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Does anyone know of any non-med related treatments for Bipolar Disorder symptoms? I don't take meds as they ratehr diaggree with me/ don't work but I could really do witha good night's sleep sometime soon!
 
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Didn't that famous bipolar guy do a programes about treatments and some were on alternatives, i think alternatives for schitsoprenia my illness are harder to find, maybe some will disagree

Stephen Fry i remember now, made it quite fashionable for a bit, hollywood stars were saying they had it, haven't seen one say they've got schitsoprenia
 
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yeah it does seem a bit of a 'fashion' sometimes to declare mental health problems. Mind there was a really good documentary on bipolar disorder and schitzophrenia without meds on channel 4 earlier in the year (I think it was called the doctor who hears voices). Might be worth checking out?
 
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Does anyone know of any non-med related treatments for Bipolar Disorder symptoms? I don't take meds as they ratehr diaggree with me/ don't work but I could really do witha good night's sleep sometime soon!
Beyond the basics - Good diet, exercise, relaxation, manage stress, & generally looking after ourselves. Support groups can be good; check the main MIND & Rethink web sites for local support services. Meditation techniques I think can be of good assistance, with practise. Certain psychological assistance is beneficial, which can mean simply good relationships & informal social support. If access to a Good counsellor, Jungian therapist, or anyone who is sympathetic & understanding to the issues involved, is possible; then this also can be of great assistance. I find herbal sleep aids beneficial, but sometimes have needed something stronger. Here are a couple of sites with some good information on "alternatives".

http://www.mindfreedom.org/

http://theicarusproject.net/

& a very good guide on the Icarus site;

http://theicarusproject.net/alterna...duction-guide-to-coming-off-psychiatric-drugs

Hope that helps.

From a lay man's perspective & within my own experience of 2 decades of dealing with stuff & being through the MH system, I fail to see any major or significant distinctions between the main umbrella terms. Of course we are all individual & should be treated as such. What I mean is that in my own life I have had many different diagnoses, I have known others to have the same changing diagnoses, & when in hospital & chatting to people, it does appear the same general symptoms are operating at the core of the "illness" whether the label be manic depression, (paranoid) &/or Schizophrenia, major depression (with psychotic features, PTSD or psychosis. I can fully identify with the symptoms of a manic depressive, & that label has been explored from time to time; it was 8 years before any definite label was applied, before then was - drug induced psychosis, psychotic depression, the resurfacing of an undiagnosed psychotic illness, then schizophrenia, then paranoid schizophrenia, different psychiatrists have questioned this diagnosis over the past 10 years, some thinking I have something more in line with schizo affective disorder; among other things. Presently; the last psychiatrist said I had recovered to a degree & didn't think I was schizophrenic. It is obviously not a complete recovery as I am dependant on meds.

Sorry to ramble off on one there, I was thinking out loud. Maybe I should start another thread exploring peoples changing diagnoses. I admire your plans to try a med free recovery, & I wish you all the best.
 
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No that's helpful and I love ramblign threads :)

I was pretty certain I was manic depressive from the off set (It runs in my family and well I'm apparently a walking text book case minus the psychosis/ hallucinations) however it did take two major nervous breakdowns and seeign a consultant psych to geta proper diagnosis (before that thery'd toyed with the utterly inappropriate borderline personaility label and the just generic depresison label) I had an eating disorder for well over 12 years (age 7 - 19) and whilst being in 'recovery' I still have some slightly ocd traits related to that.

I've been tried on various meds (however I refuse point blank to try lithium) and I'm largely happy and so on. I find being manic or depressed is not a matetr of happy and sad more a relation to how tired or not tired or how buzzing and how not buzzing I am; how emotionally vulnerable or not. I have a cack sleepign pattern no matetr what and I find sleep deprivation is always likly to exacerabte any mental health symptoms and I want to get that under contriol however sleepign meds don;t touch me (I currently just put familiar audio books/ radio plays on at night which helps) but I could do with soem good alternative non med related ideas for getting to sleep. i've found meditation just doesn't work for helping me sleep and it's more than a tad frustrating at the moment.

I work odd-ish hours at work which is suspect doesn;t help too much :)
 
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I have a cack sleepign pattern no matetr what and I find sleep deprivation is always likly to exacerabte any mental health symptoms and I want to get that under contriol however sleepign meds don;t touch me (I currently just put familiar audio books/ radio plays on at night which helps) but I could do with soem good alternative non med related ideas for getting to sleep. i've found meditation just doesn't work for helping me sleep and it's more than a tad frustrating at the moment.

I work odd-ish hours at work which is suspect doesn;t help too much :)
I have a poor sleep routine too. I have had a psychiatric nurse explain that what my "condition" sounds most like is in actual fact a sleep disorder. Every period of illness has coincided with severe sleep deprivation. It is something I struggle a lot with too. I am asleep around 3-4am most nights & up between 6-12am, usually around 10am I am awake, approx 6 hours on average a night, which is ok. When I am not sleeping enough at night, I try to get sleep where & when I can. I like afternoon naps when the mood takes me. When ill I don't sleep, quite literally.
 
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funny that y'all mention it, ive thought my only real problem was lack of sleep for a long time. i havent slept more than 2 hours straight without chemical help for 15 years.
 
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funny that y'all mention it, ive thought my only real problem was lack of sleep for a long time. i havent slept more than 2 hours straight without chemical help for 15 years.
It's quite possible a lack of sleep was one of the real causes that predisposed you to "problems". A lot of this is chicken & egg. But surely it is more rational to say that due to certain stresses in my life & social circumstances in my individual experience; lead to a psychological & emotional reaction to what I was actually experiencing in a very real & tangible sense, & my "condition" has its roots in very objective causes. Obviously my brain chemicals went awry as a secondary result. Or is it more rational to say, as much of the orthodox has tended to; that due to an unknown genetic predisposition I awoke one morning & the chemicals in my brain were fried? I know what makes more sense to me.
 
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Hello,
my brother is refusing medications. Unfortunately he also does not acknowledge his condition.
So I'm looking into alternatives to meds.(not that he would take supplements either:so strictly through diet).

The first link is to a good site that has extensive list of herbs and supplements but does not give any suggestion for bipolar or schizophrenia. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/depression-000047.htm

the next link is to a site which has good dietary guides. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=84

my final two links do address both bipolar and schizophrenia. I have chosen to show a page on pasiflora incarnata, because there are some studies that indicate its uses for insomnia,drug withdrawal and even for reducing psicosis but I don't know how valid these studies are.
http://www.lifewatch-eap.com/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=11872&cn=15

http://www.mhcdinfo.org/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=11883&cn=15
 
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Thanks for the links DNA. Personally I have found talking with people the best therapy, but I would consider there being multiple differing reasons for mental ill health & some do respond very well to dietary considerations.
 
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