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What if Schizophrenics are not crazy?

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We are a bunch of loonies, everybody says so, so it must be true.
 
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Have you read The Men Who Stare at Goats by Jon Ronson? It's a quick, fun read. It was made into a movie, but for the kind of "truth" you seek the book would be more edifying -- at least in terms of how intensely this realm is being explored.

The study you cite was a big deal when it was first publicized in '14. What's discouraging is the rudimentary yield (hello), & the fact that nothing has developed since then from this scientific team. Nor has this experiment been replicated elsewhere as far as I can find. That doesn't mean it wasn't authentic, but it is premature to consider it conclusive evidence (IMHO).
I heard of the movie, but I didn't know there was a book. Thanks for recommendation, I'll have to read that later.

I haven't seen any other studies on telepathy yet either.
 
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The telepathy or rather psychic phenomenon is involuntary and intermittent. I can't control it, it just happens. Sometimes when it does it can really freak you out so you need to be cool.
 
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Well if it is telepathy, I hope we can figure it out.
 
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My Take - believing you're under average with intelligence matters makes it worse.
-telepathy is proven in liminally scientific experiments. There is no proof that thoughts impact anything other than the way you see the world and not the world itself.
-what is being dealt with is experience of the world and not the world itself.
 
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For the last point, if voices were external they would require vocal apparatus which would entertain them. Hence, its internal.
 
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My Take - believing you're under average with intelligence matters makes it worse.
It's not like I want to think I'm below average. I have a hard time concentrating and I'm ignorant of a lot of things. I think that's because I'm schizophrenic I was fine when I was 8 years old. Now a days, it's hard for me to learn since I have a hard time concentrating, which I find unfortunate, because I think becoming more knowledgeable on a subject is a great way for schizophrenics or anybody really, to empower themselves. The more I know about what is possible, the easier it is for me to know what doesn't work, what's not possible.

For the last point, if voices were external they would require vocal apparatus which would entertain them. Hence, its internal.
I'm starting to think, it's unlikely I'll be able to figure out how mind reading work, at least if it stays the way it is now, so I'm taking a different approach. I'm simply trying to figure out if it's real, at the moment.
 
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I don't think all schizophrenics are crazy either. If you are right and the voices are real, than that could explain at least a couple of the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. If a voice is gaslighting the schizophrenic, than that would explain the paranoia and some delusions.
 
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I've got an IQ of 144 on the Stanford Binet Scale. So I don't buy that people with Schizophrenia have a low IQ. Unless, of course, I don't have Schizophrenia at all!
 
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Does this make you empowered? What does it mean exactly to read someone’s mind?
 
BrianHorlicks

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Over the years,
every now and again,
people have heard what I've thought now what I've said,
Sometimes words get stuck between my mind and my mouth,
And they here what I've thought not what ive said,
I did ask a work colleague one day,
When this happened,
And he heard it with his ears,
even though I know I never called him with my voice.
 
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- Establish a timeline. If they are real people talking in your head, they can only spend so much time on you. If their school students they can only spend certain amount time on me and only at certain times. Same things for adults. It's likely an adult would have job. Find out when they talk to you and for how long. It's even possible there's multiple people talking in your head, in which case it would be more complicated.
What's the point of establishing a timeline?
 
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What's the point of establishing a timeline?
It's used to gain more information. By roughly deducing the timeline and their routine, you can get a vague idea of what he or she does during the day. It's not perfect, but if you use it as supplementary evidence you can find out more about the voices.
 
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I've got an IQ of 144 on the Stanford Binet Scale. So I don't buy that people with Schizophrenia have a low IQ. Unless, of course, I don't have Schizophrenia at all!
Just, because your a schizophrenic, doesn't necessarily mean your not smart, you may be an outlier.
 
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