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schitzophrenia and work

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Hi y'all this debate is fascinating to me even if it's not on the Debating Forum Please keep posting l will keep reading your posts. :thanks:
 
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have you a job for me and what job do you suggest?
It's not for me to suggest a job for you Rambo.
The question should be
What do you want to do?
What would you like to do?
What do you like to do as a hobby
Is there a way I can combine the two.

Modifying does not mean cuts and once again you have disregarded my statement and just to be clear for the 7th time I shall put it in bold
The benefit system should be modified do it makes it easier for those with illnesses to float in and out of the benefit system and stop the lengthy wait and reassessments this would provide an incentive to work as the current system is inflexible and does not cater for those with ongoing health problems.

Ok. I won't repeat that again as I have put this many times. Now is it your insecurities that presume I am benefit bashing you or do you just not see what I am writing.

Also again
Work when you can don't work when you can't.......what's wrong with this statement?

Use your degree in psychology on yourself instead of probing my supposed insecurities.

Or just change the context of this post to suit your own needs
 
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Yes i hear reform the benefit system, i've heard it for at least a decade by blairs right wing goverment and the torys, the reality is cuts increasing homelessness etc, people begging, prostitution, i think some are into introducing that american system you talk about when i complain

and i'm deeply worried
 
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It's not for me to suggest a job for you Rambo.
The question should be
What do you want to do?
What would you like to do?
What do you like to do as a hobby
Is there a way I can combine the two.

but that job doesn't exist in the real world i'm not given that choice
 
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It's not for me to suggest a job for you Rambo.
The question should be
What do you want to do?
What would you like to do?
What do you like to do as a hobby
Is there a way I can combine the two.

but that job doesn't exist in the real world i'm not given that choice
Jobs are not given to you rambo. You have to find one. You are given a choice and help is at hand to find a suitable job for your needs and by law adequate modifications must be given to those with disabilities.

Now before you say that this does not happen in the real world I have a list here of employers who strive to help and are fully inclusive of every person's needs.
 
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Jobs are not given to you rambo. You have to find one. You are given a choice and help is at hand to find a suitable job for your needs and by law adequate modifications must be given to those with disabilities.

Now before you say that this does not happen in the real world I have a list here of employers who strive to help and are fully inclusive of every person's needs.
you have a list of employers, i'd like to hear it, they may pay lip service to certain things but they want an employee whose disability doesn't effect their work performance

and that wasn't your original claim
 
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it's a very small step from been told i can work to been told my benefits are stopped because i can support myself through work
 
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Rambo. Who has told you you can work? Me..... No.

I have said...... Please do not make me repeat it again. Work if you can don't if you can't...... You feel that due to your illness you can not work. That's precisely what I am talking about...... Its a personal choice and if you are not up to it due to illness then don't work.

You have passed an assessment saying you do not have to work...

What more do you want?
You say you are too sick to work yet in other posts you say its impossible to find a suitable job...... Why are you even discussing this when the dwp have found you unfit..... Why are you saying that jobs don't exist for people with mental health problems.

There is a whole lists of whys that I have for you.

You get esa and pip. So what's the problem? Why do you think you are being benefit bashed when it's clear from the start that I say if you can't work then don't.

I really give up as it is like talking to a brick wall. You choose to ignore what anyone says to you.
 
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Rambo. Who has told you you can work? Me..... No.

I have said...... Please do not make me repeat it again. Work if you can don't if you can't...... You feel that due to your illness you can not work. That's precisely what I am talking about...... Its a personal choice and if you are not up to it due to illness then don't work.

You have passed an assessment saying you do not have to work...

What more do you want?
You say you are too sick to work yet in other posts you say its impossible to find a suitable job...... Why are you even discussing this when the dwp have found you unfit..... Why are you saying that jobs don't exist for people with mental health problems.

There is a whole lists of whys that I have for you.

You get esa and pip. So what's the problem? Why do you think you are being benefit bashed when it's clear from the start that I say if you can't work then don't.

I really give up as it is like talking to a brick wall. You choose to ignore what anyone says to you.
you im a previous post came up with a list of employers that will employ disabled people, am i not disabled, sounds like your expecting me to work

i had another of those assessments last xmas the work capability questionairre, seems some are questioning things, as my case has been closed etc etc i had great difficulty defusing the form

it's language used like yours that justifies benefit bashing, most of it is you just repeating the words of the sun and daily mail as repeated to you by your so called mates, having a family you probably get that contact at the school gate

just to add when certain comments are tolerated on a web site for the mentally ill were a large no are on benefits but johnsons burka comment gets judged well thats why i hate political correctness
 
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And?

Where have I actually said that you do not deserve your benefit. It was you who said you were unfit for work. I don't have a problem with those who are too sick to work as I have stated over and over again.
I am done with this now. I don't feel the need to add in nearly all of my posts a remark about the dwp like you do.

I am done with it. My point gets twisted and the facts ignored.

I have far better things to do than go on and on about how bad a certain government department is......... Oh hang on that's just what you do.

If you do not like what I have to say then click the ignore button.

Have a good day
 
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fazza read you've been having problems getting benefits, you will if you've been working with schitzo, thats one of the reasons i'm reluctant to even go down that route, it'd take a lot of effort just to be punished for trying, and you've asked for your case to be closed, it'll be hard to reopen it

maybe they think your fit and can do another job, and think they're motivating you to do so, you did say work when well don't work when ill
 
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Why are you continuing to fuel this pointless argument Rambo.? There is little point as you don't listen to anyone else point of view.

Press the ignore button. Rambo. That's what it's for if you do not like what I say.


Work when you can and don't work when you can't is a very basic principle and I have stated throughout that a benefit system modification would be needed to allow a more flexable approach.

This statement for some reason has sent you off on a tangent. For no reason.

Sorry about the bold font mods. I am in the rain with my phone so typing quickly.
 
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i meant to say you have my sympathy and i can see where your coming from
 
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i meant to say you have my sympathy and i can see where your coming from
it's not much fun been on benefits as i said to my gp i feel like i've got to prove i'm ill and it's doing my head in
 
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