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Schizophrenia Has Ruined My Life

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Apotheosis

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Apo said:
"As far as I can gather - you haven't really tripped. I don't think you are at liberty to discuss what a proper hallucinogenic trip is really like."
Zwish said:
That is very patronizing and silly thing to say, and I am not going to even raise to that bait.
LOL - It isn't bait, & nor is it patronising or silly. It is I would consider an honest & accurate observation & very valid & pertinent question.

Zwish said:
You do not seem to absorb and I am ending going round and round in circles with you............hah, maybe that is cool, but I would like you to grasp what I mean but you are beginning to say silly things.
Oh please Zwish - Absorb what? Psychedelics are good?

Zwish said:
You have never even read The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and yet call it 'hippy tripe' or whatever. Allegro wasn't even a 'hippy' he was one of a few selcted males with the educational experience (philologist) picked to examine the Dead Sea Scrolls. So please............spare me
I have read synopses of it - I know the type of thing it says - it's one persons opinion. That he was picked to examine the dead sea scrolls is inconsequential. I studied the Bible, by reading it for 4 - 6 hours a day for 4 years. I have subsequently studied much thinking & theology around the Abrahamic religions, as well as some Gnostic & mystical perspectives.

To assume that the tree in the garden of Eden is a direct symbol to, & has sole meaning of it being about hallucinogens - I think is very silly.

I have a good friend who is one of only very few people qualified to give opinion on certain ancient Jewish texts. He is fluent in ancient Aramaic. Not many of them about - I would give him a laugh with this - but I think that he would just find it insulting.

Zwish said:
Also, it is you who apparently own this site so when you suggest I am being irresponsible talking about psychedelics, excuse me for thinking there is a power thing going on---------?? I have been kicked off too many forums to mention without even THAT 'warning'. if you didn't mean that then sorry for mis-judging your intentions
I don't own this site, no, far from it. I just see myself as another poster/forum member - no different. I was stating my opinion about your posting; & I would have posted the same things whether I was a moderator or not. The thought of banning you never crossed my mind.

Zwish said:
Again, tis you --ironically--suggesting people take very large doses very often....? When I tell you I haven't had psychedelic experience in 3 years you are almost tellin me off:scared:...
I was being ironic - I have no opinion one way or the other if people take drugs or not. I would rather that people didn't, but that is their choice. I won't go over what I have posted already. I think I have made my points clearly in relation to all this. I wasn't suggesting that people take large doses very often - I was suggesting that you did.

Zwish said:
I am sorry, like I have said before, that you had a bad time with psychedelics, but take responsibility for your own actions and don't impose them on everyone else. I have pointed you to evidence that there is VAST potential for very good results. But I do not recommend recreational Tripping!! Hope I have made that clear!
I haven't seen any of that evidence from what you have posted!???

& as I have already stated before - I didn't have a bad time with psychedelics! - I concluded that they are a dead end!

What is recreational Tripping? As opposed to your 'Serious' Tripping? Do you get dressed in robes? Or paint yourself Blue & dance around a Fire? I don't see the distinction? Can you explain this please.

Candidly - No - I don't think that you have made anything clear in how people should safely take drugs, & that is partly the reason why I have posted what I have done. We can debate how much is 'VAST potential for very good results' - because I certainly wouldn't agree with that at all.

There are very obvious dangers to these substances - dangers that I think you are all too aware - & is largely evidenced in the reason that you have stopped taking drugs, & have only taken them very tentatively & in very very tiny amounts.
 
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I am afraid you have become very disrespectful towards me, so I am going to have to call any more discussion off
 
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I am afraid you have become very disrespectful towards me, so I am going to have to call any more discussion off
I am sorry that you feel that way - I don't feel that I have been disrespectful - candid & honest yes, a bit blunt maybe. I thought that I had made some very pertinent & interesting points; & I don't know why you don't wish to discuss them? :(
 
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I am sorry that you feel that way - I don't feel that I have been disrespectful - candid & honest yes, a bit blunt maybe. I thought that I had made some very pertinent & interesting points; & I don't know why you don't wish to discuss them? :(
errrrm because you were dissin me...? it is very hard to deal with that. If I am to ignore it it will carry on, and make me more agrieved, resentful. So I don't need that. Rather it is YOU who should be understanding when you are being disrespectful, and the difference between that and being "candid & honest, and blunt"

I can be very frank, but I know the difference

You can tell a woman she has a fat arse--which is disrespectful--to her feelings, and if she reacts say 'oh chill OUT I was just being honest'....A lot of cruelty hides behind that word

This is downright rude:

Originally Posted by Apo
"As far as I can gather - you haven't really tripped. I don't think you are at liberty to discuss what a proper hallucinogenic trip is really like."

I wouldn't DREAM of speaking to anyone like that!
 
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Apo said:
"As far as I can gather - you haven't really tripped. I don't think you are at liberty to discuss what a proper hallucinogenic trip is really like."

I wouldn't DREAM of speaking to anyone like that!
What is wrong with saying that? I see nothing disrespectful in saying this!?

It is a pertinent & valid point, & I would think all the more pertinent seeing as you are extolling the virtues of the use of hallucinogenic drugs.

Given what you have told me about your drug experiences (which is very little) - I think that you would get more altered conscious from having a common cold!

It is a very fair comment to make. Try a brew of 800 mushrooms - instead of 8! - try 6-10 Tabs of LSD - instead of Half - Try 3-5 Grammes of Ketamine as well - Then get back to me & give me the low down on hallucinogenics.

You are the one advocating their use - I am Not. If you are so keen on their effects & usage - then I think that the least you can do is properly take them!

I fail to see how that is an either rude or disrespectful comment to make!
 
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If you want to talk about disrespect -

I'm not proud of it; & don't think it clever that I was in active addiction for 17 years - far from it. & it isn't nice to insinuate that I did it all for a buzz; & that I should take responsibility. The reason that I have had years of sobriety is precisely that I am responsible today; & I do take pride in a continued recovery. This also make me think that you know little about actual drug taking/addiction - people take drugs for many & multiple reasons - to get a buzz is usually a minor part of it. I have had so many friends die from drugs that I have lost count - I have seen & heard things that would make you hair stand on end.

I used to have all the same thinking that you have around hallucinogenics - not now after seeing friends die & go insane.

& yet you speak to me as if I'm some kind of ignorant retard, that hasn't lived. Not someone that has quite literally been to hell because of drugs (& in part the substances you are promoting) - & clawed my way back out of it.

& then call me disrespectful!!!
 
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