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The Fear of Death

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im terrified of dying
that's why I don't kill myself xx
Consciously or unconsciously (probably far more unconsciously) i think that a lot of people are, There is a powerful & endemic death denial in this culture, Ernest Becker wrote an excellent book on it all.

From the point of view of suicide, i think that there probably are potentially dire implications on a spiritual level for committing such an act. Not that the Universe has judgement - But rather that consciousness doesn't end - it doesn't resolve anything, it's a mistake, & the same lessons have to be addressed. i think a lot of people appear to think that suicide is an escape, or a solution, when in reality i think it's likely the opposite of that.
 
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From the point of view of suicide, i think that there probably are potentially dire implications on a spiritual level for committing such an act. Not that the Universe has judgement - But rather that consciousness doesn't end - it doesn't resolve anything, it's a mistake, & the same lessons have to be addressed. i think a lot of people appear to think that suicide is an escape, or a solution, when in reality i think it's likely the opposite of that.
im scared now! really I never thought about it like that so until we learn our lessons /unresolved issues so to speak we will just flounder in misery in the afterlife-you put this more clever than me but I know what I mean!!
 
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im scared now! really I never thought about it like that so until we learn our lessons /unresolved issues so to speak we will just flounder in misery in the afterlife-you put this more clever than me but I know what I mean!!
Yes & no - i think it depends very much on the individual - No one i think fully knows, & the writings are vast on these subjects. Generally i don't think that there is anything to worry about, & that everything will be OK, & even with 'bad' people things are probably generally OK, & with suicide in cases it is very understandable. i don't think there is any hell-fire or damnation - just that there are implications to our actions. The spirit realms i would see as places of light, love, healing & forgiveness. From the POV of the eternal soul/higher self, i'd think that literally everything works out eventually.

i do very much think that the spirit realms are real & exist & that the afterlife is incomprehensibly vast. There are different concepts of it all. A book i read recently cited there being 12 main levels (probably more), not so much distinct, but in relation to awareness progression. The lowest, or Astral; that many people discuss, & is the most written about, he cited as being over 3 times the size (comparability) as the the physical Universes.

Generally i see nothing to be afraid of with physical death; but i would think it prudent to at least consider what it may entail on the other side & live some kind of worthwhile life, as best that we can. i'm not saying that to scare people, just that i feel there is far far more to everything than meets the eye. For almost the entire history of humanity, nearly every culture had comprehensive ritual for the preparation for death - & then we have Modern materialist culture.

i know that your not really into any of these areas/subjects Lu, & i don't want to inadvertently confuse or mislead you with anything. i thought the interview was good, did you listen to it? Other than living as well as we can (all things considered) try to not worry as far as your able. X
 
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I'm not religious, or spiritual, I think we have a personality and mind, but don't believe there is a soul after we die. I held my mum's hand as she died, she was aware and consciously made the decision to 'go' at that time I firmly believe that but as to what was 'left' I do just believe it was a body.

I don't think there is a higher being or entity we go off to, or reborn for that matter.

However, when I'm hypo at times I do have an effinity to paganism which does have goddess and gods, which then doesn't ring true with me later.. it's a bit odd as I kind of disagree with myself. lol

So, the fear of dying, I don't have. The fear of leaving people behind I do have! This is what stops me from when I am one step away from suicide. I just hope I can always remember that in the depth of the dark hole. I will watch this video link shortly though..
 
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I'm not religious, or spiritual, I think we have a personality and mind, but don't believe there is a soul after we die. I held my mum's hand as she died, she was aware and consciously made the decision to 'go' at that time I firmly believe that but as to what was 'left' I do just believe it was a body.

I don't think there is a higher being or entity we go off to, or reborn for that matter.

However, when I'm hypo at times I do have an effinity to paganism which does have goddess and gods, which then doesn't ring true with me later.. it's a bit odd as I kind of disagree with myself. lol

So, the fear of dying, I don't have. The fear of leaving people behind I do have! This is what stops me from when I am one step away from suicide. I just hope I can always remember that in the depth of the dark hole. I will watch this video link shortly though..
i don't see a contradiction - very much you can have a mythological/symbolic/numinous approach/understanding to these areas.
 
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i don't see a contradiction - very much you can have a mythological/symbolic/numinous approach/understanding to these areas.
Thanks :) I respect other peoples views too. (y) It's a very personal thing, our beliefs and experiences.
 
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Thanks :) I respect other peoples views too. (y) It's a very personal thing, our beliefs and experiences.
Very much so. i kind of have the view that how everything is how it is, it's not based of what we think/believe about it all anyway?

Whether scientism, religion or anything else, the problems i feel come in when people claim absolute truth/authority - the 'i'm right & everyone else is wrong' mentality.
 
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Yes!! I agree totally, comes into play in so many areas of life too unfortuantely the holier than thou viewpoint. I always hope for a banana skin to make someone like that slip on their butts! :LOL:
 
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Yes!! I agree totally, comes into play in so many areas of life too unfortuantely the holier than thou viewpoint. I always hope for a banana skin to make someone like that slip on their butts! :LOL:
It may in part be the condition, but i find it very odd as to how some people are so sure of certain things/beliefs?

A bit of background on Ernest Becker -

Ernest Becker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looked into a lot of his stuff some years ago, a very interesting character.
 
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Really can't sit through over an hour of David Icke enjoying the sound of his own voice.
He is a moron, an arrogant lying conman without an ounce of moral backbone.He is up to his ears involved with people he claims are part of the system he is speaking out against and more recently he has stolen money from people for TPV, which is now longer broadcasting live programs but just repeats.He has asked for another £250.000 in donations which he reduced to £50.000 when he realized he had no chance of getting more.The man is a liar, immoral and a charlatan, who character assassinates anyone who disagrees with him.He censors people on his forums who ask questions and bans many people for speaking the truth about their experience of him too. He seems to have a lot of people fooled, I am not interested in a reply from anyone along the lines of..'his books are good', they are not, they are all the same book repackaged to sell , or 'his heart is in the right place', his heart is not he only cares about fame, money and status.
If Icke was going to change things he would be doing more than selling books, seeling tickets for Wembley and taking our money for repeats on TPV by now!
 
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It may in part be the condition, but i find it very odd as to how some people are so sure of certain things/beliefs?

A bit of background on Ernest Becker -

Ernest Becker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looked into a lot of his stuff some years ago, a very interesting character.
Thanks will have something new to read up into ! ;) I'm sure you understand how much that can mean at the right times! lol

I am studying psychology (applied) and taking an anomalistic class, we have looked into beliefs and how they correlate with personality traits, locus of control etc. I am doing my dissertation on the efficacy of lucky charms / mascots. They do help performance, it's strange, but a psychological advantage occurs I guess. :)

that is way off topic though! Sorry I'm a terror for straying off topic my lecturers will agree.
 
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Thanks will have something new to read up into ! ;) I'm sure you understand how much that can mean at the right times! lol
No shortage of stuff to read is there.

I am studying psychology (applied) and taking an anomalistic class, we have looked into beliefs and how they correlate with personality traits, locus of control etc. I am doing my dissertation on the efficacy of lucky charms / mascots. They do help performance, it's strange, but a psychological advantage occurs I guess. :)

that is way off topic though! Sorry I'm a terror for straying off topic my lecturers will agree.
That sounds fascinating, what year are you in? It's always interested me a lot as well as to what/why people believe what they do, the myth of it all, just as much as what truth there may be in any of it. i've always collected 'odd' stuff, & go through phases of it. Crystals, clocks & watches, torches, cameras, computer stuff, compasses, books, skulls, chess sets, different card sets, tools - things that are a bit unusual, unique or different. Not anything necessarily expensive or extravagant, or tons of it all, just stuff i find interesting.

i don't think it matters evolving a conversation, & the free association of ideas, it's what a conversation is. Everything is interconnected anyway.
 
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