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The Mauve Factor and oxidative stress- Woody McGinnis



Just came back from this very interesting talk, Apparently there is also a conference on this weekend at the Spencer on Byron in Takapuna,

Here is the rundown ( My version of it is by no means exact, so please excuse any errors. he said a paper is to be published in November this year., and that we could get a copy from him, so I will ask for one. )

He was talking on Oxidative Stress and the Mauve Factor.
His background is a Behavioural nutritionist/ Parent of a child with a behavioral disorder, and was a GP, now specialises in research.

He started by showing a lady who had done research on ADHD in her neighbourhood with other parents and co-related their physical symptoms and appearances in a tabulated form
Dry skin/ eczema/ and other symptoms were prevalent that suggested a deficiency in fatty acids, and discovered Evening primrose oil and zinc as a benefit for these problems , as well as treating the ADHD symptoms. ( which is where I suppose fish oils come in also)

The Mauve Factor refers to a urine test that shows lilac on the paper chromatography test. It was discovered by Abram Hoffer in 1961. He found 27 out of 39 of those with Early schizophrenic diagnosis showed a high mauve factor. When treated 7 with Niacinamide the Mauve went from Positve to negative. When their symptoms reappeared the Mauve reappeared also.

Here are the levels of the Mauve factor
Down syndrome 71%
Schizophrenic 40- 80%
Autism 46-48%
ADHD 40-47%
ETHOH 20-84%

there was some confusion over what the Mauve factor represented- twice in research. But it now has been established that it is Hydroxyhempyrrolin-2-one(HPL)
I have a picture of the molecule but cannot draw on this :)

He said Mauve was lower at night, and highest in the evening before bed. tests could be effected by amount of water the subject had been drinking.
All the data is taken retrospectively from other research- allowing for very low costs.

All those with elevated Mauve had borderline B6 activity. Were deficient.

Mauve deficient associations are
Poor Dream recall ( often signals flagging B6)
Poor breakfast appetite - sometimes even nausea
Nail spots- white flecks on the nails ( indication of low zinc)
Stretch marks
Pale skin -( called China doll syndrome) Poor tanning
Lighter hair
Acne/allergies/ obesity
Coarse eyebrows
knee and joint pain
cold hands and feet
Light/sound/ odour intolerance
tremor/ shaking/spasma
stress intolerance
emotional lability
explosive anger
anxiety/ withdrwal
pessimisim/ depression.

(I asked if the people with these signs were on medication, as often medication can cause these effects- he said it was not noted in the data. So was not as complete as he would like.)

He said that a high Mauve factor also presented
perceptual disorganisation
Crime and delinquency.
It had shown in normal law abiding people who suddenly dipped into deviant behaviours!

Next was Zinc they tested White blood cell zinc, and found it subnormal in those with the mauve factor . they showed Leukodynima(?) white flecks on nails. Can suffer eczema/ asthma/ hyperactivity. Showed photos of his son, who had the light hair even though had dark blood(adopted) and said he gave him very high levels of zinc- his hair went dark- and his behavioural problems improved substantially.

( I asked later if using Hydroperoxide on the hair externally could increase oxidative stress - and he was nt sure)

levels were low in those with mauve factor, which he said shows the oxidation- loss of electrons in the body.
he links Emotional stress with Oxidative stress. Many toxins can also cause oxidation in the mind and body.
Oxidation happens, and the dead cells are is excreted through urine, breath, found in ADHD high oxidation levels through the breath.

MEDITATION lowers blood lipid peroxides, and lowers oxidative stress. (They are doing a test at the moment on people and relaxation techniques, and oxidation levels. I asked if meditation lowered the Mauve factor and he said he did not know, but he would tend to think that it would)

Mauve Factor and Psychosocial stress go hand and hand together. He gives patients extra B6 and zinc to mute stress symptoms. They can be given if it appears that they are beginnng to become upset.

PLASMA GSH lower levels when oxidative stress is higher.
HPL injections actively depress hepatic microsomal heme.
Heme depression lowers intracellular zinc and induces NOS And increases oxidative stress.
Poor energy is also symptom of Oxidative stress.

Those with mauve factor ( high HPL) show low catalase ( Catalase neutrolises bleach, and reduces hydropyroxide in the body.) this could explain the lighter hair and complexions.

Those with high HPL levels had greater nitric oxide content. Very high in autism

said the gut and the brain were effected by oxidative stress. Increased the permeability- became worried sick. Causing an overly porous intestine and " Leaky gut syndrome"
Thought there was a link between the Mauve factor and the Gut.Monopyrroles may be generated by bacteria. One study showed that Tetracyclin reduced them in 4 subjects.
Kanamyacin abolished them in 9 subjects

He suggest giving those with these symptoms of oxidative stress and the Mauve factor Vit C, Vit B6 Zinc and Vit E

Mauve levels predict proportionately lower functional B6 and zinc blood levels.
Strong reference to stress(? not sure if that is right)
Mauve is a biomarker for oxdative stress
Possible enteric origin for Mauve Factor
Links between oxidisations/ somatic health/ behavioural abnormalities

He said when giving Zinc tests were needed to monitor to ensure it was not in excess. test the plasma zinc level and the Red Blood zinc level. To make sure the copper levels do not go too low.
Can use Zinc sulphate in liquid form as is easily absorbed.

Talked about giving people P5P, which seemed to work well with zinc absorption.
good food sources of zinc- sesame seeds, red meat and oysters.
I asked if trauma could cause severe oxidation in the brain, he said yes.
I asked if drugs, such as methamphetamines etc, and he again said that they would have this effect.
he talked about how some drugs are antioxidants, where others such as Haldol that causes tardive Dyskenisia, is Prooxidant. as is cocaine.

He said he had visited the offices of Abram Hoffer, and looked at his charts and spoken to his clients,and TWO THIRDS of them recover completely in 2 years under his nutritional guidance. It is true, he has seen the results himself.

A few notes:
Too much B6 can cause nightmares and sleep disturbance.
gives doses of usualy 200 to 400mg Vit b6 a day ( usually with a compound).

Any questions and I can email him.


Well-known member
Nov 30, 2008
Here's a similar case where glutathione, a strong antioxidant, was used instead. http://tinyurl.com/3dpszz Just shows that they dont understand whats happening. Oxidation is a corrosive state, cooking, seering, leeching oozing coagulation in the stomach and intestinal walls, cells, bones, organs, etc...


Adrienne, Cal, (Adrienn or Adrienne???)

With all due respect, I have to say that was boring as hell.

Adrienne, I have to apologize for typing that was boring as hell although at first I did think so.

I've never seen a guest here before and that's really not very nice of me so I'm sorry.

I'm staying away from this place; it makes me nuts.

Perhaps it could benefit someone though; you never know.

Although I see very little on "hearing voices" in that information provided, thank you.

I assume this applies to schizophrenia which I thought could not be proven, but just speculated.

Research a new catagory???

I must say though, it is a distraction and could be interesting.

I would argue on several points there, but I'm too tired.

One major big one is that so many of those Mauve deficient assoc. can be associated with too much of everything.

Yes, also, those statistics for schizophrenia especially seem unusually "high."

Need to eat and still laughing.
Did eat; just smiling now.


I must not miss my moment, I just have to say it how it is, well you could not make it up, there I was having a stroll around at this ungodly hour of the morning thinking how terrific it was there was no one else around except for me and a few of the staf, a guy with sad eyes, who is mising his cherished, a cleaner in the Neptune Lounge, who gave me a wave and said 'good morning Marm' and off I stroll towards my rather expensive and not very nice pictures. There I was, all six of them, in my best dress ever, and what a mess, there's my hair, cut myself, no make up on except for a brush of eye mascara, and that was a forced put, some purple eye shadow and some nice pal lipstick, and that's just about it....... I'd best not say anymore, but I'm not buying and then I did a nice stroll over to where the jewllery is and thought who the hell is going to buy that rather ugly expensive large diamond for not a small finger, not I, thought I am, and then I did a wander and what happened was, the television turned on, and I turned back and what a lot of twin towers, and there he was, the artist man, touching up the photographs, well I'm not, and I can't believe how old I've got over the last six months, now isn't that tragic, the things you lot all over the world have cost me, the rather end of my quite nice good looks, and now I can't help but understand it's my sageism, well I've got wrinkles to die for, and rather a lot of downy turned lines, some rather nice laughter ones as well, now who wants to take on a girl like that, ah well, no one, and those frown lines with all the worrying for the world, not like that whale, with no fin in the right place, and how I wished he'd not told me about our Orlando being in a poor condition, and that he'd been in that swimming pool, with rather a lot of chemicals to make that water blue, since 1995, all the way over from America in an aeroplane, in a crate, and how sad I felt, after having a terrific time watching the wonder world and those dolphins, now I've gone off tack, so now I just have to tell you what happened next, I went back over to internet and thought, I'm not doing any more computing, I've going back down for a nice cuppa in my cabin, and as I stroll past reception, there is the beautiful not thai girl not for now, and she says, 'can I help you Marm' and I said, 'yes you can actually, my credit card, somethings gone wierd somewhere' and she says 'I will check that for you Marm' and then she tells that what happened was that only one card was registered at reception when we got on board, and it twas not mine, though I most definitely went and did that, and that was wierd because my statement did not included all his drinky poos and that's rather a great deal of money, so what's gone off a, and that's not all, I told her I would leave it well alone, because I reckon we have rather a large row brewing one day not too far off from departure day, if not before, and then what happened was when I checked our nautical map to find out about the slip streams of the seas, this rather unpleasant guy turns up, not in his jimjars, not like I, with my nice cover up top on top, if you do not guess what I mean, and what a load of bother, roll eyes. You could not make it up, what's gone off a . Well, he got woke up by a noise in his cabin, and he's not well pleased, and that girl you could tell she took on board what he said, so she offered him the ear plugs, and he did no more than go 'rather angry' and demanded to have a member of the fix it team down there in the cabin straight away, like now, and not a second later, and of course she could not do that and asked what the noise sounded like and you know what he said, you would not believe it, 'the ships making a rattle' yes, how do you describe my reaction, well not at all angry, I just thought I will watch that face, and anyhow, he did not foot stamp, though he leant forward on the counter, and that girl stood her ground, and she gave a little shudder, and he insisted on having someone there to cure it because it had woken his wife up also, and they were not having that, so she offered the ear plugs again, and he did the dismissal and the sneer with a wave of his hand and walked away, and what, a slammed door, not half, and I watched that girl, and she picked up her telephone, and she spoke in her own language except for the words ear plugs, and then she started laughing. What a team they are all of them, how they back each other up, isn't that terrific, not like the day when I was at work in that not now cute place, which I bet has lots of bad vibes after I rather cleared those all up and freed them from the devils and demons going through there, what had I said 'no I will not in rather a strong tone of voice' to a control freak woman, whose child was creating mayhem with his screeching noise with his red hot gums, and that rather controlling father of his who was not half no longer married to that girl of his, if you get my drift, and she ordered me to get all the other children out of the library who were playing lots and lots of bobbos and lots and lots of truth games on the internet and lots and lots of reading and choosing books, and what did she do when I would not do as she told, she did report me, and got it written down, and sent to top boss like, not half tht afternoon, like it was a Saturday and that bosses day off, thank you very much for your support, the person in charge that day, and it was not half not Jana, and who took charge, my fatest boss in the whole planet, even fatter than I am, and tht says someat, and what did I get on the Monday morning, a lot of bother, a trawl through the office, into the back room, out of the way, with a rather not nice verbal warning and a lot of bother about me letting down my colleagues, nice pink jumper kothnotnowowen and not nowstevenotwellprotectedbythisgirlgettingyoutocheckoutintrvoicenowdidiforyourknowledgetohelpyouallthroughandtosaveyourverysoles and then what happened was, I got myself a not nice letter telling me it was my first verbal warning, and what happened..... did I save that hard copy........ Like hell I did, mmmmmm not an all, it was far too upsetting for a cherub like I was as a child, and now an older sagest woman, and how unkind they were to not give me any backing, whatsoever, not until, I got myself a chum, the one who I told the woman complaining to go through because I would not have anything to do with that scum, and still I got hauled in, even then, talk about fisher talk about fishing for getting me out of my favouritist library in the whole planet and talk about not being fair and talk about not having support and talk about not being real those folk who I saved from rather a lot of hell fire and when I needed just a little bit of support, like rather a low paid job with not too many hours and maybe a little bit of casual to find out about some rather unpleasant stuff, what did I get........ you don't talk to us, and we give you the sack. Like did Ikeep that letter and chuck it onto the fire back so that I would not get distressed should I go back there, like hell I would. Well now, computer's, don't they keep copies. What about my union rep, wasn't I the kind of girl who wanted to keep her out of a very unpleasant place and get myself sorted, and not involve her to the point where she would have most definite thought that I should have taken rather a lot of tablets, and implied that I was rather a lost control person with rather a load of bonkers.

Now get this, I want my job back and I am deadly serious and I want not one word other than:

You have casual hours for whenever you want in whichever place you want to work like that's the whole of the not now west group, which they rather swapped all around to accommodate themselves, and I st\rt first on that Mobile, to get myself back into those people's houses where I know they need me to take their books which I choose for them, which that not nice J implied I was not even so much as capable of picking an old lady a rather nice classical book instead of a load of ...... what did she mean, when she said that old woman would not like a jane austen, when she loved a lot of romance.

Tch tch

I guess I've gone off on one, and those word's stay. You could not believe the loss of support I got from those who I had trained, who I had supported to the point where I lost a special job myself because she got the one I wanted first through rather a lovely career break when she was going to chuck her job in, and you know why they back pedalled from this girl, yes you guess, it, rather a lot of mental illness, you could not make it up the way they changed towards me, specially and now I could bawl my eyes out a true friend at that time, the kindest woman on the planet who I trained up in the first place who got my job when I moved over to Management, and how she took that wine glass off me the day when we were altogether in our Inn three chums and guess they did not invite me, just h appened to be there and now I po.... thanks for the phone call inviting uyour mucker which you nevr did, lots and lots of sarcasm.....

so long, uncherished ones, not until........ I get my job back

Terri's friend no longer


Well well well, just guess who has just walked in and it was not tutandharmoon, nor his ma either for I am her now no longer.

Yes, Dohn and you know what he says, he says I hav ebeen here all night, and to get my ass our of here, wlel I was reading out loud so I continued, and he did not like that, so what got him out of his bed then, roll eyes, as though I did not know. Anyhow what I want to add to my last post, because now those awful bad vibes from him have gone, and he disappeared just as a terrific member of staff walked through the door was that, it was Margi who sent me a nice support email which said how are ya, and I did appreciate that, though I did not appreciate the one from caroline who said that i had got to sort it out myself and speak to jos and not chuck my job though and that was not all sue sent me an email saying she missed me and sandra told me about her ma dying and she misses me as well and i miss seeing her girl in the library and those grandchildren of yours, and that's not all, it's about time they all realised that I do not go anywhere near them whatsoever because they are not worth a toss, you get no where when you try to state your case, explain the situation in not quite their way, which they do not quite like, so what happened to diversity then, wasn't that the day we were supposed to take it on board and have it as a challenge and equality also, you could not make it up how ut's all gone wrong and rather unworldy and totally bollocked up and what I want to say is, I bet you a pound to whatever you want my whole entire material wealth that that bloke who complained about the rattle, gets it written down for rathr a lot of freebee and spreads it around the boat like no tomorrow, starting at breakfast, which starts a rathr unpleasant ball rolling, like not a lot of moans about nothin in particular, and about how they are all rocking and feeling a bit sick, and how they cannot understand why the boat makes a squeak or two and rattle here or there or that the motion of the boat might make some people a little bit sea sick, not like me, I'm forever sea farer, I love it, it's great, well that bloke, he looked like half a decent chap, so you couldnot make it up, on what's gone off, so why the hell do they come on board, with what cums natural on board not a space ship now, a truely beautiful ship, with lots and lots of people.

Nothing else to add, and I will not change it, not like sum, I've never been very good at those equations or logarithsms or pythagorus but I know a man who is and a man whose good at computers and a man whose good at all and art as well, and it aint half me though Im really good at mental arithmetic cos i kept my brain active, and my arts not bad either, though lots of room for improvement, not like I was a kiddy, and I rather hated sewing after mrs bonsell said i would not pass my exams, though I did afterall cos I showed her, so wasnt she the wise one, anyhow, i liked sewing again when i found my map of the world, and stitched my cross stitich, what about Jo Verso then, died in a tragic accident, not unlike diana, and didn't we have fun watching her screw it all u, no we did not, what a shame hey, what a big brother, what a star for that speech, and what a great big horrible let down man, another branch off our famous rather not be family tree, so don't dare let on, though I've been back through reincarnation, only last night and the night before, to find our what happened and it was all to do with that father and what came well after at around about 1666. Must not half go now, got a trip to look forward to at Grand Caneria, and not a lot of Madeira, or who knows what would happen. Do not want to lose any of our angels, none whatsoever, so if all is unwell, then I shall simply staff on board, and get myself tucked quietly away somewhere, have a dream world and not a good book and gaze out on the seas to see if I can spot that whale I saw when I was over at the dolphin part and there in the distance was the seas, and there was the whale not half near the beach and I tried to get a shot, and I just missed it, go ddarn it, drat, and it was most definitely there, but I guess that man not let me stay on board, not without him, talk about leech, that's what it is, he cannot bear to do anything without me, what did I say, go off for a walk with your sister and our Les, no not without you, I feel poorly, as if I did, roll eyes, and he said well I will stop in the cabin with you, and I said no bother, just go, and what a load of Palava with the result that this morning not many minutes ago, he said I did not spend the night in the cabin, so drunk again, and yes he did wake me up when he came through the door talking to himself, now Marius you lovely not now doctor though you are a Professor, what's up wi im, as though I ent woked it out for missen, though all advice on how to get him out of my skull appreciated so dont forget to check me out on face book before I lost the last of my good looks and became an old gel to save the lot off this planet and that dolphin did the eye ball with me and then said through squeaks thank you marm and the gorilla when I saw him, asn it was just so funny cos no one else noticed, said 'bog off' to me and lots of others, and i gen them parrots a miss cos it werent my thing and those whales well what a show, those guys and that girl, it was truly asolutely amazing, and what creaturs they are and how they love them with all their hearts and souls and but, well just but but, what about those chemicals and that fin on that whale, now isn't it shame and what did he tell me, they are rather in poor condition with the fin down, and that fin only raised itself up once, when they made those whaling sounds of the seas which are quite haunting and what did I hear the ne na na na na na na na ne na na na na na from those great ancestors in the skies from over in the old US of A, and how the flesh on my bones raised and how wonderous the sounds were, and it was just so awfully amazing that it was all the truth every single last word and we are all hering voices from over the otherside with rather a lot of aid of.......eeeeee I don't know

Am gooin now, to get missen some snap for mi po period

bye for now


And the female angels are singing their heads off here, and you'd better believe those words, and how true they are, and I am truly going so now ta ta, and our Cal's got the last word, and it is not Narmies not now.....