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Apotheosis

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An interesting perspective ~

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dreambuggieII

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wow

thanks so much apothoses

Where do you find these videos - you have done your research. Its really good to see this for so many reasons.

The projection stuff is well heavy. Its fascinating that its like some "holy" mental rights of passage - if its dealt with in the way described above.

Really, thank you so much for that video. I'm so pleased to have seen it.

amazing, really.
 
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Apotheosis

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wow

thanks so much apothoses

Where do you find these videos - you have done your research. Its really good to see this for so many reasons.

The projection stuff is well heavy. Its fascinating that its like some "holy" mental rights of passage - if its dealt with in the way described above.

Really, thank you so much for that video. I'm so pleased to have seen it.

amazing, really.
Thank you. I am really glad that you enjoyed it & got so much from it. I sometimes think I am posting things for my own amusement. ;)

I have been trying to look into as many angles on MH issues as I can, for some time.

What has helped recently; to get more acceptance around presently taking a med, is this distinction that people make, around those that are aware of these things being an internalised process; with those more likely to need meds; whom externalise & project what is happening to them. I sadly have fallen in the latter category in the past. But maybe in time, & I'm going to give it a few years, I may be able to deal with things without a med, & without a primary fear reaction.

I E-Mailed the Guy who made the Video, & had a bit of a chat. There is so much good, & interesting information out there, when you start to look.

Here is his U-Tube Channel -

http://www.youtube.com/user/bipolarorwakingup#p/a

& his Blog -

http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/

The subject of Introjection is an interesting one, as a friend pointed out to me the other day -

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/psychoanalysis/concepts/projection_introjection.htm

Where we internalise what is projected onto us (I think all of us can have a field day with that one!). It is a very interesting subject. It helps me to be aware of certain things. It shifts perspectives & angles onto things, & helps with a little more insight.

I have been considering opposites; to generally accepted things, a lot.

Another recent one that I became more aware of was the nocebo effect -

http://www.skepdic.com/nocebo.html

It is interesting to note that all things it would appear have 2 sides - or are multi faceted; there doesn't seem to be much that is either/or, & black & white. When looked at, nothing really is as it first appears.

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dreambuggieII

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wow

fitting all that memory in your head, is a mean feat...

I need to copy and paste it to someone..

bring me my bourbon for the next few hours...

cheers
 
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breaksandflows

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I've benn looking into metaphors in theory as explainations for mh and there are some that are backed up with the authority of
recent scientific advances. not only does Gödel's incompleteness theorem posit the idea that something in mathematics is
fundamentally absent but if we take the copenhagen interpretation of reality, that is, the act of measurement causes the calculated
set of probabilities to "collapse" to the value defined by the measurement, as read, as we do by marrying the ancient to the
post-modern, then why insist and repeat the attempt to see beyond or behind our mh. almost literally the last sentence of one of your links is, "we
could say mind over matter comes into play when dealing with what a diagnosis really is saying or what we think it is saying."
In other words, if our consciousness designs our reality then the imbroglio is that we create it, so lets love it. reality is our creation, so, as zizek pointed out, an "escape" from it lies in its affirmation. A love of reality=A love of our creation of reality.
 
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breaksandflows

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"we could say mind over matter comes into play when dealing with what a diagnosis really is saying or what we think it is saying."
or mind is over matter when dealing with what a diagnosis really is saying or what we think it is saying."
 
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dreambuggieII

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cool

I've had my bourbon

and I agree with everybody

FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ breaks and flows: sometimes when I've got a lot to say and its complex...I use pictures.
 
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breaksandflows

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its not visual, the best i can do is audio;
"Recorded in 1975 at the Köln Opera House and released the same year, this disc has, along with its revelatory music, some
attendant cultural baggage that is unfair in one sense: Every pot-smoking and dazed and confused college kid -- and a few of the
more sophisticated ones in high school -- owned this as one of the truly classic records, along with Bitches Brew, Kind of Blue,
Take Five, A Love Supreme, and something by Grover Washington, Jr. Such is cultural miscegenation."
Take this in whatever context you wish as much as its revolutionary :)
 
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Apotheosis

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"we could say mind over matter comes into play when dealing with what a diagnosis really is saying or what we think it is saying."
or mind is over matter when dealing with what a diagnosis really is saying or what we think it is saying."
Maybe yes.
 
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breaksandflows

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sorry guys, maybe i had one too many burbons myself. I think what I was trying to say was that the quality of an artists creation lies in a lack of self-indulgence relative to his virtuosity. ironic that thats what i couldnt avoid in my last post
 
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breaksandflows

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hope you took my post in the right way. i only put the disclaimer after because im aware my fault is a tendency toward moralizing which isnt on sometimes. i should know by now the Sadism of Kant.
 
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