Terrified thoughts can come true

[Tina0]

Hi
I am terrified that my thoughts are going to come true. I think horrible and evil thoughts about the people I love. I hate myself for this and would rather die than have any of my thoughts come true! Sometimes my feelings are numbed or horrible and I feel like I don't care but I know in my heart I do care. It sounds stupid but it feels real, I am scared I have hurt the people I love and don't know what to do. Can thoughts come true? Has anyone else experienced this? I am currently not on any anti psychotic medication. Thanks for reading. T

 

[voyager]

Hi Tina, I personally don't think that we as mere mortals can make things happen by thinking evil thoughts. I understand where you are coming from as I think I have felt this way, thinking that my thoughts are so strong that they are bound to happen.

Please try not to worry, easier said than done, I know, I'm sorry that you're feeling this way.

Take care xox

 

[Nicola398]

Tina, I think in terms of what you are experiencing it is common for others to fear that just thinking about something good of bad can make it come true.They call it the power of positive thinking or the Law of Attraction.Books have been written about it and witchcraft practice involves the casting of spells to make good or bad wishes come true.Some say it works if you believe it and doesn't if you disbelieve it.
In our society today we don't believe these things unlike in medieval times when they use to burn women as witches because they thought they could use their thoughts to perform such acts.
Some say we all have these powers to use our minds to influence events but that we have been reduced to our five senses and these powers lay dormant unless awakened.Whatever the truth is do not be disturbed by it, try to keep your personal energy good and positive so you don't think of bad things happening to people you know and stop fearing this power if you think you have it but resolve never to use it for bad only good.

 

[RainbowHeartz]

hiya

i get intrusive thoughts and they seem so real its scary isnt it... but my pdoc told me thoughts are just that thoughts!

JD xxx

 

[Tina0]

I hope I don't have the ability to make thoughts true as I get horrible intrusive thoughts that I can't control. Your comment has scared me Nicola. I don't want bad things to happen.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

Hiya Tina0

Bad and disturbing thoughts such as you describe, are pretty common in people who experience emotional and mental distress.

But you do not like them, and they trouble you. In some respects this is a good thing, cos you will not act on them, and do any harm.

Thoughts are just that. Thoughts.

Take care and I wish you well

 

[Tina0]

Thanks Per Ardua.I won't act on my thoughts but they involve ghosts and things I can't see so I am not able to see if they are true or not.

 

[mykill]

Woah. This made my brain stall for a second. If they are things you can't see then how do you know they are there? Are they burping or farting?
At least, that's where my thoughts went.

But going back to your opening post, it is something to be concerned about.
I am a psycho according to the medical community and I can understand getting terrible thoughts you don't actually do. I don't want them, but I too constantly look at people and think violent things.
But here's the thing. My wife and my two dogs are the beings who mean everything to me. And I DO NOT think harmful thoughts of them. Only at others I'm not connected to.

Not to panic you, since we're all individuals and this could very well be nothing that you would do outside of thoughts, but that idea it's to your loved ones....I don't know what to do, but hopefully you come up with and do something.
Maybe therapy would help get to the source?
You need to stay alert at all times to your thoughts and control of yourself to keep thoughts from being reality, in my experience.
I think you're right to not dismiss it and be a little worried. I've learned to live with ugly thoughts and not doing them. Maybe you can take that as inspiration that it can be done and you can be fine eventually. well, fine isn't the right word. Bearable is more appropriate.
The darkness can be strong, but you can be stronger and get better at tuning it out, to a degree.

 

[Nicola398]

Tina, I am sorry I didn't want to scare you, definitely you are in control and your thought are just thoughts and non material at the end of the day, being anxious about them is very common when we are ill but they can be bought under your control very easily and stop being worrying thoughts.Mykill I think you are right, thoughts can be dark and we can tune them out.Can I recommend to you both if anxious thoughts are a problem to you both,The Anxiety and Phobia Workbook, a book by Edmound Bourne which helped me with my anxious and worrying thoughts and stopped me thinking them at all.
It is a really good resource and gives you tools to help stop intrusive thoughts and your mind focusing on them or going round and round with a chain of intrusive thoughts.I know it will help.
Tina don't be afraid you can be totally in control and stop the thoughts you don't want for good!

 

[Tina0]

Thank you for your replies. I went to my doctor an explained my thoughts to him. He was a bit worried and said that I was paranoid and experiencing mild psychosis. He gave me anti-psychotic meds to take along with lorazepam and the sertraline. I see a psychiatrist in a couple of weeks for an assessment, I hope I feel better by then as I don't like taking the anti-psychotic meds, I feel like I am drunk. I am very tired and my speech is slower. I won't act on my thoughts, I would rather die. But I feel if things are watching me and reading my thoughts. Scary

 

[Conscience]

If thoughts would determine your actions everybody would be running around killing each other, raping, commiting necrophiliac acts, torturing. Why? Because all the things around you is stored within your sub-conscious, when you read of some sick murderer, rapist it all gets stored. You just assign more meaning to them hence you actual start caring of them. Thoughts are thoughts, none are good or bad; they're just thoughts. To realise the fundament of the brain, you have to portray it as a machine. What happens, what is seen and felt gets handled within it, filtered and stored. Everything that happens within is influenced by an outside source, nothing is 'actually' you unless you choose to act upon it. Again, if bad thoughts caused bad things we would all be living a much more psychotic life.

 

[Conscience]

Tina, I think in terms of what you are experiencing it is common for others to fear that just thinking about something good of bad can make it come true.They call it the power of positive thinking or the Law of Attraction.Books have been written about it and witchcraft practice involves the casting of spells to make good or bad wishes come true.Some say it works if you believe it and doesn't if you disbelieve it.
In our society today we don't believe these things unlike in medieval times when they use to burn women as witches because they thought they could use their thoughts to perform such acts.
Some say we all have these powers to use our minds to influence events but that we have been reduced to our five senses and these powers lay dormant unless awakened.Whatever the truth is do not be disturbed by it, try to keep your personal energy good and positive so you don't think of bad things happening to people you know and stop fearing this power if you think you have it but resolve never to use it for bad only good.

That sounds like some wierd Wiccan stuff. Medieval times and the burning of witches were due to ignorance towards the subject of using herbal treatments and treatments that weren't generally spread by the Christians (due to the fact that they wished to own everything for financial interest). Christians did the same with reading by filling kids with propaganda of their own Anglo-Saxonised beliefs, IMO. The same happened with the Sami people who were destroyed culturally, as they were seen as 'devil' worshipers for their "alternative" way of life. What we hold in our brains do not determine who we are, what we do - but what we actually do determine it. I think you should devote your time to read the old essay by M. Twain on the Human mind as a machine. It's witty and absolutely correct, and gives us a perfect example of the brain as a tool. Not a supernatural, controlling tool as you're implying some would think it could be. Thinking good thoughts can be a motivating factor towards what you do, just as imagining you succeeding in something makes it more likely due to less stress factors and more belief in oneself. This however does not mean that bad thoughts equals bad actions.

In my opinion, Christians were in it for the money and still are. The "fears" you mention are not valid for those who know how to use their brain.

 

[Nicola398]

I totally get what you are saying Conscience and agree to an extent and think too that they tortured and killed people calling them witches for using herbal remedies etc, however there are movements today like wicca and new agers that teach that the material can be made manifest through the power of thought.I am not a wiccan or witchcraft practitioner but have read books and been able to cause things to happen with my energy.Once I turned a car radio on from outside the car and there was no one in it.Or i've thought I hope so and so split up about a couple and they did split up.There are many incidents like that happen to me, and that was before I read the books.Also I have heard voices from the spirit world communicate with me.So although on one level it is true what you say I know the supernatural to be a real phenomena and people can develop supernatural powers and use them, I know it is impossible for someone who thinks as you do to believe it but it is true and many have experienced it and they are not all mad or false satanists, some connect with demons and other nasty entities.The rational explanations don't erase these occurrances one iota but they do say you have to believe it possible for the power to work.I am a Christian and I am not motivated by making money and I adhere to the instruction not to mess with such things but before there was a time i rejected my religion and explored wicca and pagan beliefs and however much you may negate it supernatural powers exist as does telepathy and ESP.Not all Christians are bad though many who call themselves Christians are not good, we are not all prejudiced either and we do not all think homosexuality or sex outside marriage are a sin, such a narrow minded a take on life is primitive and it annoys me that odd narrow minded people are focused on as Christianity in practice when that is not truly following of Christ.

 

[Conscience]

If you were to talk of true "worshipers", take out the Christians who tortured, murdered Heathen men and women as they came from the German border to Scandinavia to bring down the settlements and destroy us with an anglo-saxonised worldview. I do not wish to comment on whether or not there is a supernatural, or an outside force or any force within oneself that can change anything. [moderated] I actually quite enjoyed the idea of a spirit world myself. I specifically love Native American cultural values, spirituality and same goes for Eastern philosophies, Proto-Norse traditions and beliefs. This however does not change the fact that Wiccanism has brought in so many ideals that even were against ancient people's worldview. Many of todays society have very, very little understanding of the events that our ancestors were involved in. This is equal to saying that Heathen, Pagan men would naturally believe that they became one with the bears in ancient history. We very well know that they were simply intoxicated. Is there more to life? Might very well be, I had a big interest in parallel universes.

 

[Conscience]

And may I add.. Most people that today speak of witchcraft are supporters of Wicca movements. If anything they're the cause of why people who actual wished to study withcraft have such a hard time, and I still do believe that humans who wish to go in-depth with any of these "beliefs" have too much time on their hands. Personally, I do hold Pagan beliefs very high. I loved our ancient links between Slavic, Proto-Norse, Greek, Celtic beliefs. I'm also quite sure that they hold their beliefs dearly because it gave them spirit and understanding, each of the different God's and Goddesses were symbols of nature and general qualities in living creatures. If anything I have a much more primal view on the human as being what it is: An animal. We also still have to remember that witchcraft got it's reputation not due to the 'witches' but thanks to the opposing views of Hebrew religions who wished to have dominance. There is a reason why Sami people and their music was banned as they meant it could summon the Devil. There are many things here that are put up by the media, and Hollywood movies have shown 'witchcraft' as the Anglo-Saxon Christian view of it and many occultist groups / Wiccans have taken that example as if it was historically correct.

Edit..
Back to the topic: I decided to interfere as I find it sad of OP were to think that his/her actions would be influenced by the "Good" or the "Bad". This is simply not correct since we know what we store in our sub-conscious and what we keep in our mind. Witchcraft beliefs are in this case invalid - Not because I believe it cannot work, but because I don't see the validity to the subject. OP doesn't wish to inflict bad upon others as OP is afraid of the thoughts. Easy way to put it.