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I'm looking to connect with those who identify as sociopaths for honest and truthful answers to.some questions I have. I would really appreciate some insight into the mind of someone who thinks they may be a sociopath. Can anyone help?
 
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There are Two opposites, the Psychopath and, the Sociopath . .

Psychopaths believe they can do what-ever, they want, they're Basically what you Could name, As evil . .

Sociopaths are a Sub-version, of the Psychopath, who is Simply An evil person, Doesn't care, Doesn't have Empathy . . Sociopaths are the OPPOSITE - - They Have too much Empathy, And, They Care, Far too Much, About others, I'll explain, But that's what Makes them Criminals, Too ! !

If I see some-one stealing, an Apple or, an oranges - - I Might say, this person deserves a punishment, For stealing ! ! A Normal person, not a Sociopath, might say, This Needs to Give a Warning, and, Maybe a small fine, then Justice is Met . .

A Sociopath is Far too strict, He'll say, For stealing an apple, Ten years - - In prison, or Severe beating, And So on . .

A Sociopath will there-fore " Over-punish " Any crime, they see . .

Does that make sense, Psychopaths don't believe, in Any law, but Sociopathy begins, When you Make the Law far Too harsh, Then justice is ignored . . . Do you understand how the police Can also be Criminals, If they go Too far, And Start hurting Prisoners, Far more, Than they Deserve . .

Too much Law is also, A crime . . A Sociopath is Someone who behaves, That way - - He " Over-punishes " Others, for small crimes . . Then the Law becomes An instrument, Of evil X xx

That's what a Sociopath is ! !!
 
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Thanks for your reply. I thought psychopaths and sociopaths were basically the same. People who lacked emotions such as guilt and love etc. I'm trying to understand the mind of someone who.lacks these emotions and how it makes them feel knowing they don't have the same emotions as " typical people" do they want to have those emotions or are they happy they don't or just indifferent.
 
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Thanks for your reply. I thought psychopaths and sociopaths were basically the same. People who lacked emotions such as guilt and love etc. I'm trying to understand the mind of someone who.lacks these emotions and how it makes them feel knowing they don't have the same emotions as " typical people" do they want to have those emotions or are they happy they don't or just indifferent.
I don't think Jbb79's description of a sociopath is particularly accurate.
The distinctions are difficult to understand.
This is quite a good article:
How to Tell a Sociopath from a Psychopath
 
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Jbb79 description isn't quite right.
The difference between "sociopath" and "psychopath" are that a psychopath is born with a lack of empathy and a sociopath because of a traumatic experience or a way of survival starts to behave has if he doesn't have empathy. Plus, by norm a psychopath is narcissist by norm while a sociopath isn't.
This said, both of the names are more of a mainstream nomenclature and both of the problems are some kind of schizoid personality disorder wich is basically a personality disorder where you have a lack of empathy, interest in human relationships, emotional coldness, etc.
 
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Jbb79 description isn't quite right.
The difference between "sociopath" and "psychopath" are that a psychopath is born with a lack of empathy and a sociopath because of a traumatic experience or a way of survival starts to behave has if he doesn't have empathy. Plus, by norm a psychopath is narcissist by norm while a sociopath isn't.
This said, both of the names are more of a mainstream nomenclature and both of the problems are some kind of schizoid personality disorder wich is basically a personality disorder where you have a lack of empathy, interest in human relationships, emotional coldness, etc.
THE REAL DIFFERENCE, in my opinion, IS THE PSYCO DOES NOT HAVE ANY REGARD FOR ANY LIFE, OR CARES AT ALL ABOUT SOCIETY RULES OR CONSEQUENCES. I believe that THE SOCIO CARES EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT THEMSELVES, YET IS INSECURE IN THEIR ABILITY TO KEEP THEIR LIES IN ORDER. In my opinion BOTH ARE NARCISSISTS.
 
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Jbb79 description isn't quite right.
The difference between "sociopath" and "psychopath" are that a psychopath is born with a lack of empathy and a sociopath because of a traumatic experience or a way of survival starts to behave has if he doesn't have empathy. Plus, by norm a psychopath is narcissist by norm while a sociopath isn't.
This said, both of the names are more of a mainstream nomenclature and both of the problems are some kind of schizoid personality disorder wich is basically a personality disorder where you have a lack of empathy, interest in human relationships, emotional coldness, etc.
I swear you just described me and what I was diagnosed with by my psychiatrist. Thank you for your input.
 
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Look up DoctorRamini on YouTube. Also look up Sam Vaknin. Both specialists in the field. Sam is a self confessed sociopath and gives plenty of insight from a sufferers point of view, whereas Ramini describes it more from the psychologists perspective. I hope it helps. Also work reading ‘The Empathy Trap’ if you have suffered in the hands of a sociopath or malignant narcissist.
 
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Look up DoctorRamini on YouTube. Also look up Sam Vaknin. Both specialists in the field. Sam is a self confessed sociopath and gives plenty of insight from a sufferers point of view, whereas Ramini describes it more from the psychologists perspective. I hope it helps. Also work reading ‘The Empathy Trap’ if you have suffered in the hands of a sociopath or malignant narcissist.
They are good both, Ramani and Vaknin. I would suggest also Doctor Todd Grande (YouTube). He's good when comes to psychopathy, sociopaty, NPD and many more. He is more appropriate to watch for those who suffer from sociopathy, when Dr Ramani is more appropriate for those who are in a relationship with a sociopath.

I think Sam Vaknim is a psychopath and not a sociopath. I've seen the documentary and when he was tested for mental ilness they said he has a lot in common with psychiatric patients, also they revealed he suffers from psychopathy if I'm remembering well.
 
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I'll answer any questions about sociopathy and psychopathy that anyone has. I can only answer from my own experiences though. I cannot speak on behalf of anyone else with sociopathy or psychopathy.

As for me personally, I was clinically diagnosed with AsPD. It doesn't matter if I'm a sociopath or a psychopath because neither is a diagnosable condition anyway. I meet a lot of the criteria for psychopathy and have been this way my entire life, so I am certainly in a position to respond to any questions you may have.

So, ask anything you want and I will do my best to respond to your questions when I can. Anyone else here with sociopathy or psychopathy can answer them as well and maybe we'll have questions for each other.
 
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I'll answer any questions about sociopathy and psychopathy that anyone has. I can only answer from my own experiences though. I cannot speak on behalf of anyone else with sociopathy or psychopathy.

As for me personally, I was clinically diagnosed with AsPD. It doesn't matter if I'm a sociopath or a psychopath because neither is a diagnosable condition anyway. I meet a lot of the criteria for psychopathy and have been this way my entire life, so I am certainly in a position to respond to any questions you may have.

So, ask anything you want and I will do my best to respond to your questions when I can. Anyone else here with sociopathy or psychopathy can answer them as well and maybe we'll have questions for each other.
Hello, thanks for your offer to respond to questions regarding sociopathy and psychopathy. Recently a childhood friend and I got back in touch...after a few decades. After a few conversations he told me that he is a psychopath. He has severe psychopathic traits. Sometimes when I speak to him his voice is absolutely flat and emotionless, and I have read about the flat affect. He has also told me that he feels angry all the time.

So I’d like to ask, how much do you feel? Do you also sometimes display a lack of emotion? Do you also feel anger all the time? Do you know what the source of that anger is?
at what age did you realise that you were different to the people around you? Did you mimic the responses and behaviours of others so that you could ‘pass’ as it were?
Do you feel any emotion if you see an animal or person in pain?
I’d appreciate your responses.
 
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How much do you feel? Do you also sometimes display a lack of emotion?
The majority of the time the only thing I feel is boredom. I do experience emotions, but they're very brief and fleeting. The emotion is there and it's gone again, and I mean in seconds. Sometimes it might last a little bit longer. It just depends on the situation. Most of the time I don't feel anything at all emotionally, aside from boredom, but boredom isn't an emotion. It's a state of mind.
With all that said, below the surface I feel constant rage. I don't know what's causing that but it feels really good. I know this will probably sound a bit dramatic if you can't relate - it feels like there is a savage beast inside me constantly craving destruction and violence.

It should be remembered that every socio or psychopath is different on some level because there could be other things affecting that person's mental health as well, so my experiences may not be the same as the person you know who is a socio or psychopath, or someone else's.

Do you also feel anger all the time? Do you know what the source of that anger is?
I can certainly feel anger at times and that too can feel really good (though, not always), like a mini high or rush. I don't feel anger all the time, but as mentioned previously, I do feel rage all the time (under the surface). The anger I feel at times is usually caused by irritation in one form or another - I have low frustration tolerance and I'm very short on patience.
The two things that piss me off the most are being disrespected and when my expectations aren't met. I can get angry at the drop of a hat, but I also get over it very quickly. When I'm over it, you'd never know that I was very angry just before.

at what age did you realise that you were different to the people around you? Did you mimic the responses and behaviours of others so that you could ‘pass’ as it were?
I couldn't tell you what specific. It wasn't long after I started school that I first began to notice other kids were more emotional than I was and they were wanting to form bonds with each, which I had no interest in. I also noticed the difference with my siblings who seemed to have a close to connection to our mother and enjoyed hugging her. I didn't. Hugging just didn't do anything for me. I felt no connection to my mother at all. In a sense she was more like a stranger to me. Another thing I noticed was the anxiety other kids experienced when separated from their parents. I never experienced that.
I felt like an alien growing up - just really different from others. I really couldn't relate to anyone and had to learn to mimic emotion to blend in. Nowadays I feel like the normal one and everybody else is the alien. Well, to some degree anyway. Oftentimes I expect others to think and feel the way I do, but that's usually not the case.
 
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Thank you for that. So what happens when you give in to this savage beast that's craving destruction and violence? Or do you not give in? Do you get a high when you are violent? Do you ever try to stop yourself from being violent? The person I know enjoys his violence, he loves the fact that some people are terrified of him, he feels omnipotent.
Is anything off limits for you? From what I've read and observed, the combination of lack of empathy, lack of fear, need for extreme experiences to feel stimulated, sense of entitlement, egocentricity and low impulse control leads to devastation for people around someone with severe psychopathic traits. So of all the destructive things that you could do and want to do, do you have a red line?
Do you have any close relationships? How do you feel about people generally? Do you love anyone?
 
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So what happens when you give in to this savage beast that's craving destruction and violence? Or do you not give in?
I have given in in the past in ways that I won't go into. When I give in it's usually because temptation is right front of me and I can't resist it. I want to do what I want to do and I'm not usually thinking beyond the moment when that happens.

Do you get a high when you are violent?
Yeah, absolutely. I often feel like I'm ten foot tall, made of steel and can take on the world and when I'm violent it sort of validates that feeling. Obviously I know I'm not ten foot tall or made of steel. It's just a strong sense of confidence that makes me feel that way.
With that said, there are times where I've been violent and I didn't feel anything at all. I just did what I wanted to do and that was that.

Do you ever try to stop yourself from being violent?
Yes and no. When I decide to act, I act and I don't care to stop myself then. All I'm thinking about is what I want and I go for it. If I decide to not be violent it's because I'm not physically close to the person I want to hurt or kill and can't get to them for some reason yet, or because I knew there was no way I could do it without getting caught.
As an example: I was traveling on a bus once and this woman got on the bus at a later stop. Something about her made me want to kill her real bad, and I mean real bad. Normally when I see potential prey I have no problem controlling the urge to kill, but something about that woman just drove me wild. She sat in the seat in front of mine and I could smell her perfume. All I could think about was killing her right there on that bus, in front of everybody. The urge to act was so intense my hands had begun to shake. What made it even worse was I was actually carrying a hunting knife on me at the time, so I could have easily killed her, but somehow I managed to stop myself from acting on the urge. I'm certain it was her perfume that triggered me, but I don't know why because although I've had a desire to kill pretty much all my life, the urge to act has never felt that intense before, and her perfume is what I remember most about that situation.

The person I know enjoys his violence, he loves the fact that some people are terrified of him, he feels omnipotent.
I can certainly relate to that. It's the sense of power that comes from it and the feeling of dominance over others. I also like threatening and intimidating people because it produces a similar feeling.

Is anything off limits for you? From what I've read and observed, the combination of lack of empathy, lack of fear, need for extreme experiences to feel stimulated, sense of entitlement, egocentricity and low impulse control leads to devastation for people around someone with severe psychopathic traits. So of all the destructive things that you could do and want to do, do you have a red line?
No, not really. The only red line for me is the amount of risk involved. I like taking big risks, but I'm not gonna do something illegal in front of a bunch of witnesses knowing there's no way I could avoid getting caught. I may be impulsive in a lot of ways, but I don't entirely lack self-control.

Do you have any close relationships? How do you feel about people generally? Do you love anyone?
I don't have any close relationships. I don't know if I've just never learned to bond with people or I just can't. All I know is I've never had a desire to.
I feel contempt towards humanity in general (not hate. I don't care enough to hate anyone) because, the way I see it, everyone else is below me. They're just 'things' that are either useful or useless.
I've never experienced love for someone. People have told me they loved me and I didn't feel anything about it. I have a daughter who I care about, but it's a caring that comes with expectation. It's kinda like caring about my computer in a way. There's no emotional attachment. It's more of a caring based on making sure it continues to be useful to me.
I say there's no emotional attachment to my daughter because when I think about her dying it has no affect on me. It's strange because I do want her to be happy and successful in life. I just think if she dies, well, shit happens.
 
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I really can't say that I'd have feelings - I lack some of them and the rest.. I don't have feelings in the sense that most people define them and I've had to learn how to read people and their emotions over the years to have an idea about what emotions mean to them and how they express them. If I show emotion, it's a result of practice, planning and I even though I can play it out, I probably don't come very close to really understanding what it means to have the emotion I'm displaying.

I was just a kid when I first noticed that other people are different and I figured it out quite soon what is considered as "normal" and what works with other people so I learned how to work with the cards I was dealt. I guess I just wanted to blend in at first, in a way, but it didn't take long to understand that knowing the rules of the game everyone else is playing, I got more tools to influence it. I have learned how to mimic the emotions, expressions and way of talking about emotions through paying attention (not to mention trial and error) as learning how to play this social game has been useful to me.

I wouldn't say that I'd feel anger all the time, actually I pretty rarely do. I guess that is because most things don't mean anything to me, I don't respond emotionally to things someone else might react to so I just don't see a need to react in any way. I I don't automatically see people as potential victims, someone to step on or someone to murder just because I can. With that said: I don't have, want or need close relationship. I don't have emotions, including love, towards people. I could say I'm loyal to some of my family members and if someone's worth it, I can respect people (for logical reasons). I don't love them, I don't feel attached to them but I can treat them in a way that they can interpret as an expression of me appreciating them.
 
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