fazza
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There is not a fucking world of difference look up the diagnosis of both.
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fazza
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Such a shame there is a 5 min max exit time as I could put a lot more.
How dare you use the "my diagnosis is worse than yours card"
Schizo affective is a debilitating illness just like schizophrenia depression anxiety and bi polar. But guess what. There are people in the world today working and living with terminal cancer and other who are suffering but don't go on forums basically moaning and bitchi about how the world owes me a living.
If you can work then work.
If not take what's on offer.
How dare you use the "my diagnosis is worse than yours card"
Schizo affective is a debilitating illness just like schizophrenia depression anxiety and bi polar. But guess what. There are people in the world today working and living with terminal cancer and other who are suffering but don't go on forums basically moaning and bitchi about how the world owes me a living.
If you can work then work.
If not take what's on offer.
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ramboghettouk
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i'm bitching about the way the torys are using work as a way of attacking the welfare state, if people can work theres no need to pay benefits
i never said it was easy for you those same torys paying tax credit to only 2 kids doesn't help
incidentally theres a lot of difference stigma speaking between schitzoprenia and schitzoaffective
i never said it was easy for you those same torys paying tax credit to only 2 kids doesn't help
incidentally theres a lot of difference stigma speaking between schitzoprenia and schitzoaffective
fazza
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Total rubbish.
Please define schizo affective disorder.
Show me the differences between schizophrenia and schizo affective.
Who brought in employment support allowance? The torys or labour?
Everyone should basically do the best of there ability to work and contribute to their own future. Yet some will just sit back on a laptop and moan about how the state is all take take take.
Bless your socks that we live in this country and not others where basically you get fuck all and have to rely on your family. Then come back and moan how bad our benifits system is.
Its not great but it can be far far worse.
Next do a benifits calculator and see how much a family is better off working or on benifits. The difference is tiny as we still have to pay full rent like everyone else who is working.
So you will then say "well there is no point working" and then become like everyone else who moans. Difference is i work even though I get very little out of it but I do get pride fresh air and comradery.
Or perhaps I should just say "fuck it" where's my laptop I am just going to have a moan today about how shit the country is and how my illness stops me from doing anything positive..
Please define schizo affective disorder.
Show me the differences between schizophrenia and schizo affective.
Who brought in employment support allowance? The torys or labour?
Everyone should basically do the best of there ability to work and contribute to their own future. Yet some will just sit back on a laptop and moan about how the state is all take take take.
Bless your socks that we live in this country and not others where basically you get fuck all and have to rely on your family. Then come back and moan how bad our benifits system is.
Its not great but it can be far far worse.
Next do a benifits calculator and see how much a family is better off working or on benifits. The difference is tiny as we still have to pay full rent like everyone else who is working.
So you will then say "well there is no point working" and then become like everyone else who moans. Difference is i work even though I get very little out of it but I do get pride fresh air and comradery.
Or perhaps I should just say "fuck it" where's my laptop I am just going to have a moan today about how shit the country is and how my illness stops me from doing anything positive..
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ramboghettouk
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when it took 2 yrs of appeals to get to a tribunal for dla i thought maybe the goverment thinks i should work so i turned up at the job centre were this guy said he thought i was unfit for work, that by no means is the only time
i asked the gp if he thought i was capable of work he said on those drugs your capable of anything
we're in totally different situations, i'd say the fact you consider yourself as capable of work says a lot about your level of illness as compared to mine
i asked the gp if he thought i was capable of work he said on those drugs your capable of anything
we're in totally different situations, i'd say the fact you consider yourself as capable of work says a lot about your level of illness as compared to mine
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ramboghettouk
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all i can say about children is on balance i'm glad i haven't got them but when my ex used to phone and ask me to come round and make a baby i went round and told myself if a baby did result i'd do my best to bring it up
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Zoe1
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I think Fazza you are expressing ' the work ethic '
amongst other things
some of us dont believe that ' work ' is the main priority in life
besides in my case I have ME as well as schizophrenia
and a drug addict brother to care for
half the day I'm just flat out with exhaustion
and your attitude can be damaging to the confidence
of someone who cant do what you do
which brings into play other varieties of ethic
amongst other things
some of us dont believe that ' work ' is the main priority in life
besides in my case I have ME as well as schizophrenia
and a drug addict brother to care for
half the day I'm just flat out with exhaustion
and your attitude can be damaging to the confidence
of someone who cant do what you do
which brings into play other varieties of ethic
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ramboghettouk
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the whole thing makes me uncomfortable, went to a meeting wed the grant for my befriender mentor service is been stopped, brent labour council to meet it's statutory obligations to people like me is going to replace it with the shaw trust, a past dwp work provider, any support i get from them will be in a back to work format, i'd rather have support than be pushed into work i might find problematical
ever since the welfare reforms under labour it's been drip drip, universal credit rumbleing away in the background will be another cut to encourage me to work, how?
ever since the welfare reforms under labour it's been drip drip, universal credit rumbleing away in the background will be another cut to encourage me to work, how?
fazza
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And what is wrong with the work ethic??
How can by me saying "if you can not work then don't" be damaging?
We all work whether it be paid or not. i.e as carers for children or family members but the moment the question of paid work and illness then the work ethic situation goes out of the window.
My point is that there needs to be a felxable benifit sytem that allows people who have physical and mental illneses the flexability to float in and out of the system more easy than it currently is.
Work when you can dont work when you are ill.
@ramboghettouk
There is no standard level of illness for any illness. so the "your not as ill as me"argument just does not cut it.
I have seen schizophrenia patients stuck in catatonia for weeks in bed pretty much frozen in state. Yet others like you and me are at home sat on laptops complaining about the state of the state.
I count my blessings everyday that my illness has lifted and i have finally found a treatment plan that gives me some relief.
Schizophrenia and other mental ilnesses have such a broad spectrum that just because a doctor 15 years ago said "schizophrenics should not work" is not the case anymore.
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ramboghettouk
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it may not be the case that drs say schitzoprenics can't work as they did 30 yrs ago but i've spent decades with that attitude increasingly having to prove a level of illness to get benefits, work wasn't an option
when i did work, i was called in for a 2nd medical told my co worker i was schitzoprenic, in confidence, i was worried when i returned to work after taking a days annual leave after the interview it was all round the office and my co worker was offf sick applieing for redeployment on stress grounds when she did come in she was on valium, so they told me
somehow did 2 peoples work without the training for a year, then they brought in some one to help me suggested i apply for redeployment on stress grounds, i had an interview with the occupational dr then the boss called me in said the dr had said i was unfit for work and i should go home and send in sick notes, i fought that with the union turned out the dr had said i was unfit for my present job but fit for another job with the council, they were all nimbys not in my back yard as it was called
found myself out of work been harrassed on this estate with social services saying i wasn't a priority, by the time i got rehoused i'd been begging the gp in tears to section me, my health had deteriated so much
and ever since theres been this requirement to prove serious illness for the benefits or be left until poverty creates serious illness, after years of that i doubt theres much better/recovery left
and as for my motivation to try again i'm totally cynical
when i did work, i was called in for a 2nd medical told my co worker i was schitzoprenic, in confidence, i was worried when i returned to work after taking a days annual leave after the interview it was all round the office and my co worker was offf sick applieing for redeployment on stress grounds when she did come in she was on valium, so they told me
somehow did 2 peoples work without the training for a year, then they brought in some one to help me suggested i apply for redeployment on stress grounds, i had an interview with the occupational dr then the boss called me in said the dr had said i was unfit for work and i should go home and send in sick notes, i fought that with the union turned out the dr had said i was unfit for my present job but fit for another job with the council, they were all nimbys not in my back yard as it was called
found myself out of work been harrassed on this estate with social services saying i wasn't a priority, by the time i got rehoused i'd been begging the gp in tears to section me, my health had deteriated so much
and ever since theres been this requirement to prove serious illness for the benefits or be left until poverty creates serious illness, after years of that i doubt theres much better/recovery left
and as for my motivation to try again i'm totally cynical
fazza
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Thank you. It make more sense when you put things in to context rarther than just throwing out the usual "benefits system sucks" post
My work ethic is just that.... Mine. I choose to work as it gives me an escape from the voices and thoughts and I use work to channel these negative voices away.... I understand that this will not work for some but I will not sit here and read posts that critise those with families that are working for next to no financial gain whilst others ride the benifit train still complaining about the service.
My point remains the same.. If you can then do if not don't. No hidden agenda. No tory supporting. Its just the way I am.
If this upsets people then they really need to view how other countries treat the sick then and only then will I take there views on board.
Ask our American friends how long it takes them to claim disability benifits and how to live off food stamps.
Or ask someone from a war torn country that has nothing but a family of kids and a pile of rubble to administrate how they cope.
You like me have a roof warm rooms in winter and food. Your housing benifits are paid and you are given money for food. You are free to spend this money on whatever you like with no restrictions.
It could be far far worse
My work ethic is just that.... Mine. I choose to work as it gives me an escape from the voices and thoughts and I use work to channel these negative voices away.... I understand that this will not work for some but I will not sit here and read posts that critise those with families that are working for next to no financial gain whilst others ride the benifit train still complaining about the service.
My point remains the same.. If you can then do if not don't. No hidden agenda. No tory supporting. Its just the way I am.
If this upsets people then they really need to view how other countries treat the sick then and only then will I take there views on board.
Ask our American friends how long it takes them to claim disability benifits and how to live off food stamps.
Or ask someone from a war torn country that has nothing but a family of kids and a pile of rubble to administrate how they cope.
You like me have a roof warm rooms in winter and food. Your housing benifits are paid and you are given money for food. You are free to spend this money on whatever you like with no restrictions.
It could be far far worse
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ramboghettouk
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and in other countrys they sterilise families who are poor, if thats a nasty comment well the torys as you know have introduced a 2 child limit for family tax allowance
yes it could be worse it could also be better, one of the reasons i post is to speak out about certain policies
my ex with learning difficulties and schitzoprenia they've fitted with a coil
yes it could be worse it could also be better, one of the reasons i post is to speak out about certain policies
my ex with learning difficulties and schitzoprenia they've fitted with a coil
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Zoe1
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ive got a GCSE in psychology actually Fazza
and I remember there are different kinds of ethics
yours would be the stoical kind I think
while some people are more on the care ethics
a theory could be posed
that you are overlooking the care ethics
I think sometimes this sick person should not be working
and then taking out his/her illness
on those who are unable to work
who have put their back into it
and broken down in the attempt
and from the lack of support for their condition
and from their attempts to care for their peers
and I remember there are different kinds of ethics
yours would be the stoical kind I think
while some people are more on the care ethics
a theory could be posed
that you are overlooking the care ethics
I think sometimes this sick person should not be working
and then taking out his/her illness
on those who are unable to work
who have put their back into it
and broken down in the attempt
and from the lack of support for their condition
and from their attempts to care for their peers
