Really need help. No dopamine still after coming off all medications

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It doesnt make sense. My dopamine of hugging and kissing dyed down after taking effexor 6 years ago, and have been numb ever since. Down stairs then also became numb when taking seraquel xr ever since. Now ive come off all. And my dopamine feelings are STILL not back? This doesnt make sense, shouldnt after coming off these drugs your brain starts to reset again?

Ive tried herbs that increase dopamine ive tried food that increases dopamine and nothing.. I just dont get why its still staying numb and still not coming back?? Please help me out.. i really wanna enjoy my life and its causing so much distress with everything.:low:
 
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It doesnt make sense. My dopamine of hugging and kissing dyed down after taking effexor 6 years ago, and have been numb ever since. Down stairs then also became numb when taking seraquel xr ever since. Now ive come off all. And my dopamine feelings are STILL not back? This doesnt make sense, shouldnt after coming off these drugs your brain starts to reset again?
There are often permanent changes from these drugs, even when having being stopped for years.
 
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This is really hard to hear. So what am i suppose to do fake everything? Is there any evidence with what you said or complaints with the same issue, or against the FDA about this. And also what am i suppose to do now? =(
 
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This is really hard to hear. So what am i suppose to do fake everything? Is there any evidence with what you said or complaints with the same issue, or against the FDA about this. And also what am i suppose to do now? =(
There are vast reams of information/research about the dangers & effects/damage of psychiatric drugs - i could list a lot of books & web sites. You'll have to do your own research into it all. i've posted a lot of material on it all on this forum over the years, but people get attacked for doing so, & so i do so far less now.

The story we all hear is 'your mentally ill - take these drugs' & that seems to be what the majority want. How are people meant to fight the current Zeitgeist/Paradigm of label & drug? Especially in the face of mainstream society/the establishment & a multi 10's of Billions of Dollars a year industry?

Google 'long term damage caused by psychiatric drugs' & 'long term damage caused by effexor'

It's very well established the harms/damage caused by these drugs, as well as more permanent effects.

This is a very good Blog/Resources on the subject of med withdrawal -

Beyond Meds – Page 2

A good web site outlining some of the problems with the current system -

http://www.toxicpsychiatry.com/

One of the slightly more in depth commercially available books on psychiatric drug withdrawal -

Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal - A Guide for Prescribers, Therapists, Patients and their Families
By Peter Breggin, M.D.

Psychiatric Drug Facts with Dr. Peter Breggin - Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal
 
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Hello help8, Sorry you are having such a hard time,

From what i understand I think the science around dopamine is unclear, from talking to neuroscientists the understanding I have is that cause and effect with these neurotransmitters and hormones that are implicated in our mood and pleasure is muddy. What I mean is for example, that there are confusions as to whether low seratonin and,or dopamine causes a depressive state or whether the low seratonin and,or dopamine is caused BY the depressive state.

As such
It is probably partly the fault of the mediciene that your 'dopamine feelings' haven't returned but it could also be because of the trauma of your experiences around the time of taking the medication keeping you in this low dopamine state. Have you had a chance to process everything you went through? It takes a long time to work through things and sometimes things need revisiting. Can you get councelling or use a writing exercise to process your experiences. Or potentially visiting a sex therapist might be worth considering as possibly your worries about missing feelings with kisses etc might be reinforcing the lack of feelings

Try not to despair, the brain is very plastic [as in it can react and change over time], you have been dealing with this for a long time but that doesn't mean it will always be like this.
 
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There are vast reams of information/research about the dangers & effects/damage of psychiatric drugs - i could list a lot of books & web sites. You'll have to do your own research into it all. i've posted a lot of material on it all on this forum over the years, but people get attacked for doing so, & so i do so far less now.

The story we all hear is 'your mentally ill - take these drugs' & that seems to be what the majority want. How are people meant to fight the current Zeitgeist/Paradigm of label & drug? Especially in the face of mainstream society/the establishment & a multi 10's of Billions of Dollars a year industry?

Google 'long term damage caused by psychiatric drugs' & 'long term damage caused by effexor'

It's very well established the harms/damage caused by these drugs, as well as more permanent effects.

This is a very good Blog/Resources on the subject of med withdrawal -

Beyond Meds – Page 2

A good web site outlining some of the problems with the current system -

http://www.toxicpsychiatry.com/

One of the slightly more in depth commercially available books on psychiatric drug withdrawal -

Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal - A Guide for Prescribers, Therapists, Patients and their Families
By Peter Breggin, M.D.

Psychiatric Drug Facts with Dr. Peter Breggin - Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal
this is grim reading cpuuasage, but very important and i am glad you are sharing your knowledge. These pills are given out as if they were water but the science behind 'mental illness' is so dubious it is a wonder doctors have such faith. I cna understand within a system where they are incentivised for providing drugs but in the NHS it is much more confusing why there isn't more of a rebellion. To be so well educated, 'the top of the class' and to be so dogmatic, it scrambles my mind
 
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To be so well educated, 'the top of the class' and to be so dogmatic, it scrambles my mind
i don't fully understand it all either, & never have done - it's like there is a mass/collective Delusion that the vast majority are all in on.

What's to be done though? Don't see how it can all be changed & it's the realities of it all.
 
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i don't fully understand it all either, & never have done - it's like there is a mass/collective Delusion that the vast majority are all in on.

What's to be done though? Don't see how it can all be changed & it's the realities of it all.
Yes it is, and this delusion is put to dangerous ends. It is all ideological whether or not the individual knows it. I have no idea what is to be done, we have so little power. I appreciate and take strength from others still fighting despite the odds. Either way we're left struggling, might as well kick a bit on the way down
 
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Yes it is, and this delusion is put to dangerous ends. It is all ideological whether or not the individual knows it. I have no idea what is to be done, we have so little power. I appreciate and take strength from others still fighting despite the odds. Either way we're left struggling, might as well kick a bit on the way down
all this cool talk doesn't change the fact that the majority of people with schitzoprenia who come off meds deteriate and need hospital treatment

People get tenancys in my social housing refuse treatment and support and get evicted, it's unfair on the neighbours for the authorities to do nothing, in the world as it is thats the reality
 
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all this cool talk doesn't change the fact that the majority of people with schitzoprenia who come off meds deteriate and need hospital treatment

People get tenancys in my social housing refuse treatment and support and get evicted, it's unfair on the neighbours for the authorities to do nothing, in the world as it is thats the reality
I'm sorry if I am misunderstanding you rambo but I can't see how what you are saying relates to what was being discussed, which is the potent long term side effects of medication not being addressed by the medical profession and if there are other ways of combating those effects.

help8 is distressed by the effects of the medication they were on. A lot of people have had very traumatic experiences and side effects from medication which is then just shrugged off by doctors as either just symptoms of your being mad or as par for the course with these kinds of drugs. I don't see how trying to shut down discussion about ways of changing a system that is far from ideal, just because you think its only fair for the 'sane' localss that people who go off meds are evicted, helps anyone.

I think it is important for people to openly discuss the problems they have had with meds, it helps anyone else going through the same thing and if there is enough 'noise' around side effects than that can pressure pharmaceutical companies to make alterations to their formulas or develop next generation drugs. psychiatry is viewed as a science but its basis is not scientific or rigerous.

I'm sorry if you find this message aggressive, I understand from reading about the forum that you have felt attacked for your views in the past, and I don't want my post to perpetuate this but I think opening a post with 'all this cool talk...' is pretty hostile.

But anyway this has nothing to do with help8's concerns so maybe lets both just shut up ;):hug1:
 
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all this cool talk doesn't change the fact that the majority of people with schitzoprenia who come off meds deteriate and need hospital treatment
Doesn't negate the wider questions/issues, & we're discussing the entire field of mental health, Not just those diagnosed with schizophrenia & the sub group who are anti-social.
 
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have you been noticing coldwaters postings to refresh your memory she was comoing off meds at one point and though maybe you didn't encourage her neither did you discourage her
 
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I'm sorry if I am misunderstanding you rambo but I can't see how what you are saying relates to what was being discussed, which is the potent long term side effects of medication not being addressed by the medical profession and if there are other ways of combating those effects.

help8 is distressed by the effects of the medication they were on. A lot of people have had very traumatic experiences and side effects from medication which is then just shrugged off by doctors as either just symptoms of your being mad or as par for the course with these kinds of drugs. I don't see how trying to shut down discussion about ways of changing a system that is far from ideal, just because you think its only fair for the 'sane' localss that people who go off meds are evicted, helps anyone.

I think it is important for people to openly discuss the problems they have had with meds, it helps anyone else going through the same thing and if there is enough 'noise' around side effects than that can pressure pharmaceutical companies to make alterations to their formulas or develop next generation drugs. psychiatry is viewed as a science but its basis is not scientific or rigerous.

I'm sorry if you find this message aggressive, I understand from reading about the forum that you have felt attacked for your views in the past, and I don't want my post to perpetuate this but I think opening a post with 'all this cool talk...' is pretty hostile.

But anyway this has nothing to do with help8's concerns so maybe lets both just shut up ;):hug1:
the op concerns were more with coming off meds than the problems meds produce, i would advise them if they've got a schitzoprenia diagnosis to go back on meds as you know
 
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the op concerns were more with coming off meds than the problems meds produce, i would advise them if they've got a schitzoprenia diagnosis to go back on meds as you know
I have read through the original post again and i think you are mistaken Rambo. The op is already long off meds and their distress is that side effects that began when they were on the meds are still continuing. They are looking for advice about if these side effects can be undone
 
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Hello Help8,

How long have you been off all your meds?It can take up to 18 months for sexual arousal to go back to normal so don't panic!The dopamine systems may have been affected by the drugs,it takes time for it all to get back to normal.Other hormones are involved like prolactin,try going to your GP so he can do hormone tests etc He may find another reason for your lack of arousal.
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have you been noticing coldwaters postings to refresh your memory she was comoing off meds at one point and though maybe you didn't encourage her neither did you discourage her
i can't remember the exact context of the conversation? This is a support forum - Not a medical or therapy service, & it's Not an extension of the biomedical psychiatric/pharmacological Empire, like the Rethink forum was, before they closed it down because they didn't want open/free speech. i don't tell people what they should/shouldn't do - Most of the time i end up gently suggesting with most people that they take medical advice & try a minimal/therapeutic dose of medication.

i stopped all medication 5 times - twice for two four year periods, & was working. i think if more had been done with appropriate psychological/social support then maybe things could have been different? Being put on a very high dose of neuroleptic medication at the age of 25 for a year, i think did my brain a lot of damage, probably irreversible. i accept being dependent now on the medication.

i can't very well tell other people what they should/shouldn't do - all things considered i personally accept the diagnosis, illness/condition & medication - i can't very well then tell others Not to do that.

Have said i agree with a more comprehensive psychiatry & a potential wise use of medications - i do also however feel that there is a far bigger picture here, especially concerning people having access to more in the way of appropriate/comprehensive alternatives. i don't think that i'd have made the progress that i have done, were it Not for seeking out alternatives.
 
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Hello Help8,

How long have you been off all your meds?It can take up to 18 months for sexual arousal to go back to normal so don't panic!The dopamine systems may have been affected by the drugs,it takes time for it all to get back to normal.Other hormones are involved like prolactin,try going to your GP so he can do hormone tests etc He may find another reason for your lack of arousal.
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went to the gym yesterday, had a dream i was making love to an ex girlfriend last night, don't know why i was thinking of her she's been distancing herself recently
 
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maybe it's a blessing if the meds effect your sex drive , been mentally you won't get much chance to use it, or maybe your hoping to try that i'm not mentally ill as i'm not on meds for it line, heard it work for neighbours
 

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