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everything was normal , my life was perfect till the day my mind started to ask me philosophic questions!! those questions ruined my life cause it seems there is no answer to it...i'm from a society that no one really interested with reading or knowing anything.... all things people do here is work and marry and getting children then die..i chose to be different and to read and i think i started from a wrong way when i chose philosophy and it completely ruined my life cause i can't stop thinking about this things , i hope i'm not the only one who think about this things i think this is the only place i can get help from so plz guys i will just put this questions and i hope to get answers i hope this help a little and thank you in advance!

what the meaning of all this world why we living for?!! from a religious view they say so god know if we are good or bad so he will take us to heaven or hell ok let's pretend this is true!! if we go to heaven and have all things we want and we dream of and that forever!! won't we be so bored of everything someday!! i mean imagine u have everything you want and forever, everything will be without a meaning right?!!

If there is a god and a creator to this world then why he didn't created us all equal?!! rich/poor strong/weak also female and male he created men stronger and wiser and he created female to make the man happier (sexualy) and from all sides women r the ones be pregnant raise kids cook and do everything then we tell her lies to be proud that she was born a female !! be proud of what exactly!!! of being weak and get f*** also make them dream about equality and this is impossible of course (sorry i'm just trying to be real here)


about who we are!! who are we? the things we love?!! yes things we love and things we dont like is what make us who we are!! do you think you will love this things forever? ofc not it will come a day when you get bored and you want to try something new and maybe this thing you want to try is from things you dont like so that makes you an other person!! like if someone is so harsh it will come a day and that will change, if someone is a geek he won't stay forever a geek!! so everything in change!! isn't all that like it make us all one person, i dont know if you really understand me and what i'm trying to say, my english is so poor i'm egyptien...also 1 last question is there something fixed in us and that impossible to change not in our look i mean our personality and the things we love it is all can change or there is something in our genes that make us impossible to change from some sides.... plz let's just discuss the subject i really need answers!!
 
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It is true that the only constant in life is change and if you have anxiety then this might seem frightening to you, but there are other ways to view it - change is exciting, and it is progressive.

You ask if there are things that will not change. You will not wake up a different person tomorrow. You might change subtly over the years, but we tend to only change if we want to. You do have control over yourself and who you are, if this is the fear.
 

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everything was normal , my life was perfect till the day my mind started to ask me philosophic questions!! those questions ruined my life cause it seems there is no answer to it...

about who we are!! who are we?
The fundamental question is who/what are we? & i think there is an answer to it.

Some people do look deeply into it all.
 
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thnx for the replies and yes this is my biggest fear ,to wake up as an other person someday that's completely freak me out, i started to tell my self ok if everything change then why i love this thing or this person if that's going to change!! that's why i asked if there is something in us that dont change so i can relax knowing that at last this side of me won't change! you told me we have control in things, sometimes we can't control our selves (like in love)!
 
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Well from a female perspective I view myself and other women as equal to men . I ponder on philosophical questions too . I think there is an answer to it all . It's an internal world we primarily live in . How we view the world is subjective so it's natural that we do not all perceive life in the same way . We are each of us going through our own life story . We each have our demons our stuggles our high points our low points and we each deal with how to travel through life in our own way . Yes there are different view points whether religious , scientific , agnostic , pagan etc or combinations of such . However despite our differences which make each of us unique we are all joined by one thing in common that we exist . There are are those who choose to ponder on what this all means others regard it as something that should not be heavily thought upon and so on and so forth . In various places you may find answers but invariably it just leads to more questions the ulimate in being what am I and why am I here extending onto what happens when we pass on . For some their beliefs will answer this for them . Me however my personal view is that the answers lay in consciousness but that is open to debate and is a little understood field .
 
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With regard to change I think it can happen over time it's not always easy and I think it has to be something you want to a certain degree . Sending you love and hugs xxxx
 
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Sounds like you're having a bit of an existential crisis, which is perfectly normal when you're studying philosophy.

I took philosophy for A Level and it also comprised half of my degree (I took philosophy & linguistics). My mum always said those courses fucked me up mentally, and I do know what you mean. I remember coming out of AS classes, thinking that the whole world had changed forever. I've always been fascinated the limits of perception and the meaning of it all.

Your head's full of questions about the world, and it always will be. You might find some answers to these questions, but they'll be your answers and you'll have no real way of knowing whether you're right (because there seems to be a massive problem with being able to ever view things objectively). But that's fine. That's life. :)
 
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Philosophy is a dead end.
I disagree with that. It has limitations, because as soon as a question is properly answered them it's no longer considered "philosophy" in many ways. But it's hardly a dead end in the sense that we have questions about the world that we are not able to answer, and these questions only lead to further questions. It's a giant web that keeps growing the more we know.
 

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I disagree with that. It has limitations, because as soon as a question is properly answered them it's no longer considered "philosophy" in many ways. But it's hardly a dead end in the sense that we have questions about the world that we are not able to answer, and these questions only lead to further questions. It's a giant web that keeps growing the more we know.
You'll never find an answer in Philosophy.

Michael Tsarion. Disciples of the Mysterium. ARC Covention 2010 - YouTube
 
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That's true (sorry I don't have time to view your video at the moment, but I will have a peruse when I get a chance); as I say, once a question is answered, it's no longer philosophy. That doesn't mean that philosophy is a dead end though, because it's the birthplace of enquiry, and it deals with probably the most important stuff there is. It's where the important questions are first formed.
 
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That's true (sorry I don't have time to view your video at the moment, but I will have a pursue when I get a chance); as I say, once a question is answered, it's no longer philosophy. That doesn't mean that philosophy is a dead end though, because it's the birthplace of enquiry, and it deals with probably the most important stuff there is. It's where the important questions are first formed.
philosophy (n.)

c.1300, "knowledge, body of knowledge," from Old French filosofie "philosophy, knowledge" (12c., Modern French philosophie) and directly from Latin philosophia and from Greek philosophia "love of knowledge, pursuit of wisdom; systematic investigation," from philo- "loving" (see philo-) + sophia "knowledge, wisdom," from sophis "wise, learned;" of unknown origin.
 
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philosophy (n.)

c.1300, "knowledge, body of knowledge," from Old French filosofie "philosophy, knowledge" (12c., Modern French philosophie) and directly from Latin philosophia and from Greek philosophia "love of knowledge, pursuit of wisdom; systematic investigation," from philo- "loving" (see philo-) + sophia "knowledge, wisdom," from sophis "wise, learned;" of unknown origin.
I know the definition of philosophy. :)

Well! The dictionary definition anyway! The actual meaning of it is often contested. But yes.
 
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An interesting read relating to this thread The Art Of War by Sun Tzu or if you want to lighten the mood the answer to life the universe and everything is ..........42 .
 
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Hi Wolf Man

Your english isn't poor it's actullygood and perfectly understandable - I don't speak Egyptian at all so for you to speak a second language that well is impressive.

Now on to your question - I don't think there is a meaning to life. We exist for no other pupose than to exist.

God didn't create us - we are organisms that have evolved over time due to our enviroment.

We serve no purpose than to exist - humans are here - because of evoloution and we evolved to survive in our enviroment - there is no meaning to life or higher purpose that will give you enlightenment or to feel fullfilled. People feel fulfilled because they do things they find fullfilling for example a nurse dosen't become a nurse because it pays well, they work long hours under terrible conditions, but they do it because they are caring people and find fullfillment in helping people.

Regardless of what you do with your life - there is no higher purpose - you are here and you can enjoy it and do things you enjoy. Or you can be like me and be realistic and think "What is the point" all we do is worry about money and go to work which makes us miserable to earn money to pay for a mortgage where eventully we will die and the house goes to your kids... who sell it... so they got a deposit to buy a house and it all happens again.

I often get very tempted to commit crime etc... because I think - who cares if i'm "good" or "bad" I worry what people think of me, but why care? because most people don't appreciate good people... but they fear bad people who do what they want. and at the end of the day in 150 years time... you and everyone who hated you or liked you will be dead... and you're life will have no greater purpose and won't have meant anything other than to those who knew you / loved you (who will also be dead) the only way you'll be remembered is if you do something remarkable like cure cancer, or an act of heroism, or achieving something incredible (which is plausible) and in which case you'd go down in history and be remembered, or do something infamous ........ like Mass genocide or being a serial killer etc in which case you'd also be remembered (but for the wrong reasons)

Either way, in the scale of the wider universe we are insignificant.

Also I disagree with the comment about women


There is no god
There are women who are stronger than certain men
There are women who are wiser than certain Men
Women were not put on this earth to make men happier sexually
Women and men are both manipulated by the media and people in general for example i'm guessing if you fell when you were younger you were told "Big boys don't cry" or girls who do somethingl etc and are told "that's not very ladylike"
Yes women are the ones to carry babies and give childbirth but if you believe in god (which I don't - anymore) that's the closest thing to being a god you can get ... creating human life.
Also women give birth to a child which is incredibly taxing on the body and they survive.
Also if I strapped the weight a woman has to carry around during childbirth to any man - most would probably moan and struggle.
Also back in prehistoric day men were the hunter gatherers and women stayed at home and looked after the cave - but we have evolved and women now go out and earn money and so you can't say that is still true, yes men are still the protectors (as males tend to do it instinctively) but they are no longer the providers... women do that as well, also women can protect as well watch what happens if something threatens a mothers baby.... in all creatures the two main insticts are fight / flight response, and the maternal instincts women have to protect their family.

Finally your genes are your genes... you can't change what you look like (usually your mum and dad) although you can have surgery...... but with regards to who we are? that's a result of our upbringing and socialisation... which it's why it's so common for parents who are caring and loving to have children who are usually the same - and likewise if the parents are criminal or mistreat their kids etc... then children think that's normal and they are likely to mistreat their kids / hit their wives when they grow up....but yes it's possible to change this, if someone has bad parents it dosen't mean their child is destined to be bad, they could grow up and be a wonderful person, it just that having bad parents makes it a lot harder.
In case your wondering... I'm a man

but in summary - we survive to watch everyone we care about grow old and die, and then we die ourselves.

Thank you i'm here all week.

The end.
 
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