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The Myth of Schizophrenia as a Progressive Brain Disease

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https://recoverynet.ca/2012/11/28/the-myth-of-schizophrenia-as-a-progressive-brain-disease/

An important article by some of the world’s most prominent researchers into what psychiatry calls “schizophrenia” and published in The Schizophrenia Bulletin.

The article examines evidence from a number of perspectives and concludes that…

The condition psychiatry calls “schizophrenia”:

is not well understood at all and is as varied and complex in its experiences and outcomes as the many factors that contribute to it.
is better understood not as a biological, brain based illness but as as a syndrome : with many contributing and triggering factors, including increased susceptibilty from genes, increased susceptability from conditions at birth, environmental factors like stress , poverty, life events, and the types of treatment received.

and that…

typical medications used to treat patients are shown to cause shrinkage in brain volumes, even after short periods .[to say nothing of other so called “side effects”]
treatments and other factors like poverty and poor access to services, that many people with the diagnosis come to find themselves living in, can both prevent good outcomes and can themselves be harmful, and so contribute to degradation that does occur.

…and that key assumptions held by professions and practitioners are false…

the assumption and belief that gradual decline is inevitable in all people diagnosed with “schizophrenia” is a demonstrably false one.
the assumption and belief that people cannot recover from schizoprenia is clearly false – people do.

The authors call on practising professions and professionals to shift their beliefs, their thinking and practice, and to join with consumers, survivors and families and work in ways that support and expect and promote recovery.

hear! hear!

…and, possibly, best of all the authors have chosen to publish the article under a creative commons licence so that it can be shared – now that really is a sign of change.

[note the article contains 125 references which are omitted here for easier reading, pdf which you can find at the end of this post….]

http://m.schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/11/20/schbul.sbs135.full.pdf

The Myth of Schizophrenia as a Progressive Brain Disease

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-24927805

This is one of the issues that dogged the assisted suicide bill in the Scottish Parliament.

People with schizophrenia were seen as those with a degenerative disease, which meant they could come under the criteria for legal assisted suicide.

Hopefully this research clears this up. I am not pro assisted suicide as I think ot could be misused by future government's, however it appears that for now this puts the argument to bed.

I am not surprised that the antipsychotics could be responsible for brain degeneration, but no doubt it will be justified by the 'fact' we are all dangerous and need to be kept under control. So we probably will be 'vegetables' pretty soon. I wouldn't get your hopes up as to otherwise.
 
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Well hopefully I'll be a happy purple eggplant. Maybe I'll be with someone special. And I'll say, it's okay, Mr. Brussel Sprouts will help me.

But in all seriousness, I want to defy the odds.
 
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None of us want to be 'vegetables' but I think you're more likely to be the longer you are on medication. If you need it, you need it, I suppose, but I would rather not. I'd question if I would have had a psychotic episode last year if it wasn't for medication. I know I have always made silly mistakes at work where my brain seems to shut off briefly and that could be due to it. I used to think it was binge drinking that caused it but having read recent research on medication I think it could be the drugs.

I think my brain has become dependent on drugs and if I wasn't on any I'd be ill. There are probably millions of people in the world with the same problem. However much we want to fight the system we have to acknowledge that the drug companies have won and we have lost in so many ways because of them. :hug1:
 
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None of us want to be 'vegetables' but I think you're more likely to be the longer you are on medication. If you need it, you need it, I suppose, but I would rather not. I'd question if I would have had a psychotic episode last year if it wasn't for medication. I know I have always made silly mistakes at work where my brain seems to shut off briefly and that could be due to it. I used to think it was binge drinking that caused it but having read recent research on medication I think it could be the drugs.

I think my brain has become dependent on drugs and if I wasn't on any I'd be ill. There are probably millions of people in the world with the same problem. However much we want to fight the system we have to acknowledge that the drug companies have won and we have lost in so many ways because of them. :hug1:
The Good Guys lost in regards to humane mental health treatment - it's sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg
 
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Maybe the pharmacy companies are big and bad but what's to stop people like us from one day forming a more natural alternative to anti-psychotics. I'd definitely be my own guinea pig for eventually lowering my dosages and getting vitamin shots along with a healthy eating and exccercise lifestyle.
 
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Maybe the pharmacy companies are big and bad but what's to stop people like us from one day forming a more natural alternative to anti-psychotics. I'd definitely be my own guinea pig for eventually lowering my dosages and getting vitamin shots along with a healthy eating and exccercise lifestyle.
i think it's more complex than that. Some people do get successfully medication free, but a high percentage of people also can't get off these drugs once on them, i know i can't now.
 
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i think it's more complex than that. Some people do get successfully medication free, but a high percentage of people also can't get off these drugs once on them, i know i can't now.
I'm rather young, so my chances may be better. But you're still better at research than I am so I don't think you're close to veggietale mode.

I would love to take advantage of my circumstances to kick these drug pushers where it counts. All in due time though.
 
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I'm rather young, so my chances may be better. But you're still better at research than I am so I don't think you're close to veggietale mode.

I would love to take advantage of my circumstances to kick these drug pushers where it counts. All in due time though.
They say one tablet can significantly alter brain chemistry balance - a lot of studies cite 6 weeks as being a time on neuroleptics (anti-psychotics) is enough to form dependency, significant brain changes & potential severe withdrawal reactions. ideally the time for a comprehensive/humane approach is in first episode of psychosis - chances of a fuller resolution to it all is significantly reduced after that.

Despite what appearances there are to my on-line persona - i'm Not that intellectual, & i've also spent a lot of work trying to improve my mind - close to 15 years of sobriety & living as healthily as i can, a lot of reading/research, as healthy a diet as possible & have maintained a relatively low dose of one medication for 17 years - a lot of people appear to be on high doses of multiple drugs - i dread to think what that does over the longer term to the body/brain?

Everything considered i've also come to far more of an acceptance of the diagnosis/condition & medication - But i do think there are far better ways of approaching all these areas & responding to/helping people in crisis. Not that my opinion is really going to make a lot of difference to anything - Big Pharma has won. There's also a case that with some individuals a wise use of medication(s) can/do help, & i expect that i'm one of those people - what should i really care if millions of people are being unnecessarily/overly drugged - a lot of them don't seem to care much about it all, most people seem to love it.
 
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I think my brain has become dependent on drugs and if I wasn't on any I'd be ill. There are probably millions of people in the world with the same problem
When I first started taking antipsychotics I stopped them after about two months, got through the withdrawal and had a relapse after six months. So I ended up restarting them. It's now recommended to take antipsychotics for at least six months when you first start them.

They say one tablet can significantly alter brain chemistry balance - a lot of studies cite 6 weeks as being a time on neuroleptics (anti-psychotics) is enough to form dependency, significant brain changes & potential severe withdrawal reactions.
That is quite shocking, I didn't know that. And I've now been on them for nearly five years, despite a total of six attempts trying to get off.

Not that my opinion is really going to make a lot of difference to anything - Big Pharma has won.
Temporarily. I suspect it will be the same as with cocaine or amphetamines, which used to be available over the counter as "pick me ups" back in the 1850's. They may realise antipsychotics are more useful in short term use, and legislate for antipsychotic drugs which are not habit forming and which can be used over short periods without many side effects.

There's also a case that with some individuals a wise use of medication(s) can/do help
This is the silver lining. I think for a lot of people the drugs are still a net win, in that they feel better on them than off them despite how much they may dislike taking them.
 
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That is quite shocking, I didn't know that. And I've now been on them for nearly five years, despite a total of six attempts trying to get off.
There are various statistics - a conservative number is that for around 40% of people it's impossible to get successfully off neuroleptics once started on them - they'll be on them for life.

i don't know what the actual Global statistics are for successful withdrawal from all psychiatric drugs is, i don't expect that has ever been studied? i expect it's quite low. A lot of people also seem to experience protracted withdrawal problems.

This is the silver lining. I think for a lot of people the drugs are still a net win, in that they feel better on them than off them despite how much they may dislike taking them.
Regardless - the current policy is increasing drug focused treatment in mental health, in the 'West' & Globally, the alternatives/critics aren't winning/appear to have lost the debate/argument. i expect that that for some people even with a more ideal system the medications may well be a lesser of evils.
 
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There are various statistics - a conservative number is that for around 40% of people it's impossible to get successfully off neuroleptics once started on them - they'll be on them for life.

i don't know what the actual Global statistics are for successful withdrawal from all psychiatric drugs is, i don't expect that has ever been studied? i expect it's quite low. A lot of people also seem to experience protracted withdrawal problems.



Regardless - the current policy is increasing drug focused treatment in mental health, in the 'West' & Globally, the alternatives/critics aren't winning/appear to have lost the debate/argument. i expect that that for some people even with a more ideal system the medications may well be a lesser of evils.
Still, I am in the driver's seat. I am me, regardless of whether I take meds or not.

A dangerous tool is still just a tool.
 
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Still, I am in the driver's seat. I am me, regardless of whether I take meds or not.

A dangerous tool is still just a tool.
Fundamentally we're still who we are & i'm Not opposed to a potential wise use of medications.

Also think it can be hard to separate certain things out with a psychotic disorder & psychiatric drug dependency - psychosis often involves complex issues of identity; on many levels
 
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Fundamentally we're still who we are & i'm Not opposed to a potential wise use of medications.

Also think it can be hard to separate certain things out with a psychotic disorder & psychiatric drug dependency - psychosis often involves complex issues of identity; on many levels
Dependency.

Okay. I think the only reason why some are dependent is because of our materialist scientific culture.

If we were in a shaman friendly, or tribal culture, people would just be allowed to live their lives, I think.

Guess, I'm going to Ghana after all. Lol
 
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