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I've used quite an obtuse title to the thread so as to avoid limiting what can be discussed herein. I think primarily we will consider that anything people recount from their personal experience appeared at the time as real. To try and dispute whether or not it was or is objectively true misses the point somewhat. If a person percieves something as a reality, then his mind processes it as such. No matter how much third parties, families, friends, doctors, may try to convince you of their subjective reality, which they percieve is a shared objective reality, as a person living through the experience it does not appear as assistance. In fact the shared subjective reality (posing as objective truth) of 'norms' can appear as conspiracy. This may actual end up magnifying fear and paranoia, in the end doing the exact opposite of stated intentions, whether that be familial concern, or supposéd health professional care.
 
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I have really started to look into this psychology lark after I did a personality test and what has happened to me recently. The Psychologist I saw thinks half jokingly that I am heading for a Phd. Well information is a good thing. My mother reckons too much knowledge is harmful. Depends how you use it eh?

All I can think about is that I have entered the domain of tin foil hat land. Sorry to put it like that. I was electromagnetically hit - the house and me. The only place I got a rest from it was the loft. Now that tells me that it was in the ground floor and first floor - but not the loft? why not

My introduction to all this was being chased - cars passing at high speeds, past me over and over. As soon as one left a new one joined. This was at night and during the day. I was forced to leave the house after I was vibrating all over and then I was in all what I describe as "fair gamed"

I have a computer that does strange things and phone calls that are cut short. All my phone calls via phone boxes to home were free? We had a high level of light bulbs blowing too in the house. A cat who decided that after ten years of seeing the sofa, only of late has attacked it. She is very sensitive. Their hearing supercedes ours.

Does this mean that now all I can do is become an activist?

There are of course in the real world possible explanations for all this. It could be a psychosis - aural and tactile explanations amount to hallucinations. I don't find it difficult retelling - the possibility of coincidences which number in a range of different occourances could become distorted which might actually make the problem worse. I have to sometimes remind people of who I am in case they think I am lying. I get the classic one -"well you never told me that before". I can only tell you what I can in the time I have. The events and content never change.

I would hate to think others were lying when they tell their story or exaggerate. Mind you I have no evidence of that so will leave that one alone. I remind those who I tell what kick do I get to hurt the ones I love and know they love me. This brings them into focus somewhat.

This is because they know me. Problems start when they don't know you. I do belive people have agendas that are not in your best interest. This I am afraid is called being suspicious. Another part of the psychoisis bag.

It concerns me that the odds of psychosis are great since the uk cmht are ignorant about electromagnetic weapons or in on it. Unless you have researched it like a demon like I have and have ooddles of info - you cannot stick up on any defence. I suggest if you are targetted get educated fast. I am aware that I could get called grandiose for being a know it all too or for being followed around.

The reason I suggest this is because it works for me. I have people believe. I also looked up delusional, psychosis, and paranoia. The odds of this being psychosis are great because there is no other plausable explanation. I have had a member of the cmht dignose me from a distance. No meet - just you have a frame of ref disorder? They have never met me.......

I have noted that this is an odd psychosis if it gets labelled as that. Also with that in mind - the likelyhood of me getting it in my 40's is also very rare. I checked it out via some British abstracts - the most prevalent age of this is 15-20. Very rare with no background in it at 40. So two odd circumstances cannot in my book add up. It needs investigating further.

I know it will be difficult to verify what people report and it sounds like a textbook case of it. I try to leave out alien abductions. CIA, government conspiricies, helicopters (even though the latter that was in my experience). It makes it sound well even more bizarre.

It means you need to filter and just stick to facts - I also back it up with the history of Tavistock Institute and the fact that human experimentation has and does take place. Find articles that relate to your cause from the country you are in this makes it even more believable. I found quite a few. I have to assume they are true, because I have researched widely - not conspiracy pages - but academic abstracts and have phoned people up and chatted. Professor Kevin Warwick, Professor Johnjoe, the surveillance Society and countless others Scientists for Global Responsibility etc etc relating to what I believe is technology is my particular problem

Psychosis and mental illness - whats the link then? Well be aware that there are different models of schizophrenia. Psychosis are the symptoms - not the illness label itself.

A break from reality is what a psychosis is - beliefs and hallucinations that are irrational. I was afraid of this one sufferers have a great sense of self importance this is what grandiose is. I am the opposite of grandiose. But because I sat quietly and did not join in with others whilst in the local mental unit and did not engage in silly conversations etc etc I challenged the p-doc and got away with a medication free two weeks? He had not heard of my arguements about drugging and these were in abstracts which he should have read

People have and can experience psychosis when they are bi-polar too.
You are either schizophrenic or not, schizophrenia is when you find it difficult to organise your thoughts into a managable order, depression and your expressions are impaired.

I don't suffer from that at all - I have masses of insight and have no problem with anything with the functioning of my brain. However I have body pain and am cause stalked

I know and have heard of many TI's that do not have treatment and spiral downwards due to the ongoing harassment making their lives hell. I see that my behaviour was bizarre and erratic so have insight. I was manipulated - it is pure and simple

Poor decision making has yet to hit - but with the addition of gang stalking it could be difficult to work. More evidence of being ill. Difficult isn't it. I have a full-time job, cause/gang stalking can control the population to stop giving you a job....

I have yet to fully explain to anyone the full body effects and they are many. The fact that the gang stalking is happening with no evidence and having visited the local mental institution for a brief visit means that the local police will probably order an investigation into me rather than the stalking. Difficult one. I am only explaining what are the facts for many. Am I delusional - NO I am not. It is a set up.

I guess that there are many voice hearers out there who believe and are led to believe they are ill. They just don't know the facts.

The labelling of schizophrenia and the exhibition of targetted individuals also having these symptoms makes me think it needs further investigation. Also this concept of genes and an imbalance of chemicals could be a cause. Do your research please. Being armed is good.

Dorothy Rowe - a clinical psychologist in the Uk - Also Associate of the Royal College of Psychiatrists and now Emeritus. Does not believe that the term "Chemical Imbalance" exists - psychiatrists changed their minds in Feb 2007 and they are saying that they now don't have the complete answer. Thw word brain systems? no neuroscientist talks about brain systems apparently. Alot of them think black was white too, They just don't have the scientific evidence. It is what I think Pseudo-Science!! They sound so fully of authority when they tell you what they think. Always ask where and how they came up with that judgement they are coming up with. Check it out

I believe that targetted individuals will get and have experienced ill treatment. It is part of the course or journey. I had a series of what I call human brighting experiences. I had a torch shone in my face and the light left on in the coridoor all night. I checked this out along the other rooms and mine was the only one which was on. I had to ask a few times for it to be turned off.

I don't feel fearful now as time has gone on. Can't decide if that is a result of subliminal messaging through the hissing I get. I try to sleep well and keep it normal. Many people are electronically hypnotised and speak of strange dreams, projected images (holograms), body pain (cymatics)

The pain comes from the torture not the gang stalking. I am probably absolutly nuts- but do not think so because of the background of events leading up to where I am now. I have been looking for someone to take me on at the Maudsley. This could backfire big time. I did not find one person who was prepared to go the way along with me....

I still think that loads of things argue against the labeling of schizophrenia and psychosis - the emerging documents for one arguing for the rights of people and the links made with schizophrenia. The fact there is more in the news and it is being made public helps. Also the other two things for me particularly don't ring true. Age and not true psychosis

Chronic bad luck follow targetted individuals.

I don't think that targetted individuals have much problem communicating. I don't. I don't fly off into multiple tangents and can hold an intellectual conversation.

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The other model for schizophrenic is schizotype - so you range from normal to schizophrenic. Remember too that you need to be aware that the mental health specialist will have their own view on their practice. So they may have a particular bias - be prepared for it. Read and read - challenge their hypothesis.

Be prepared for a lot of disagreements. Be aware that any diagnosis has to be given to you in writing. This has not happened to me. Its all very underhand.

Just be aware of what you say and how you act. Too much talking can damage you. Too little also. To get the balance right all the time is impossible.

Alot of targetted individuals are very frustrated I know I am. People need to take targetted individuals seriously

You can't argue that weapons from countless research documents produce most of the effects reported by individuals. I have cross referenced a lot of stuff. Even I see that targetted individuals complain of bizarre stuff and know it too and struggle. Not forgetting I am new to all this. Only 11 months in.

I am going to have a damn good try to show that I am being targetted by machines that mimic mental illness. Yes it is far fetched- but now relating the four people who phoned me up to tell me the good news that I was going to be stalked and e-harassed. It is now not far fetched at all. I don't give up easily. Never have and never will.

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Something just occured to me, actually a reoccuring thought I had earlier today. I actually had a meeting with a well known professor of Psychiatry on Monday, and we covered something that is partly relevant to this thread. To summate I suppose it concerns the ontological paradigm within which people find themselves. For instance, currently 'we' (i.e. westerners in modernity) are in a post industrial technological era, thus the experiences designated 'delusional' often have subject matter related to that world view. Prior to this period, delusions often had reference to religious matter. Actually today in some cultures, including our own in some cases, this remains the case with people's 'delusions' being closely related to religion and/or spiritual beliefs. For instance a belief in a world unseen inhabited by angels and demons could figure prominately in a person's experience of reality...
 
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Perhaps you'd like to start in that most clichéd of places and take us through it step by step. Given that we are taking what you say as truth, there is no need to support your experiences with third parties. If you say you experienced something, you have. I for one am more interested in what you say happened than hearing about third parties (i.e. the four phonecalls) who aren't present...
 
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The four phone calls set this up, and without it can disjoint the view of the whole sordid affair, so it stays in - but also you discuss the spiritual. I have researched this angle as well and can see how the two began merged and seperated again. The two being - the concept of neuropsychology - the mind and machine. Parapsychology - I am not talking about ghosts, UFO's here as I do not believe there is such a thing. What I am talking about is this idea - of someone looking in - or projection in reverse. In technical terms we call it remote viewing, some people call it psi

I will explain if you speak to god - its ok - no problem. If god speaks to you - you verbalise you heard his voice - you are a nutbar.

I do not believe in angels or demons. What I believe in is that to do this to someone is demonic

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Some satanic groups use the occult concepts ie the spiritworld to attack us

Spiritworld? - for me the spiritworld is human built equipment, demons would have no power without human hosts.

The Tavistock Institute and other psychiatrists, neuroscientists etc set up the Cybernetics Intelligence group in 1942. This first meeting was in New York - there interests were about the above statement. Not forgetting we were in the middle of a World War. The Nazi Eugenics and human experimentation programme was in full-swing. Later to be developed and continued in America via Operation Paperclip - for which President Clinton apologised to all people caught up in the following programmes - cold war experiments....

If you think this might be spiritual - then look up the kundalini Awakening. If you compare e-harassment with the afore mentioned they are identical. The K A is a spiritual attack - with voices as part of the experience as well as body pain. This is what I mean - this is where the machine and spiritual hit in history. I can point who and where this happened with context.

Add psychiatry or psychology and we get another two names they are schizophrenia or psychosis. K A is associated with the later two points as well e- harassment
Esoteric influences are actually the basis of both. Metaphysical beliefs started this whole thing and you can see the beginings of psychology and life coaching - within the walls and bounderies of this. You have to touch on eastern religion to see it and how that is parallel to science. Of course I will give examples as we go to illustrate my points. If you want web-sites I can do that as well?


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Some satanic groups use the occult concepts ie the spiritworld to attack us

Spiritworld? - for me the spiritworld is human built equipment, demons would have no power without human hosts

The Tavistock Institute and other psychiatrists, neuroscientists etc set up the Cybernetics Intelligence group in 1942. This first meeting was in New York - there interests were about the above statement. Not forgetting we were in the middle of a World War. The Nazi Eugenics and human experimentation programme was in full-swing. Later to be developed and continued in America via Operation Paperclip - for which President Clinton apologised to all people caught up in the following programmes - cold war experiments....

If you think this might be spiritual - then look up the kundalini Awakening. If you compare e-harassment with the afore mentioned they are identical. The K A is a spiritual attack - with voices as part of the experience as well as body pain. This is what I mean - this is where the machine and spiritual hit in history. I can point who and where this happened with context.

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Interesting your idea of rising Kundalini as an attack, given the serpent rises internally from the base. I'd heard about periods of madness accompanying the rise of the serpent, in fact it's a feature, but surely not attack? Change of subjective reality? Sure. Attack? I'm not convinced.

I'm just finishing at work, so will come back to the thread with a more serious eye when I return. I guess one thing I might add is what criteria do you think your fulfill to justify targetting? I suppose, and related to that, who exactly do you think is targetting you? If we can get the 'Why?' and 'Who?' it might help...

(edited to add, I of course don't want names and addresses of the 'who?', just a rough idea who you think it might be...)
 
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implantation of the base of the spine - many victims account for lost time and when they come to they have excess energy which depending on their belief system. Either spiritual or technological they experience an attack. People just do not realise that K A and e-harassment are one and the same and believe that the metaphysical K A exists, it does but relative to e - harassment. All this stems around the Theosophical society - this relates to the medical profession as this is the basis of the medical profession. Do you know anything about Plato and the Hippocratic Oath? This relates to psychiatry and life coaching as I said....

One that is truly an attack. I will describe mine then.

I was delivering a course - a weekend one so that was the context. I was happy relaxed and very happy to be doing it. (Two weeks before I was seeing a coach who put me out in one of the last sessions.)

Back to the course - I went to bed and woke up in the middle of the night unable to see at all - I stumbled about and eventually got my sight back it was very distorted. I had severe pains all over my body and had pins and needles from head to toe. I was in agony. It was not like a heart attack- I have never had one. I felt as though I had been reversed to put it mildly and my insides were being gripped - it is since called from what I have discovered an internal shift. Both my feet were on fire and were vibrating. My head - well this was an external attack - I felt I was wearing a cardboard tube on my head and a channel of energy was beaming at me down this confined space. It was roaring and my ears were popping. I could feel the hairs in my ears just vibrating madly and all I wanted to do was itch them. I had severe sneezing. Ten to twenty sneezes at a time - my eyes were watering so much that I had a wet face. Now this lot together is an "attack" this is no hallucination. This is not part of the human condition. This was a hijack of my electrochemical system. My hands and feet were white and red as though I had a circulation problem. I was taken to casualty and they could find nothing wrong with me at all. Absolutely nothing. My eyes were severley bloodshot as a result - this was the evidence of the left over of the attack. Many victims report blood shot eyes....

Now that is an attack.......

why and who well - note coach. This needs explaining and this relates to the telephone calls

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Psychotronic & Demonic Torment-
Understanding the Attack and How to Thwart It

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/houndsofheavenoct91.shtml

Here's a good one. Its not often you hear demon and high electronic tech mentioned in the same breath, but I think it has interesting implications about the nature of electricity and knowing that gives some hope for consciousness as the ultimate astral shield.
 
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Let me know if I am going too fast for you. I mean that with all sincerity of course. I will stop here and please ask as many questions as you can. I want to hear about you too. Where do you fit in to this reality lark - relating this to your experiences

This reminds me of a TV car commercial. A couple is at a car dealer and they jump into a demo car and move it about six feet forward and say something like WOW that was great.

This was a joke being played by those on the other side of reality. You see, on our side, we are confined to the present moment. Those on the other side, span across all time. Thus the idea being expressed via the TV commercial, was that since this special couples minds were on the other side of reality, they had actually moved from one point, then across the entire universe, and then back to a position approximately 6 feet from where they started, and so they said WOW after experiencing a free trip across the entire universe, and across all time.

Now as far as mind control goes, since there are some crude electronic devices that can effect and monitor the mind these days, to those on the other side it is seen as an even better opportunity to torture people here in our world, and do so to immense degrees. All this they do while knowing that people in our world will just see these victims as nut-cases, and thus those on the other side can just keep on torturing plenty of victims thanks to the rest of mankind foolishly giving them the complete OK to do so.

Not only that, but due to the structure of reality, it is possible for those on the other side to keep these victims alive while subjecting them to degrees of torture that are far far far beyond that which is required to kill a person. This make the victims story even more unbelievable. Those on the other side therefore laugh big time. Often they get bored with the victim and proceed to dispose of the victim.

Meanwhile, the religious folk believe in miracles. The miracles are actually events which are positive events that here too take advantage of the structure of reality and how to control it. What the religious folk overlook, is the fact that the nasties on the other side can created negative so called miracles.

Since the negative so called miracles are not a popular topic, people who become targets of these negative so called miracles, simply become seen as being " Just another nut-case ".
 
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Just got home, reading and will comment to each post in kind, but as you've posted a fair bit while I was on the tube home, it may take me a while...
 
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I will let you gather your thoughts and post whilst I take a break :tea:

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implantation of the base of the spine - many victims account for lost time and when they come to they have excess energy which depending on their belief system. Either spiritual or technological they experience an attack. People just do not realise that K A and e-harassment are one and the same and believe that the metaphysical K A exists, it does but relative to e - harassment. All this stems around the Theosophical society - this relates to the medical profession as this is the basis of the medical profession. Do you know anything about Plato and the Hippocratic Oath? This relates to psychiatry and life coaching as I said....
I know a little bit about the Theosophical society, read Blavatsky's books (Isis, and the doctrine) some years ago. I have read some Plato, and know something Hippocrates. I have 'followed' the philosophy of the Western High tradition, so know of humours as a result of the 'elements' figuring in both the Art and the Craft...

One that is truly an attack. I will describe mine then.

I was delivering a course - a weekend one so that was the context. I was happy relaxed and very happy to be doing it. (Two weeks before I was seeing a coach who put me out in one of the last sessions.)

Back to the course - I went to bed and woke up in the middle of the night unable to see at all - I stumbled about and eventually got my sight back it was very distorted. I had severe pains all over my body and had pins and needles from head to toe. I was in agony. It was not like a heart attack- I have never had one. I felt as though I had been reversed to put it mildly and my insides were being gripped - it is since called from what I have discovered an internal shift. Both my feet were on fire and were vibrating. My head - well this was an external attack - I felt I was wearing a cardboard tube on my head and a channel of energy was beaming at me down this confined space. It was roaring and my ears were popping. I could feel the hairs in my ears just vibrating madly and all I wanted to do was itch them. I had severe sneezing. Ten to twenty sneezes at a time - my eyes were watering so much that I had a wet face. Now this lot together is an "attack" this is no hallucination. This is not part of the human condition. This was a hijack of my electrochemical system. My hands and feet were white and red as though I had a circulation problem. I was taken to casualty and they could find nothing wrong with me at all. Absolutely nothing. My eyes were severley bloodshot as a result - this was the evidence of the left over of the attack. Many victims report blood shot eyes....

Now that is an attack.......

why and who well - note coach. This needs explaining and this relates to the telephone calls

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See bold, that corresponds to my early experiences. I actually was reading a lot of occult 'sciences', and had a penchant for LSD, a combination I might add that is not particulary helfpul in maintaining shared subjective reality or as some would have it objective reality. Eventually I began to be a bit put out by the feeling, how did I describe it...like serpents of fire biting the legs, trying to climb up and gain control of consciousness. I eventually attended my local vicarage to discuss it with the parish vicar. He wasn't very helpful, telling me 'we don't deal with things like that, perhaps you should see a psychiatrist?'. Stupidly...lol..I went and discussed it with a shrink...like they say you can't put an old head on young shoulders...:LOL:
 
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It's only been lately I've noticed the vibrating. I've never even mentioned it to anyone. I've noticed two types; one where my insides get all shaky, like low blood sugar, but the other feels exactly like a vibrating cell phone. I can't say how many times I've reached in my pocket for it to find no messages.
Another new thing is a fluttering in my right ear. Both ears ring a lot, but the right one is worse. Now, in 1993 I suffered a severe skull fracture that left me with slightly less hearing in that ear-but any time I've had my hearing tested the results don't show anything. One doctor accused me of trying to get a larger settlement (the driver was drunk).
Strange thing about that skull fracture: it happened after I had sought treatment for depression the first time. I had been hearing voices for a few years, just someone calling my name, and the hissing and static chicken described. That treatment ended with a stint in a drug rehab, at the prompting of my therapist, even though all I was using was pot. The day after I got out of rehab, I was hit by a car while riding a bicycle. I clearly remember the nurse tell my family to get my effects together and prepare for the worst, because while I was awake, I simply could'nt keep my eyes open. Was someone trying to kill me? The timing was impeccable. I had saved up some money and was planning on getting the hell out of this city. That injury kept me at least from going anywhere.
You guys are saying a lot that is resonating with me, I thought I was the only one who experienced some of these things. My memory recall is terrible, there is much more I should be saying, but will have to wait for a trigger. I am noticing since I registered last night my firewall is registering port scans and application hijacking every half hour or so.
Vehicles, I have bad luck with. Since there are a lot of similarities here, I want to mention something that bothered my hugely at the time it happened, in may of 2000. It started with possibly the WORST nightmare I have ever had. I worked at a steel rebar factory, and a co-worker and I were looking for an order in the storehouse, and my co-worker decided out of the blue to take a nap on a pile of rebar, no less. I noticed a towmotor coming towards us, and it had another stack of rebar, and it was going to put it on top of my friend! That's when I noticed-it was being driven by an alien' the grey kind. I started screaming for it to stop, and when I realized it was'nt going to, I grabbed my friend by his ankle to pull him off. The twist-IRL I actually jumped out of bed, the bed was the rebar, my friend was my wife. By now, my screaming had woke everyone in the house up, and when I went to pull my friend off, I really grabbed my wife, picked her up by the ankle with one arm. I pulled damn near every muscle in my left side doing that. Right after that, I had another dream, where these bluish beings, that looked exactly like Oliver the Humanzee (but blue) were tampering with my motorcycle. The next morning, on my way to work, the bike just died on me on route 66. I looked down at the bike and hit a large rock in the road that I swear was'nt there and wiped out.
Wow, thats a long post. I'm gonna go get some dinner, then I'll be back.
 
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