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Recovering from Neuroleptic ('Antipsychotic') Drugs

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I have found this list of what to do to be useful when recovering from neuroleptic drugs such as clozapine, olanzapine etc.:

sleep as much as possible, do nothing stressful;
exercise to get the blood flowing;
drink lucozade, the original type because it contains the most glucose;
eat celery, at least 3 sticks per day;
freshly squeezed oranges, (not the reconstituted stuff in cartons that have local tap water added);
travelling to new places and doing new things *(must be NEW places that you've never seen before)*;
and loud music.
 
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and avoid eating curry
 
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http://theicarusproject.net/alterna...duction-guide-to-coming-off-psychiatric-drugs

http://www.comingoff.com/

http://spiritualemergency.blogspot.com/

http://www.breggin.com/

http://www.theroadback.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ-Y0YlyfXk

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ntuc said:
In a nutshell, medications alone by no means can be a substitute for the positive interpersonal experiences that such patients would eventually need for genuine improvement and recovery of their sanity and the use of them should at the same time be complemented by other psychotherapy efforts to achieve the purpose of holistic healing.
Thanks for your post. I agree. What you have written is intelligent, honest, rational & accurately sums up the whole situation of illness/meds/genuine recovery.

It's a shame so few people see it.
 
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ntuc said:
Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics basically and normally are meant for the treatment of chronic mental illnesses. Actually, clinical evidences indicate that those troubled with mental disorders, especially the serious ones, shouldn't just rely solely upon the medications as the one and only means of solution to their mental problems.
when i was in the hospital the patients there were given the drugs as something to take 'to keep you safe' or 'just in case you you are ill'. the neuroleptic ('antipsychotic') drugs were dished out like antibiotics which seems unacceptable to me. if any1 complained about the drugs in anyway the dose was increased because all nurses/docs presumed that we all must find the drugs pleasurable or the dose wasnt high enough. at least 3 patients there that i know of were having fits on these drugs. some of them had to concentrate hard to be able to speak coherently

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Next, though it may take years for such undesirable side effects / scenario to manifest onto the ones taking such medications, I am just in the opinion that in the case of the medications having potentially such unwanted side effects, it would naturally be the duty of the medical personnel / specialists-in-charge to take all the precautionary measures to safeguard the well-being of the patients for the sake of their healthcare and welfare.
my undesirable side effects were the main effects and they have always been there in varying forms, - oscillating between pain and paranoia and apathy and absentmindness, dizzyness etc

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In a nutshell, medications alone by no means can be a substitute for the positive interpersonal experiences that such patients would eventually need for genuine improvement and recovery of their sanity and the use of them should at the same time be complemented by other psychotherapy efforts to achieve the purpose of holistic healing.
so you know what will help to restore my brain to the state it was in before the drug abuse ?
 
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these days my side effects , or i should call them withdrawal effects because i dont take the drugs anymore, are mainly pain and narcolepsy
 
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ntuc said:
While for such symptoms as pain, paranoia, apathy, absentmindness, dizzyness etc, I would advise the related persons to re-focus their attentions on something else, particularly the slightly energetic exercises done collectively with the others, especially their close ones such as light jogging, short, brisk walks in the leisure parks, some light forms of exercises in the gyms, or even sharing some daily household chores / routines with the loved ones. Next, all these activities, apart from the fact that they would eventually make such persons physically more fit and healthy, they in turn would let such persons acutally work on something which are occupationally meaningful. Whilst in the process of doing so, they will to a really great extent slowly and naturally expel all those negative thoughts which arise, supposedly out of idleness.
i'm not idle i just have a lot of pain


ntuc said:
Speaking of narcolepsy - a sleep disorder characterized by sudden and uncontrollable episodes of deep sleep, maybe you and the ones having such a symptom, apart from engaging / occupying yourselves in / with other more meaningful activities such as the ones mentioned above, you all would probably need the help from an alarm clock to re-set your biological clocks in such a way that you all would be able to live a normal life again. Next, instead of living one's life upside down, one would on the other hand, need to take, if not stick firmly to a balanced approach of life so as to live orderly and more healthily.
my narcolepsy has developed from the headaches i get, its probably not the same or severe as other people's.


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'so you know what will help to restore my brain to the state it was in before the drug abuse ?'


In short, the ones involved would need to have this unrelenting and steadfast self-willingness and strong unswaying self-determinations to take all the essential self-initiatives and make all the necessary interpersonal / interactive efforts required to break themselves away from all those previous episods of undesirable negative patterns / behaviours / personalities and then begin to develop the new positive ones (which are perfectly normal and acceptable to the others) little by little and step by step. In such a connection, it would be helpful for the ones involved to actually get helps from a religious belief and then take active participation in the related religious activities for the sake of one's inner peace, greater self-faith and then better serenities.

i have no previous episods of undesirable negative patterns / behaviours / personalities, apart from the imposed neuroleptic drugs

so what can be done about this persistent gnawing nagging headache that i have in the centre of my head? on thursday night , as has happened many times before, i had this episode , lasting about a minute, of feeling like i was falling from a height with a blindfold on, so that i couldnt see the ground so as to know when my fall would stop. it is a HORRIBLE feeling. sometimes i feel like i'm not completely conscious

when replying please bear in mind, that some readers of this (such as me), have difficulty concentrating on large texts because of the neuroleptic drugs that have been applied
 
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the headache is a bit like toothache, maybe earache, it feels like i have some sort of acidic antagoniser in the middle of my head and i need to dowse it in water so to restore the ph level
 
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ntuc said:
In fact, statistical evidences also show that among the ones getting mental illnesses, especially the serious one like Schizophrenia, generally one-third of the population of such people would eventually manage to achieve full recovery, another one-third would gain significant improvements while getting sporadic relapses of such disorders, whilst the remaining rest would just get their disorders worsened day after day until no recovery is conceivably possible.



Lastly, what I am trying to say is that as long as there're hopes in getting improvements for one's mental disorders, one should put in the necessary efforts and work hard towards that goal of gaining more and more sanities and finally full recoveries if possible.

What do you mean, "especially the serious one like Schizophrenia"?
Everyone's mental health issues are serious.
There's clinical evidence that Borderline is also a brain disorder and not an emotional one; A re-routing of the brain from a prolonged external stimulus.

As you say, we can only work with what we are given.
Borderline's are mostly given nothing but horror...incomprehensible pain. We have a high suicide rate.

I don't think you're qualified to give advice. Free or otherwise.
 
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thanks for spacing out the words.

ntuc said:
Nevertheless, I had migraine headaches before long time ago and during that time, I would tend to take sleeping pills, tranquilizers etc so that I could just drift myself off to deep sleeps especially when those severe migraine headaches occurred, and so that I could just avoid the pains associated with such disorders.


However, my experiences told me that the more I resorted to such medications, the worse and worse my migraine headaches would get to become from time to time.
these are not migraines, the pain is a persistent undercurrent of physical pain in the centre of my head which frequently escalates into a massiv headache that lasts 24/36 hours, then something goes 'crunch' in my head, then i feel dizzy for a while then the process gradually repeats itself for the next few weeks or so. maybe its fading these days. i had a headache once that made me throwup, i felt like going to a general hospital, totally dehabilitating. caused by the neuroleptic drugs and nothing else.





ntuc said:
'so what can be done about this persistent gnawing nagging headache that i have in the centre of my head? on thursday night , as has happened many times before, i had this episode , lasting about a minute, of feeling like i was falling from a height with a blindfold on, so that i couldnt see the ground so as to know when my fall would stop. it is a HORRIBLE feeling. sometimes i feel like i'm not completely conscious'

My personal opinion is that when such a scenario actually happens to you again, maybe you really need someone close to you (such as your kin, relatives, close friends etc) to hold on to so as for you to feel emotionally secured, stable and safe. .
it is not emotional pain, it is physical. the falling feeling is like that of coming down off a drug



ntuc said:
Lastly, I think it will serve your therapeutical purposes better for you to seek at least a second opinon from the other related medical experts to deal with your persistent gnawing nagging headache. And that's what me and the others have done in solving our like-problems.
they did a brain scan, couldnt see anything, so the doctor prescribed a headache pill. and this was from a 'psychiatrist'.
 
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I don't think you're qualified to give advice. Free or otherwise.
any input is useful. i dont always beleive what i read
 
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ntuc said:
Actually, I sort of agree with you very much on the point that medications like neuroleptic drugs etc could just make your headache problems to go from bad to worse.


Whilst in the long-term, it wouldn't turn out as a solution to your disorders if you were to depend solely and only upon such drugs to deal with your headache disorders.
thanku for the input. i would just like make it clear to everyone reading that the gnawing burning feeling in the centre of my head that occasionally becomes excruciatingly unbearably painful is caused by the neuroleptic drugs and nothing else. this is physical pain and not mental. i do not have any mental pain. these headaches have not happened to me at anytime before the neuroleptic drug. and i hope the patients in the hospitals are LISTENED to by the doctors when they complain about the imposed drugs, or say something like "i cant think", or when they collapse and have a fit.
 
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ntuc said:
And since I do not know what exactly your problems are as well as their underlying causes, that's why I have written the followings :
ntuc said:
And again, given that I hardly know anything about your headache disorders, I could be wrong about those points made above too, and that's why I would suggest you to get at least a second opinion from the other medical experts to deal with your problems.
i understand why you may presume that my postings here are about mental problems and that i have mental pain. but my postings here are about the physical headache that i have right now
 
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