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Stopped by the police

BorderlineDownunder

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Slight difference between murder and seeing the natural human form in public (god forbid)
Comparing the two is ridiculous
not really because what I am comparing is not the act itself but the CONSEQUENCES

if you don't want to come to the attention of Services, don't bike naked down a city street, don't murder someone.

its the same principle.

Resisting an Impulse because to Not Resist it, is to Beg For Trouble.
 
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public obscenity is and nudity is considered public obscenity, especially while dangling off a moving bike frame one presumes.
Only if they can prove intent to shock.
So someone deliberately streaking at a football match would fall under the Sexual offences act, but someone on a nudist beach wouldn't. Proving intent to shock is difficult, which is why prosecution is very unusual.
 
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For some people, public nudity is seen as an absolute right. It is as nature intended.

Murder on the other hand is the worst of the human condition. Denying someone their life just because you are upset is pathetic imo.
 
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public obscenity is and nudity is considered public obscenity, especially while dangling off a moving bike frame one presumes.

that's why people don't run around naked, and why police stopped Shaky.

Are you actually defending this, would you like your next door neighbours to be out walking their dog in front of your kids with their genitalia resting on their thighs in plain view?
Do you not get naked bike ride day in Australia then?

Nudity isn't automatically considered public obscenity at all here. There is a big difference.

I don't think bad of the police for stopping Shaky to check he was OK, it is an unusual activity i agree and it is cold so his welfare is paramount. But I don't think it should automatically have triggered a mental health act assessment. It is an arduous and distressing process to be assessed like that and Shaky was only doing what is healthy for him
 
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Do you not get naked bike ride day in Australia then?

Nudity isn't automatically considered public obscenity at all here. There is a big difference.

I don't think bad of the police for stopping Shaky to check he was OK, it is an unusual activity i agree and it is cold so his welfare is paramount. But I don't think it should automatically have triggered a mental health act assessment. It is an arduous and distressing process to be assessed like that and Shaky was only doing what is healthy for him
we have nude beaches, one just down the road.

but it is supported by a special exemption in the law. the Public Nudity laws do not exist at these beaches, however the payoff for such freedom is the Public Obscenity Law is intact.

do tell - are you all ENCOURAGING a mentally ill person to go out, test the public obscenity laws, fail, and end up in custody?

because all i ever suggested is OP think twice before doing that.

i WANT to go and vandalise this guys fence, spray paint something foul on it, but I'm refraining because i don't want the police to pull up and say, Whats Going On Here Then. :(
 
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do tell - are you all ENCOURAGING a mentally ill person to go out, test the public obscenity laws, fail, and end up in custody?

because all i ever suggested is OP think twice before doing that.
I thought twice.
I thought: I'm slightly psychotic so I'm going to have some fun :)
 
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I thought twice.
I thought: I'm slightly psychotic so I'm going to have some fun :)
yeah those yelly bluebottle pricks aren't my idea of fun :(

the guy whose fence i want to vandalise is a right abuser

his house is on a main truckway, right beside a bus stop and a deli and a phone box and a pizza joint

big tin fence

i could get red spray paint and write abusing asshat on it and every man jack would throw their pie at him :)
 
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The question is (and should be) 'What is one trying to achieve?' (By this behaviour). The OP states that he was feeling slightly psychotic. I'm not sure whether that's a literal use of the word 'psychotic' or a lesser interpretation such as 'playful'. People who are psychotic normally do not realise it, and therefore are liable to act out imagined threats. Being psychotic in public would be grounds enough to be detained.

Anyway, what I find interesting is that the OP wanted conversation. This strikes to the heart of the matter. Had there been a resource to discuss how he was feeling, there's a good chance that he wouldn't have got his bike out, landed up in the hands of the police and then the CMHT, only to get back to where he started.

I was often told to have a number of safety nets in place for if/when I felt I was going off the rails. ie. Things you can do or people you can speak to to help you over the crisis.

In any case, it's best to avoid drawing the attention of the police or certain other professional services. It'll only come back to haunt you.
 
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I was a little bit psychotic last night and went for a bike ride in the nude
My guess is not much could be seen in the dark anyway. Not to worry Shaky, if it was anywhere other than the Disunited Kingdom where they have some kind of Victorian hang-up about the naked form...

now where are those bicycle clips?...
 
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The question is (and should be) 'What is one trying to achieve?' (By this behaviour). The OP states that he was feeling slightly psychotic. I'm not sure whether that's a literal use of the word 'psychotic' or a lesser interpretation such as 'playful'. People who are psychotic normally do not realise it, and therefore are liable to act out imagined threats. Being psychotic in public would be grounds enough to be detained.

Anyway, what I find interesting is that the OP wanted conversation. This strikes to the heart of the matter. Had there been a resource to discuss how he was feeling, there's a good chance that he wouldn't have got his bike out, landed up in the hands of the police and then the CMHT, only to get back to where he started.

I was often told to have a number of safety nets in place for if/when I felt I was going off the rails. ie. Things you can do or people you can speak to to help you over the crisis.

In any case, it's best to avoid drawing the attention of the police or certain other professional services. It'll only come back to haunt you.
I am beginning to wonder if what I have considered 'slightly psychostic' might actually be 'slightly manic' - but with schizo-affective disroder, perhaps there's not much distinction.

Safety nets? It would be lovely to have people I could call at 1:30am in the morning - but how can I ring my friends or family at that time when they have lives of their own - anyway - hardly going ring them in the middle of the night because I am feeling GOOD!
 
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publlc nudity is illegal
Except that here, by statutory law, it isn't. In the UK, public nudity is legal. It's just that most of the public understand and adopt the 'time and a place' method. Naturists use official naturist beaches and on a textile beach you would change using a towel. There is no law that says you must do this and any complainant would need to prove that you did that for the purpose of exposure and self-gratification for there to be any action taken.

Exposure contrary to section 66 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003

This requires a person to intentionally expose their genitals and intend that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress. It is triable either way. Depending on the age of the defendant and the sentence that is imposed, an offender may be subject to the notification provisions (the sex offender register).

The need to prove that the person exposed their genitals intending that someone will see them and be caused alarm or distress means that a naturist whose intention is limited to going about his or her lawful business naked will not be guilty of this offence.

Nudity in public - guidance on handling cases of Naturism
 
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everyones missing the point which is not The Letter of the Law but the fact OP got stopped by police.

He got stopped by police because he was naked in public.

Sure he can probably argue it was dark and no one could see in court, but at the end of the day the Best and Easiest way to avoid coming to Police Attention is to either remain in your house when the Naked desire strikes, or put on a gstring at least so your goolies aren't poking out when they take a good look at you.

If everyone did what they felt like when they felt like it, what would our kids see walking to school?

That's why the police stopped OP. Because he was doing something THEY felt was illegal, and what Police Think Matters.

I find it best to avoid them altogether. A simple scrap of clothing would've prevented all this, or just staying on your own property to Go Nude.
 
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everyone's missing the point
I was detracted by your statement that public nudity was illegal which was incorrect. However, I do agree about staying in the property or at least wearing something.
 
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Except that here, by statutory law, it isn't. In the UK, public nudity is legal. It's just that most of the public understand and adopt the 'time and a place' method. Naturists use official naturist beaches and on a textile beach you would change using a towel. There is no law that says you must do this and any complainant would need to prove that you did that for the purpose of exposure and self-gratification for there to be any action taken.
How come that nudist famously got locked up in the uK? Then when he was released he was arrested straight away again because he was a naturist so was till naked.

How can they define between someone who is naked to annoy/shock people and a naturist?
 
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