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'Spiritual' people at higher risk of mental health problems.

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Having educated myself on spiritual matters, I am a calmer person now. My fear of death has eased, and I notice I have a craving for spirituality. I am not bothered about material pursuits as I was before. I think it has helped me on my mental health journey. When I was younger and going through the early stages of psychosis, I was effectively an atheist. Whilst this give me freedom to live, without the fear of being judged it also drove me mad in the pursuit to do everything in life so I would not miss out.

Now I know, that it does not matter about doings things like a bucket list, I am more chilled and more content to 'just be'.

In short I find this whole thread baffling and ridiculous.

I would wager that the spirituality touted by these newspapers is some phoney yoga type of anti-socialness.
 
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Kerome.
Does this help?
Yeah it does, it makes it clear that they do not know, and cannot know, how the relationship between spirituality and mental illness works. They only know that there is a relationship, not what causes what. And the fact that they say they do is an erroneous conclusion.
 
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I believe that spiritual people may be more sensitive to unseen negative forces in our environment. For me, spiritual means being more aware of an innate need to have purpose and meaning.
 
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Within psychosis/mental disorder how much can there be/is there spiritual pathology/delusions - it happens too. A lot also written on that subject. What is healthy & unhealthy spirituality? i think it's complex.

What are genuine spiritual experiences (positive & negative) & what is part of a psychotic disorder?
 
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Yes, I would agree with you there cpu. How we define spiritual health and how we define what is positive and negative may differ though.
 
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Yes, I would agree with you there cpu. How we define spiritual health and how we define what is positive and negative may differ though.
It probably does differ.

Probably very hard to separate & individual/complex - i've had what i'd very much consider to be delusional spiritual/religious beliefs & also genuine spiritual experiences.
 
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Same. I've had definitely genuine spiritual / religious experiences where I was aware / cognisant / knew what was going on (to a degree) - felt like I still had some control over the situation etc, and where beforehand and afterwards I had also been 'normal / sane' i.e functioning perfectly normally and carrying on with life as per usual.
I've also had strange mh related things happen to me and I would say the two are definitely not the same.
 
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Were David Koresh, Jim Jones & many other such examples genuinely spiritual? Or could we say that there was some kind of pathology going on?
 
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Yes, I agree with that. For JWs, a truly spiritual experience is one that shows us that God has maneuvered matters in such a way that it could only be him that made some event happen in our favour. For example, we may be about to leave the area we are preaching in, when someone will have the urge to do just one more house. In some cases, the householder was either desperate for help and praying to God or in one case, they were about to commit suicide. From our stand point it seems to indicate to us that God directed us to that house, even though we were initially going to leave.
 
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Were David Koresh, Jim Jones & many other such examples genuinely spiritual? Or could we say that there was some kind of pathology going on?
That's a difficult one. Perhaps David honestly thought he was the messiah or maybe he was just using the mentality of the local people for selfish gain. Here in NZ there is a compound called Gloriavale, it's had a lot of attention lately.
 
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Were David Koresh, Jim Jones & many other such examples genuinely spiritual? Or could we say that there was some kind of pathology going on?
Personally - and this is only my view from watching several documentaries about both of them, I would say that when one man (or woman) seeks to take the role of the 'only' way to God, or to claim to speak for God and no one else can or is speaking truth, then you're in the area of pathology and not spirituality.
I don't believe God limits the ways or the poeple that we can communicate with him, or he with us, and I don't believe we need an intermediary to connect to God. Ergo, anyone claiming that they are the only channel to God is on shaky ground.
 
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Personally - and this is only my view from watching several documentaries about both of them, I would say that when one man (or woman) seeks to take the role of the 'only' way to God, or to claim to speak for God and no one else can or is speaking truth, then you're in the area of pathology and not spirituality.
I don't believe God limits the ways or the poeple that we can communicate with him, or he with us, and I don't believe we need an intermediary to connect to God. Ergo, anyone claiming that they are the only channel to God is on shaky ground.
Isn't the core Christian Teaching that the only way to God is through Jesus Christ?
 
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Which is what Jim Jones and David Koresh were also claiming - that the way to the christian God was through them and them only.
Islam might be a way to God, as might Judaism, or Hinduism or Sikhism or Rastafarianism or whateverism. They could all be paths to God. I think there's trouble when one (hu)man or woman claims to be the only way to that deity.
As Jesus was/is God, revealing himself to humanity in human form [different from being human as we know it] (as Christians believe) then that's kind of a non argument, imo.
 
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Personally - and this is only my view from watching several documentaries about both of them, I would say that when one man (or woman) seeks to take the role of the 'only' way to God, or to claim to speak for God and no one else can or is speaking truth, then you're in the area of pathology and not spirituality.
I don't believe God limits the ways or the poeple that we can communicate with him, or he with us, and I don't believe we need an intermediary to connect to God. Ergo, anyone claiming that they are the only channel to God is on shaky ground.
Viewing this from another angle, doesn't God have the right to choose a people for himself? And if he does then who are we to question him? Of it may just look the other way around to outsiders...

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm an outsider to Jews, Mainstream Christians, Hindus, Muslims etc :)

We use Micah 4: 5 to show that each nation will walk in the name of its god. Today isn't that true?
 
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