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i don't agree with the current mainstream / dominant understanding & approach to psychosis / schizophrenia.

i don't agree with a lot of the past 27 years of ways that i have been treated.

Surely with what i have spoken out on in my criticism of things, & in of alternatives is Not unreasonable? Nor irrational.

A lot of the treatment is crap.
 
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In what way can treatment be improved ?
Why do the huge majority go along with the biological paradigm?
Is it due to for instance, knowledge that the 10mg olanzapine makes a man feel better?
Sitting talking to a therapist, though being as rare as hens teeth, is not particularly comforting for some.
There is a dire need for humanity in the system as it is a callous mess .
However often the so called alternatives seem non existent.
I know about some but the mass of inpatients and outpatients, not to mention frontline staff, do not.
 
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In what way can treatment be improved ?
Are you joking? Has Nothing that i've posted for the past 12 years made any sense to you, or do you just see it all as nonsense?

Why do the huge majority go along with the biological paradigm?
There are a lot of reasons i think for it all. Doesn't make it right.
 
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As I've said before, I went looking for Carl Jung and was drugged instead. In all fairness, like many people of my generation, the idea of a magic pill appealed to me.

The system needs to be improved but apparently it's run by fallible human beings and the human beings aren't getting any better.
 
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Meds are given out at doses that are far too high. I'm better on the lowest dose. I think they just want us so sedated we cannot be a danger. Apparently, most schizophrenics have suffered a serious trauma in life, like abuse. Meds won't address that. They don't even know how the Meds work or the long term effects of the newer generation. It's a worry.
 
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Meds are given out at doses that are far too high. I'm better on the lowest dose. I think they just want us so sedated we cannot be a danger. Apparently, most schizophrenics have suffered a serious trauma in life, like abuse. Meds won't address that. They don't even know how the Meds work or the long term effects of the newer generation. It's a worry.
Hi,
I agree that meds are been given at far too high doses. There was a patient at my depot clinic that had an obvious movement disorder. It was such a shame.
I worry about the long term effects as well.
Treatment needs to change as does the discrimination.
Take care
 
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Meds are given out at doses that are far too high. I'm better on the lowest dose. I think they just want us so sedated we cannot be a danger. Apparently, most schizophrenics have suffered a serious trauma in life, like abuse. Meds won't address that. They don't even know how the Meds work or the long term effects of the newer generation. It's a worry.
actually the newest research implies schizophrenia is developed in the womb much like spina bifida.

And like spina bifida, its a vitamin deficiency in the mother.
 
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Are you joking? Has Nothing that i've posted for the past 12 years made any sense to you, or do you just see it all as nonsense?



There are a lot of reasons i think for it all. Doesn't make it right.
I meant how do we go about actually improving care?
 
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i have No idea?
i suppose what i have always gone on about; as i see it is 2 fold -

That for a genuine shift to a far better World / Society / Culture / Civilisation requires a fundamental Global systemic shift, especially within & away from the current economic, political & exoteric religious system / paradigm. i'm all in favour of the Model / Vision of the Zeitgeist Movement / Venus Project & associated areas.

Within areas of mental health i think that there are myriad viable alternative models & approaches to treatment, that are very well evidenced, & that focus on far more humane & comprehensive understandings & approaches.

How can all that be implemented? i don't know, as there is very violent opposition to & very powerful forces & agendas opposing both potential solutions.
 
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i suppose what i have always gone on about; as i see it is 2 fold -

That for a genuine shift to a far better World / Society / Culture / Civilisation requires a fundamental Global systemic shift, especially within & away from the current economic, political & exoteric religious system / paradigm. i'm all in favour of the Model / Vision of the Zeitgeist Movement / Venus Project & associated areas.

Within areas of mental health i think that there are myriad viable alternative models & approaches to treatment, that are very well evidenced, & that focus on far more humane & comprehensive understandings & approaches.

How can all that be implemented? i don't know, as there is very violent opposition to & very powerful forces & agendas opposing both potential solutions.
There is an aspect of Global Civilisation / Evolution, that it does often precipitate major shifts - we had the agricultural & industrial revolutions. We had the renaissance & enlightenment. We had a major shift some 70,000 years ago into the Shamanic & a far more advanced form of collective consciousness. A lot of areas are also dependent on historical interpretations - there was a major shift within human civilisation just after the last ice age.

It is possible that Global Civilisation is on the verge of another shift, a meta-paradigm shift, but very possibly in certain ways that can't be fully envisioned until after it has happened, as these things generally go. Time will tell with it all as to what transpires. It may also be the case that what transpires is different for different people, within a number of potential scenarios.
 
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I think society has always moved in phases. Not just the 'biggies' like the industrial revolution or enlightenment, but modernity and then post modernity* regarding the cultural and ecomonic state of the nation in the twentieth century, and then now we're in a so called post-truth phase - post-postmodernity??

I think through the C20 in this country there's been a strong paternal element to the state - post war, free healthcare etc, education was free gradually over the twentieth century and school leaving ages were raised as the state 'told' people it's better for kids to get educated for longer, welfare and all those benefits. The benevolent state looking after the citizens. Good if done properly, of course, but it can be overbearing at times, and especially if you start tying it with elite theory and who has the power. I think given that for several decades people have looked to the state to look after them, it's not really suprising that people still look to the NHS (and the 'medical model') for help and support. It's almost in our psyche as a nation. Get sick? The NHS will sort you out for free. Become unemployed? There are benefits. Retire? There's a pension.
As I say, good when done properly, and in comparison with a lot of countries, we're very lucky.
But it's not good when paternalism then starts dictating what treatment is 'right' for everyone or excluding potential alternatives.
I wonder if countries that have a less comprehensive / insurance based healthcare system have more alternative treatments on offer? In those situations it becomes a marketplace, if someone's willing to pay for it, it can be provided. Here, if the state don't quite approve, it doesn't happen.

*or moderism and post-modernism if you're looking at literature / art / criticism
 
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