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Jan Wallcroft said recovery is seen by the mentally ill as synonymous with c losing cases and leaving people

Not your definition i guess

Your definition seems to revolve around coming off meds

She may have had something to do with this website
 
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Not heard of her - my definition isn't that; but you can assume whatever it is that you like...

Of course it can be that though.

What's your definition of recovery; high doses of drugs & a few tins of beer a day?
 
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Jan wallcroft, used to run mindwaves, left it to form the mental health foundation, which i think this web site used to be part of, maybe still is

My definition of recovery, as one friend put it half the population don't meet

Ian duncan smith is into work as the best recovery from mental illness if you listen to his speeches, appears the majority of people with mental illness can work and it'lll be good for them

Yes strangely enough i do worry that my drugs plus 3 cans may be seen as recovery at some dwp interview or that i'm not as sick as i'm claiming and not entitled to the benefit level i'm receiving
 
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Personally i think your on a mission to get me locked up by getting me to come off my drugs

asked the gp what would happen if i came off the drugs, he said "you'll be arrested"

Why do i post here? because i'm crazy
 
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Personally i think your on a mission to get me locked up by getting me to come off my drugs

asked the gp what would happen if i came off the drugs, he said "you'll be arrested"

Why do i post here? because i'm crazy
LOL - OK. Think whatever you like.
 
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Sorry i shouldn't have had a go at you, i saw my ex girlfriend today, i asked her about her door been boarded up, she said the police had smashed it down, she's on a community treayment order after someone encouraged her to come off meds, if i could get hold of that person, i'd be violent to say the least, of course he's now not to be seen
 
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Sorry i shouldn't have had a go at you, i saw my ex girlfriend today, i asked her about her door been boarded up, she said the police had smashed it down, she's on a community treayment order after someone encouraged her to come off meds, if i could get hold of that person, i'd be violent to say the least, of course he's now not to be seen
It's OK Rambo; there's no need to apologise. I've been thinking about you & this 'ongoing' conversation a lot. Sorry to hear about your ex girlfriend; I hope that she is OK.

After being hospitalised at 17; after discharge I came off the meds, Then again after being hospitalised at 21. At the age of 25 I was put on more drugs. I've stopped that drug 3 times over the past 12 years with increasingly disastrous results; I just keep taking the tablets now. I know that there are complex & incredibly difficult issues with this whole question of meds. The last thing that I'd want is to jeopardise anyone's safety, well being, or stability. I wouldn't wish harm on anyone. I have posted out of a genuine desire to assist people.

I get a lot of frustration; as I'm sure that you do sometimes with the state of play with things. I don't think that things have been very easy for people like us. Things fluctuate a lot in how I'm feeling; I go through phases of finding it incredibly difficult to accept taking these tablets; & then though being more accepting of things.

Of course - some of us need the help; & need to be on a medication; especially if we have been taking something for considerable time.

I don't have all the answers to things. It seems that things are very individual & complex with these matters. I've had strong opinions on bio-medical psychiatry & pharmapsychology; but I do see that you have a point; & I can understand where you are coming from. I do see how it may have come across with some of my posting at times; I'm sorry it's been that way; & to have gone on at you too on occasion.

A lot of the posting, material & stuff that I've gone on about over the years has been primarily motivated by my own experiences, circumstances & situation. Things have been especially hard for me the past few months; I'm finding it very hard to cope TBH. I've been close to increasing the dose of medication that I take; & have phases of thinking that it would be best to take an anti-depressant. I simply don't know what to do for the best?

I came across something in a book that I was reading earlier that gave a very balanced view of medication (I'll maybe post it sometime; but don't feel up to doing so tonight), & I've had an E-Mail from a friend tonight too that has helped a lot with things.

I don't have the same years worth of experience of life as you do Rambo; & it's been a recent realisation or acknowledgement of really how young I am still. I didn't realise quite how weary I'd got with everything.

Hope that your OK.
 
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christmas is a hard time, i tryed reducing my pills but have increased them, i'm also drinking a glass of home brew wine on top of my 3 cans of guiness, home brew is cheap trouble is when i have gallons i drink a lot, hope it's what you mean by it, i'm grateful i'm not homeless at the moment also glad i've got that little savings and aren't on job seekers allowance

JUst got the result of my appeal to the ombudsman, they agree with the council that my needs aren't substantial and critical, hope the dwp don't decide the same

I'm paying a women friend for support, well i but her meals, god knows what will happen when i've got no money, without the computer and tv, one support worker claimed they weren't necessities, the walls will probably start communicating, if so they'll have to do something

Feel so bitter about family is this family who don't want to know really the same family that used to rattle tins for the NSF until ny little sister had a baby
 
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I hear people attacking the medical model, feel that that plays into the hands of those in the DWP who are denying the mentally ill are ill to cut the benefit bill

Yes maybe talk about recovery might have been good when i was first diagnoses as would have been a less drug orientated aproach, but now it;s a bit late for that

And the same torys who gop on about people been fit for work are cutting services that might rehabilitate people
 
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What about the torys been in power as they were 30yrs ago

And as i said attacking the medical model is in effect attacking my benefit entitlement, as my support worker put it then was then, now is now

seen him twice expect him to disapear
 
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OK - So psychiatry & mental illness is political - that's nothing new - Yes the right fights for cuts to services & the left fights to abolish the system - So we get difficulties from both fronts; the liberal reformists & those who are pro the medical model - I'm sure that your views could be considered to be in line with policies that have been perceived to be just as damaging as mine. But it doesn't negate what would best assist people like us, & it doesn't negate people wanting a better MH service.

The Government shall do what it does anyway, regardless of your MH & monetary needs.

You've had sub standard treatment; a lifetime dependency on drugs, & poor MH services; so everyone else should have the same?

People your age & a lot of people that are older have been able to turn their lives around & achieve profound recoveries; it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

I understand your profound cynicism & negativity - I don't find it helpful though.
 
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I think that this is an apt quote for this thread -

"Those people who, through their expression of pain or confusion, fall into the arms of the 'helping professions', perhaps becoming psychiatrically diagnosed as psychotic or neurotic or 'inadequate personalities', have in my experience almost all arrived at their predicament through an entirely comprehensible, rational and (of course with hindsight) predictable process.

If you run over a pea with a steam roller you don't blame the pea for what happens to it, nor, sensibly, do you treat its injuries as some kind of shortcoming inherent in its internal structure, whether inherited or acquired.

Similarly, if you place the (literally) unimaginably sensitive organisms which human babies are in the kind of social and environmental machinery which we seem bent on 'perfecting', it can be no real surprise that so many of them end up, as adults, as lost, bemused, miserable and crazy as they do.

The only surprise, perhaps, is that so many pass as 'normal',"

David Smail
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I really don't think that psychiatry will have the last word on these subjects; in fact; unless psychiatry radically & fundamentally changes; I don't think that it will exist at all in the future - as a species we will do away with it; & rightfully so.
 
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If you run over a pea with a steam roller you don't blame the pea for what happens to it, nor, sensibly, do you treat its injuries as some kind of shortcoming inherent in its internal structure, whether inherited or acquired

I still feel sorry for the pea, particularly when it's used as a toy in ideologys it didn't choose
 
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I thought comparing human beings to inanimate objects was the sort of thing psychiatrists do