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Weird panic/anxiety

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Brad156

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So for the last 6 months or so I’ve been getting completely random waves of panic/anxiety for no reason at all. It will come in swings and will be completely random, I’ve never had these before in my life until the last couple months. It seems weird because I will be totally fine and then out of nowhere it seems like the serotonin or some kind of chemical in my brain just shuts off and I feel really down and feel almost trapped with panic that it’s not gonna get back to normal. It usually only lasts 10 minutes or so and then sometimes it will “click” back to normal and I’ll get a a wave of serotonin or something and I’ll feel super happy and great. Anybody have advice on what I should do or what it could be? I did do magic mushrooms a year ago and didn’t have too great of an experience with those could that be a side effect of this? Really hoping this just goes away cause when it hits, it sucks! Thanks!
 
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Fun fact, the psychoactive ingredient in magic mushrooms is called psilocybin and the human Pineal gland can produce a chemical called Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) which is very similar. The only thing that's stops us from walking around tripping all day is an enzyme produced by the liver called Monoamine Oxidase (MAO) that breaks down the DMT to safe levels.

During my psychosis my Pineal gland must have been overproducing DMT as it was like I was tripping without even taking anything, I've tried mushrooms and LSD in the past so knew the effects.

But in your case I don't believe it was the mushrooms that is causing your anxiety/panic episodes, it is most likely an imbalance in Serotonin or Dopamine just like you think.

I'd go to my GP first and ask for a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and see if that works, a low dose should do and trial it for 6 weeks or so as it takes 4-6 weeks to fully get into your system.

If you don't want to see your GP or they won't give them to you there are herbal supplements that can act as an SSRI like Licorice Root which I've been taking for years now. But there are others besides Licorice Root and you will probably want to do your own research into herbal SSRI's just like I did.

I wish you all the best, take care.
 
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Fun fact, the psychoactive ingredient in magic mushrooms is called psilocybin and the human Pineal gland can produce a chemical called Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) which is very similar. The only thing that's stops us from walking around tripping all day is an enzyme produced by the liver called Monoamine Oxidase (MAO) that breaks down the DMT to safe levels.

During my psychosis my Pineal gland must have been overproducing DMT as it was like I was tripping without even taking anything, I've tried mushrooms and LSD in the past so knew the effects.

But in your case I don't believe it was the mushrooms that is causing your anxiety/panic episodes, it is most likely an imbalance in Serotonin or Dopamine just like you think.

I'd go to my GP first and ask for a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor (SSRI) and see if that works, a low dose should do and trial it for 6 weeks or so as it takes 4-6 weeks to fully get into your system.

If you don't want to see your GP or they won't give them to you there are herbal supplements that can act as an SSRI like Licorice Root which I've been taking for years now. But there are others besides Licorice Root and you will probably want to do your own research into herbal SSRI's just like I did.

I wish you all the best, take care.
What do you think caused me to suddenly have an issue with serotonin/dopamine issue? I've never had an issue in the past.
 
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And I never had an issue with psychosis or schizophrenia before the age of 36.

The truth is doctors and psychologists are pretty much in the dark as much as we are.
 
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And I never had an issue with psychosis or schizophrenia before the age of 36.

The truth is doctors and psychologists are pretty much in the dark as much as we are.
I'm also in college and binge drink pretty heavily, sometimes 3-4 times a week to the point of blacking out. Could this be effecting my serotonin levels?
 
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That'll send your neurotransmitters through the roof, if you can I'd cut down on the drink and see if that helps first.
 
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How long do you think I need to be off of it until I start to feel normal? Is alcohol really something that can cause this?
 
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I can identify quite a lot with this.

First of all, I took magic mushrooms for a period way back in the 1980s and after one particularly bad experience following an indifferent one, I never went near them again.

I have also experienced exhilarating highs as well as panic attacks when stone cold sober but also after drinking heavily the previous evening so find the comments here very useful. My panic attacks have also tended to come after significant periods of agorophobia and mostly combined with hyperactivity or having to rush under pressure or go out when I simply don't feel up to it.

Finally, I would like to add that since I cut my alcohol intake down gradually (which is the recommended safe way) and now quite considerably, the panic attacks and rushes have also diminished noticeably but it did take some time for me to become aware of the difference as I was more concentrated on the alcohol levels per se after finding out I had some minor liver damage. At the same time, starting around 4 years ago, I increased my exercise with a moderate regime of three home workouts a week (Rowing, Bike and some aerobics) lasting 45-60mins with various light exercise spread out in the days in between with the occasional complete rest day. On top of that but now firstly, I have been doing circulation exercises pretty much everyday for the last four months which are specifically for my varicose veins but have also helped more generally too.

Last week I had to go into hospital for a hernia exacerbated by the rowing which has left me advised against exercise beyond stretching and walking which could be the case for around six weeks hence all this has crept in to my mind.

I hope this is of some help but good luck anyway regardless. Like I mentioned above, cutting alcohol levels drastically can backfire, I learned this personally and had been advised to stop immediately! As NWiddi says trying to cut down...you should see any difference although this might not be immediate nor obvious. This could begin with finding something else to do on one of your regular drinking nights.
 
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I can identify quite a lot with this.

First of all, I took magic mushrooms for a period way back in the 1980s and after one particularly bad experience following an indifferent one, I never went near them again.

I have also experienced exhilarating highs as well as panic attacks when stone cold sober but also after drinking heavily the previous evening so find the comments here very useful. My panic attacks have also tended to come after significant periods of agorophobia and mostly combined with hyperactivity or having to rush under pressure or go out when I simply don't feel up to it.

Finally, I would like to add that since I cut my alcohol intake down gradually (which is the recommended safe way) and now quite considerably, the panic attacks and rushes have also diminished noticeably but it did take some time for me to become aware of the difference as I was more concentrated on the alcohol levels per se after finding out I had some minor liver damage. At the same time, starting around 4 years ago, I increased my exercise with a moderate regime of three home workouts a week (Rowing, Bike and some aerobics) lasting 45-60mins with various light exercise spread out in the days in between with the occasional complete rest day. On top of that but now firstly, I have been doing circulation exercises pretty much everyday for the last four months which are specifically for my varicose veins but have also helped more generally too.

Last week I had to go into hospital for a hernia exacerbated by the rowing which has left me advised against exercise beyond stretching and walking which could be the case for around six weeks hence all this has crept in to my mind.

I hope this is of some help but good luck anyway regardless. Like I mentioned above, cutting alcohol levels drastically can backfire, I learned this personally and had been advised to stop immediately! As NWiddi says trying to cut down...you should see any difference although this might not be immediate nor obvious. This could begin with finding something else to do on one of your regular drinking nights.
Thanks for the response! It doesn't really even feel like what I have is normal anxiety. It is like just a rush of shittyness and all the serotonin in my brain is just gone, I feel like there is no where to run and no way to fix it until it just ends for no apparent reason. It comes on randomly and is only severe maybe once every week, but when it hits it is one of the worst things I've ever experienced. And then a couple hours later I'll be fine and then I'll be normal for a couple days and then it returns. Sometimes it's so bad I just want to cry. I honestly don't even know what I would tell my doctor even if I went in, he'd probably just chalk it up to anxiety and try and put me on some pills. What do you guys think?
 
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Have you ever been diagnosed with bipolar disorder (manic depression)?
 
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Have you ever been diagnosed with bipolar disorder (manic depression)?
No I have not but it does seem to go in swings. Some days are great some days suck really, really bad.
 
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I would definitely stop or limit the alcohol as alcohol is a depressant, and can effect how you react to serotonin. Some foods are good at helping us make feel good chemicals - a square of dark chocolate for example.
 
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