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UK government in trouble with UN over disability rights

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Nice one :)

I hope they get a really, really good grilling - and are proper worked over by the UN.

Yer never know, it might embarrass the sheer holy crap out of them that much, some revisions to policy might be considered and made.

But I'm not holding my breath, cos it is a universally appreciated and understood, yet rarely acknowledged fact in government circles, that tossers are indeed tossers :meanie:
 
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I don't know if it will make any difference to be honest. What I find disturbing is that along with Britain, France is on the list too. It's supposed to be a socialist country. You know, for social justice and wealth redistribution. I wouldn't have thought a socialist country would treat their disadvantaged people that badly. It just shows you that I put too much faith in socialist ideology. Maybe they are only socialist in name and not in practice, a bit like China is Communist in name and capitalist in economy. I can understand a neoliberal country on the list but not France.

Anyhow I hope some good comes of it but I'm not waiting for a revolution yet. Unfortunately most people don't give a shit and the Tories know it. :mad:
 
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i don't know there were those strikes in france recently about labour reforms, the people pushing it through weren't socialists in they're actions
 
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I know. They're not exactly left wing in their actions. I am disappointed. It's a bit like the SNP. They're claim they're socialist but they're more right wing in some of their actions. They look after the middle classes. It's about time a party thought of the working class for a change. And us lot. The best chance of that is with Jeremy Corbyn. A real socialist with values and principles. I love him.
 
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I joined the Labour Party because of jeremy Corbyn. But we need the European Court to push hard on this for us. This government is all about austerity no matter what and it doesn't work.
 
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I'm not sure that there has ever been a socialist country, only those that deem themselves socialist - and usually only in the estimation of their rulers, sitting pretty at the top.

Most former Eastern Bloc countries were characterized by State Control, and did NOT have anything like significant democratic input from the general populace. I don't know whether it's best to describe these countries as deformed workers states with a bureaucracy, or state-capitalist. But I do know they were not socialist.

France isn't too bad on the whole. It does have extensive workers rights enshrined in its truly wonderful Code Du Travail. And if business and government take the piss too much over there, then out come all manner of civil shenanigans: tractors mounting blockades etc etc.

But even France is not properly socialist. Like many European states, it operates a social policy system best described as welfare capitalist. Some of the worst excesses of business are ameliorated and tamed, but it's far from an Ideal :)
 
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I'm not sure that there has ever been a socialist country, only those that deem themselves socialist - and usually only in the estimation of their rulers, sitting pretty at the top.

Most former Eastern Bloc countries were characterized by State Control, and did NOT have anything like significant democratic input from the general populace. I don't know whether it's best to describe these countries as deformed workers states with a bureaucracy, or state-capitalist. But I do know they were not socialist.
I think state capitalist is the best way to describe them. They were supposed to be communist, but they got stuck at the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' bit. Either they never intended to relinquish their new found power right from the start of them seizing it, or they were corrupted by the power and didn't want to give it up. That's not socialism. It certainly isn't how communism is meant to be either. It doesn't seem to ever have worked on a large scale. If you want it to work at all, it seems to be best in a small group. I think people find the power they have acquired too addictive and decide to keep it all for themselves. It's sad because it's a good idea but we seem to mess it up every time. But capitalism needs to change or be completely got rid of or we are all heading for economic, environmental and personal chaos.
 
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