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I haven't forgotten any of what you've written in the first paragraph... indeed, on top of that I also recall Rachel Reeves proclaiming that she intended to be as hard on benefit claimants as the Tories when she was Shadow Secretary for Work and Pensions, and Harriet Harman helping the Conservatives push the Welfare Bill through when she was interim party leader.

As such, I was done with Labour until Corbyn became leader... this subject is right at the heart of why I don't have much time for so-called Labour 'centrists' (the other factor being the way they just can't seem to fully wean themselves off of Thatcherism), because that sort of attitude seems pretty right-wing to me (centre-right at best). And they genuinely couldn't fathom why the Labour left turned against them...

For all that though, I would take even the most 'centrist' Labour government over any Conservative one. But that's me...

Care in the Community was very much Thatcherite in the sense that it corresponded perfectly with two of her central tenets - to sell off physical public assets wherever possible (i.e. the old hospitals and the considerable grounds that many of them were on), and to force 'independence' on people.

People love to repeat Thatcher's comment about the problem with socialism being that you run out of other people's money. However, there's a parallel problem with Thatcherism that, conveniently, has no such traction in the public mind - that you run out of public assets to flog off at discount rates. And North Sea oil revenue to pay for all the unemployed that were deliberately created to keep inflation down.
Care in the Community was very much Thatcherite in the sense that it corresponded perfectly with two of her central tenets - to sell off physical public assets wherever possible (i.e. the old hospitals and the considerable grounds that many of them were on), and to force 'independence' on people

And if you were a care in the community patient at the start of care in the community labour and socialists took it out on you, they were really nasty, they still say if you come to them for help and support, he would be better off in hospital, it's not my job
 
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talking about work and recovery health workers push it to motivate you to do things for yourself making you nearer the grael of closing your case, they don't actually expect you to work and i can vouch if you work in they're office they'll be the first to say your unfit for work

it's about saving care resources and money as my brother in a wheelchair said once they've got you out of bed and in a wheelchair they don't want to know, but oh yes they'd have used recovery to help motivate him out of that bed
 
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Staff Note:

Please could people not refer to people as "black" or "gay" etc if its not relevant to who or what they are. Could people also report a post and not answer on the thread. Thank you
 
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CERTAIN THINGS ARE RELEVANT THEY EFFECT PEOPLES EXPERIENCE OF LIFE, I'VE NOTICED THE SAME PEOPLE WHO GO ON ABOUT SUCH THINGS BEEN WRONG ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING AN ISSUE OF IT
 
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i was exploring who i was going to vote for and i have to say i have a certain sympathy for the right they can't stand this political correctness any more than i can
 
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meh dont worry about it petal.

I only like independence because

1 I am autistic and Neuortypicals don't understand it
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2 I like my freedom (personality wise)
 
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Hi Jess .
It's awful yes.
I'm sorry you had this happen too .
Some cruel people out there
Too many....

But then I can be bit of a softy and a humanitarian...

To the OP

Sorry you are going through this, it sounds like bum advice but try to ignore them.

You are more precious than you think
 
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meh dont worry about it petal.

I only like independence because

1 I am autistic and Neuortypicals don't understand it
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2 I like my freedom (personality wise)
i wonder how independent you really are whether you have family friends etc to be there for you
 
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well i didn't mean to vote labour but the labour box got mysteriously ticked automatic writing i don't know, i voted for one co operative labour candidate because he was interested in disability the rest liberal and shaun bailey my second choice for london mayor with liberal my first, i also voted green in the ballot that is a form of proportional representation
 

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