schitzophrenia and work

[ramboghettouk]

as one psychiatrist said 15yrs ago perceived wisdom was that schitzophrenics shouldn’t work and no one knows what the resuly of this experiment would be

i think he was appointed by a group of heath service mandarins appointed themseles under some tory reorganisation and one of his selling points to them was been in favour of work

i tryed to work when opinion was schitzos shouldn’t work, didn’t have much sucess, if it wasn’t the side effects of the drugs it was stigma allowing them to be so reasonable

what did they say in social services the drugs stop the worse excessses of the illness but they’re not cure

last psychiatrist i saw said you don’t expect a diabetic to do the same job as other people, maybe not but if you’ve got a choice between a diabetic and other people some potentially with experience relevant to the job

and the role models if anything prove my point

 

[Zoe1]

I did a quick search for famous schizophrenics

and found Van Gogh and Syd Barrett
the founder of Pink Floyd , Peter Green guitarist in Fleetwood Mac
that was just a sample

schizophrenics need to be in the right conditions
in order to function

 

[ramboghettouk]

they weren't hebephrenic schitzoprenics, starts at 19 no chance to be famous first

 

[ramboghettouk]

they weren't hebephrenic schitzoprenics, starts at 19 no chance to be famous first, as one psychiatrist said thats an old diagnosis

 

[fazza]

as one psychiatrist said 15yrs ago perceived wisdom was that schitzophrenics shouldn’t work and no one knows what the resuly of this experiment would be

i think he was appointed by a group of heath service mandarins appointed themseles under some tory reorganisation and one of his selling points to them was been in favour of work

i tryed to work when opinion was schitzos shouldn’t work, didn’t have much sucess, if it wasn’t the side effects of the drugs it was stigma allowing them to be so reasonable

what did they say in social services the drugs stop the worse excessses of the illness but they’re not cure

last psychiatrist i saw said you don’t expect a diabetic to do the same job as other people, maybe not but if you’ve got a choice between a diabetic and other people some potentially with experience relevant to the job

and the role models if anything prove my point

15 years ago Labour were in power.

 

[ramboghettouk]

the psychiatrist said "15 years ago perceived wisdom was that people shouldn't work"

i think the language that people can work is been used to cut benefits after all people can work so theres no need to pay benefits, in the real world this is not the ideal world were everyone can work

i think the psychiatrist said it when labour was in power, i didn't know the blair years were 15yrs ago, though i#ve heard blair called a tory in labour clothing by modern labour activists

 

[fazza]

the psychiatrist said "15 years ago perceived wisdom was that people shouldn't work"

i think the language that people can work is been used to cut benefits after all people can work so theres no need to pay benefits, in the real world this is not the ideal world were everyone can work

i think the psychiatrist said it when labour was in power, i didn't know the blair years were 15yrs ago, though i#ve heard blair called a tory in labour clothing by modern labour activists

Yes I agree people who work should not get benefits. If you can work then work..if you cant then the state should help you.

 

[ramboghettouk]

it's not as simple as been fit for work not fit for work, people are on a contimuem, been fit for some theoretical job is all very well if that job has 100 applicants a no any employer might prefer

didn't you get family credit when you were working or tax credit

 

[LORD BURT]

Working life is less stressful than being on benefits IMO.

 

[fazza]

it's not as simple as been fit for work not fit for work, people are on a contimuem, been fit for some theoretical job is all very well if that job has 100 applicants a no any employer might prefer

didn't you get family credit when you were working or tax credit

The benefits I was referring too was jsa and yes I get tax credits for 2 of my 5 children.
The only problem that I see is it takes so long to restart benefits for those who like me who are back and too in work. It needs flexability

 

[ramboghettouk]

Working life is less stressful than being on benefits IMO.

maybe so in the right job. your working for the nhs you say the boss doesn't pressure you and you've now got an assistant wasn't going to say, whether another job would make allowances

 

[ramboghettouk]

one thing about work, it'd be nice to be in a warm office instead of rationing the heating in my flat, one women said it's not impossible to get a job if your ill because i've got a job, i said i've got my explanations for that, she said i don't want to hear what your warped and sick mind has dreamt up

she was a one parent family, sucessive goverments have encouraged those with children to work as they see it as a good role model for the kids to have a parent in work

work pays better if you've got kids and not just that her kids were at an age when they could help out with the household labour, then she could buy her council place as well, so the money she made didn't just disapear in rent

and neither did she have a schitzoprenia diagnosis to get out at work

 

[fazza]

Why can't some people with shizophrenia work?

Why can't some people with schizophrenia do voluntary work?

Why when we are well and feeling capable of work do we not?

Why should the government pay benifits for those who feel that they can work and provide for themselves.

If you can't work then fine don't. I just don't understand the constant benefit system bashing when we all have a responsibility to provide for our own future if we can and when we can.

The benefit system should be changed so that it is more flexable for people to float in and out of benifits this would provide an extra incentive to get people in to work.
Work can be really good. It provides a social aspect for those with nobody around them and it has been proven time after time that by keeping the mind active this can improve mental health issues.

 

[ramboghettouk]

as i said the reason you can work is you've got a family and politicians are into kids having working parents

i well i have tried work, i also did a degree at one point, remember this clinical psychologist lecturer saying schitzoprenics shouldn't have work or relationships because work and relationships were stressful

such were the attitudes when i was a young schitzo trying to get better, now it's a bit too late i've been worked over to fit that sick box, something i feel bitter about

anyway you yourself aren't diagnosed schitzoprenic so how can you judge such things, theres a whole world of difference between schitzoaffective and schitzopprenia, including how the public including your colleagues see it

i've nothing against work what i don't like is this attitude that as people can work theres no need to pay benefits, i doubt i can support myself through work and having my benefits cut because i can do some hypothetical work is worrying

 

[ramboghettouk]

sorry, i just think it'd be better if i got support with living benefits etc than to be pushed into looking for work as theres only 5 yrs to retirement and some retire at my age anyway

and when all thats offered is back to work schemes at the expense of support for long term patients like me