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Nothing wrong with saying gay, although I felt it was a little irrelevant. It's ok though, I'm an out bisexual man so I'll give you a LGBTQ pass on it 🤣
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I saw that on facebook yesterday

The thing is, people that post something that offends others, they probably don't even read the replies or care what others say.

I try to keep that in mind when i read anything that offends me. We have to choose our battles don't we.

I am off topic, sorry, it just reminded me of that post.
 
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I don't believe that. I think character is linked to policy. I think it is important to judge character more than specifics. Policy, it is all very similar, each party they have to say the same stuff over and over. I trust him, i don't think he is perfect but i do think he is doing a good job.

Plenty of past prime ministers have done much worse than doing a few naughty things. Blair, he made some very stupid decisions. I never liked him either.
He's literally given billions of our money in contracts to his buddies for things that either didn't work or never materialised. He's been caught lying time and again. He's literally only leading the party because of his charm, drill down even just a little bit and you can see what this government wants to do.

And it does not include taking proper care of people like us.
 
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He's literally given billions of our money in contracts to his buddies for things that either didn't work or never materialised. He's been caught lying time and again. He's literally only leading the party because of his charm, drill down even just a little bit and you can see what this government wants to do.

And it does not include taking proper care of people like us.
He has done so much good too

All of them make bad decisions, but overall, i like him. I trust him and feel safe in his decisions on the big things, the important things.
 
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I saw that on facebook yesterday
But that *is* offensive. It's specifically designed to belittle or worse an entire section of society. It's done in such a way to appear harmless but it isn't. Our community has fought hard for any recognition, let alone equal rights, and that just handwaves it all away.
 
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Yeah, I expect these three post will be deleted and I'll get another telling off. Maybe a ban, idk.

They shouldn't moderate you if you use the term POC, that's person or people of colour. I'm surprised you were moderated for saying black, it's not usually regarded as an offensive term unless the context is racist or offensive.
I cannot edit posts and don't understand all of the specific rules, but i know people behind the scenes work very hard to keep the forum a safe place and they don't get paid anything to do it :)
 
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But that *is* offensive. It's specifically designed to belittle or worse an entire section of society. It's done in such a way to appear harmless but it isn't. Our community has fought hard for any recognition, let alone equal rights, and that just handwaves it all away.
It is offensive to many people.
There is so much that can offend though.
I am working hard not to bite when people say something that upsets me but it is very hard.
There are huge rows on my local bus route for example.
Maybe it depends on the day how someone feels, if they have had a bad day.

The issue of benefits is a hot topic on the bus. Older people criticising the younger often. The younger start shouting
 
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But that *is* offensive. It's specifically designed to belittle or worse an entire section of society. It's done in such a way to appear harmless but it isn't. Our community has fought hard for any recognition, let alone equal rights, and that just handwaves it all away.
So, in terms of mental health and benefits, you are clearly smart and know a lot about the detail which i am not good at. Who has done the best for us? Who has done the worst?

Pritti Patel made me nervous when she was in charge.

Who would a person on benefits vote for?
 
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I dislike the way Boris seems to get a free pass from a lot of people for his bad behaviour because they like him and hence is popular. He is in a serious position. Likeability and doing some things well in a powerful job like prime minister isn't good enough in my opinion. Neither is the comparing to well he is better than such such was. Some people were very bad prime ministers so pretty hard not to be better than them.

But yes I acknowledge people win elections often due to people liking them.
 
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Sorry everybody, i should be doing my PIP form and it is stressing me at the moment.

Have a nice evening and good sleep.
 
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Sorry everybody, i should be doing my PIP form and it is stressing me at the moment.

Have a nice evening and good sleep.

Sorry Tawny. They are very stressful and often upsetting to fill in. Hope you are okay :hug1:

Edited to Add: I think to be fair I just don't like politicians 😂
 
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He has done so much good too

All of them make bad decisions, but overall, i like him. I trust him and feel safe in his decisions on the big things, the important things.
What good has he done specifically?

His party have basically embezzled billions to pass into their friends and party donors. They have passed laws drastically limiting our rights to peaceful protest. They intend to sell off the NHS to the Americans and that directly affects all of us. He's lied. I could go on.

And people give them a pass because Boris looks like a messy haired geography teacher and gives good soundbites.

Priti Patel is hideous. She literally pushed through laws making it legal for the police to violently break up peaceful demonstrations and arrest peaceful protesters.

Michael Gove would destroy the welfare state in a heartbeat. The only reason this hasn't started is Covid.

Boris (see, he's so charming we're all on first name terms with him) literally said he'd rather let the bodies pile in their thousands than disrupt the economy again. If you can't see a problem with that then idk what else to say.

You can go online and literally see what each individual MP voted for in the commons. Go and check what each Tory MP voted for and against, I beg you. They all voted against things designed to help regular folk like us and for helping the rich get richer. It's all there in the public record.

But no, keep voting for the monsters because one of their heads is quite funny and disarming.
 
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Sorry everybody, i should be doing my PIP form and it is stressing me at the moment.

Have a nice evening and good sleep.
a lot of things are stressing me as well, ffi was thinking about how in the past you could get into trouble here for been pro med, i just think my duigs cost a pound a pill decades ago now they're out of patent 35 a week is 35 pound how much psychotherapy could you buy enough to keep you out of trouble, i doubt it, psychiatrists also claim psychotherapy isn;t effective, they would say that methinks

just confused and taking meds is catching up on me in old age

remember since the forum was taken over by time to change the anti meds lot has disapeared or maybe they've come to a sticky end claiming they're not ill with a dwp that requires proof of sickness if you can't work
 
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Yeah, meds are cheap compared to talking therapy at least in the short term. I can't be completely free of them atm or I end up in hospital lol, but I try to minimise because of my decades of drug misuse. Saying that they've just upped mine slightly cos I've been going downhill recently.

Nothing against meds, it's literally a personal thing because I've fought addictions many times over the years
 
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I don't get too involved in details, i just judge character based on everything i have seen and heard over time. I like Boris, I don't like Keir Starmer. I don't like his personality and i don't like the way he operates. It wouldn't matter if he was the man who worked in the corner shop, i still wouldn't like him. Bad vibes. He isn't very nice in my opinion.

Just like i don't like Nicola Sturgeon's personality. She doesn't seem very nice, after have watched her over time. I like her more than Starmer though.

I had bad feelings about Corbyn. I wouldn't want to have coffee with him. I'd have coffee with Diane Abbot but she would probably irritate me now and then.

I have a feeling the whole decorating the flat issue has much to do with Carrie Symonds. Dominic Cummings did he call her a princess? Some nasty phrase. I never liked him either, just a bad feeling, he seems to me to be a bit of a bitch. It is just character judging. I think he was probably right to say that about Carrie though ;) i can imagine they had some massive rows and were close to pulling each other's hair. If Cummings had hair anyway :)
Fair enough... in all honesty I perceive Starmer to be somewhat insipid, but a decent enough guy; I genuinely haven't seen what you see. As to the PM, I personally feel that what he shows the public is an act... it's not him, so to me it's irrelevant how likeable that persona is.

I liked Corbyn and Corbynism, and I believe that the hatchet job done on him by the media was a disgrace... but it showed how much he scared the shit out of the elite who own the newspapers. I remember when he first became Labour leader and the media focused on his personal presentation, saying he didn't look smart enough and couldn't be PM simply because of how he dressed, yet Johnson goes around with what literally looks like a bird's nest on top of his head, and tends to... shamble, I'd call it... instead of walking, but this is apparently perfectly 'statesmanlike' despite the overall effect being much like how I'd imagine the bloody Honey Monster in a suit! The media's hypocricy here is breathtaking, but useful in that it perfectly encompasses how easy a ride Tory politicians get compared to Labour ones (see also Ed Miliband vs. the bacon sandwich).

Apparently, Dominic Cummings's nickname for Carrie Symonds was 'Princess Nut Nut'... he and his Downing St. set even managed to distil it into emojis for the purposes of text messages (one 'princess' emoji followed by two unshelled nuts). All I'll say about her is that she certainly doesn't come across very well in what I've read about the infamous flat redecoration, allegedly demanding £900 per roll wallpaper because she just couldn't live in the 'John Lewis nightmare' that Theresa May had vacated.

Much as I don't like Dominic Cummings, if that's true then I'd say the 'Princess' part of his nickname for Ms. Symonds was well earned.
 
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and labour are better to people on benefits i assume, it was labour that started the welfare reforms remember pournelle labour dwp ministe r,said he was going to stigmatise those on benefits, i remember ian duncan smith when he was appointed coming out with some right wing rant then pointing out he was quoting labour

i'm old enough also to remember labour considering care in the community a thatcherite plot and god help you if you got some labour public servant if you asked for help, told to contact mental health services, that only stopped with the disability discrimination act,
I haven't forgotten any of what you've written in the first paragraph... indeed, on top of that I also recall Rachel Reeves proclaiming that she intended to be as hard on benefit claimants as the Tories when she was Shadow Secretary for Work and Pensions, and Harriet Harman helping the Conservatives push the Welfare Bill through when she was interim party leader.

As such, I was done with Labour until Corbyn became leader... this subject is right at the heart of why I don't have much time for so-called Labour 'centrists' (the other factor being the way they just can't seem to fully wean themselves off of Thatcherism), because that sort of attitude seems pretty right-wing to me (centre-right at best). And they genuinely couldn't fathom why the Labour left turned against them...

For all that though, I would take even the most 'centrist' Labour government over any Conservative one. But that's me...

Care in the Community was very much Thatcherite in the sense that it corresponded perfectly with two of her central tenets - to sell off physical public assets wherever possible (i.e. the old hospitals and the considerable grounds that many of them were on), and to force 'independence' on people.

People love to repeat Thatcher's comment about the problem with socialism being that you run out of other people's money. However, there's a parallel problem with Thatcherism that, conveniently, has no such traction in the public mind - that you run out of public assets to flog off at discount rates. And North Sea oil revenue to pay for all the unemployed that were deliberately created to keep inflation down.
 

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