loved one didn’t know I was doing this as it was done in private- Had no idea.
 
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Hey , glad you found a method that worked.
 
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We do not forgive we do not forget.

Anonymous uses that line, but it was in the bible first.

Don't believe a word of it though, and feel better off that way.
 
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Prayer always makes it worse, and intellectual disabilities speak for yourself. Cause I do not have one. I actually get compliments on my intelligence, and few people know I have ever heard voices.

Personally I believe supernatural beliefs contribute to a delusional complex that causes psychosis.

So I removed the supernatural from my life, and get far fewer voices, and delusions.

Not experiencing any at the moment, and I don't intend to ever have an episode again.

I put them to the test about being real they failed. Then I figured out I could force them to say what I want them to say.

Science explains this. You can influence all parts of your mind with conscious will, but could I do it say to a spirit.

Nope doesn't make sense.

Believe what you want to believe, but I think its a load of crock, and Ive had psychosis.

Don't put up with that crap. I test it, and find mental weapons to use against it. I have become very proficient at it.

As far as I am concerned whether a voice claims to be demonic or divine it is not real, and an enemy.
 
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Hey , glad you found a method that worked.
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Prayer always makes it worse, and intellectual disabilities speak for yourself. Cause I do not have one. I actually get compliments on my intelligence, and few people know I have ever heard voices.

Personally I believe supernatural beliefs contribute to a delusional complex that causes psychosis.

So I removed the supernatural from my life, and get far fewer voices, and delusions.

Not experiencing any at the moment, and I don't intend to ever have an episode again.

I put them to the test about being real they failed. Then I figured out I could force them to say what I want them to say.

Science explains this. You can influence all parts of your mind with conscious will, but could I do it say to a spirit.

Nope doesn't make sense.

Believe what you want to believe, but I think its a load of crock, and Ive had psychosis.

Don't put up with that crap. I test it, and find mental weapons to use against it. I have become very proficient at it.

As far as I am concerned whether a voice claims to be demonic or divine it is not real, and an enemy.
Ultimately, you have to do what’s best for you and I’m glad that you found a way to control it. That’s awesome news!
 
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Just a random thought, do you think that we as a whole know more about actual real mental/illness health than the Doctors some of us have to see.
 
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I tried my hardest to convince other people that what I was experiencing was real, but that just led to more hospital and more drugs. I even got so bad they locked me in a forensic ward for a few days so I could calm down as I wasn't having any of it.

To be honest, I no longer have the fight left in me to indulge in delusional thinking - even if it's real.

I have made a conscious decision that I will wait till I die to see if it was all real or not. I smoke so much that won't be long hopefully.

None of the Schizophrenics mind set is valued in this world. Once Shamans used to be important members of the community, but in this age we're medicated and swept under the carpet.

The truth hurts other people who cannot comprehend it.

I think we should medicate religious people instead, as they're worse than Schizos.
I know that feeling, I gave up a bunch of times. You don't have to convince anyone else you're right, as long as you can convince yourself that without a doubt you're right, I think it will be easier to find the strength to fight.
 
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Just a random thought, do you think that we as a whole know more about actual real mental/illness health than the Doctors some of us have to see.
I don't know about that, but we do have something the doctors do not, first-hand experience.
 
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Just a random thought, do you think that we as a whole know more about actual real mental/illness health than the Doctors some of us have to see.
Yes. Each psychotic episode is different from person to person. Ultimately only the person experiencing it can truly understand the symptoms they are experiencing.

Since its all happening in your head how can a doctor truly understand what is going on.

That is why they fiddle with medications because they aren't sure what will work at first.

Maybe when neurology advances along with brain imaging they will be able to understand more, but clearly they do not fully understand mental illness, or the treatement would have higher success rates and they would be able to in virtually all cases restore a person to full functionality.

Not saying they havent made strides in understanding it, but neurology is still not entirely understood. It is probably after all the most complex organ in the body.
 
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Exactly, I think of it like learning a new language, you would need someone who is already a native speaker in order to interpret the in-depth meaning or rely the context back to a stranger (no speaker) in my view understanding of hearing voices and unusual beliefs would work on a similar base.
 
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