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People with Antisocial Personality Disorder are the ones that emotionally and physically torment others in school

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Psychopaths such as serial killers are the ones who bully and humiliate others such as "weirdos", geeks, loners, etc. in school. Do you agree with me?

Serial killers such as Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Paul John Knowles had healthy happy childhoods and they are most likely the school bullies. Do you agree with me?
 
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No, I don't agree with you. Most bullies are also victims. Out of my two biggest bullies at school, one was a victim of neglect and drug dealing & user parents; the other was a victim of neglect and of sibling sexual abuse. Neither were psychopaths and one went on to apologise for her behaviour towards me, when we we're friends in adulthood. By this time, she was a heroin addict, dealing with the trauma of rape & attempted murder and the mother of two children with severe health problems (one terminal). There was absolutely nothing psychopathic about her. Bullying me was an ego defence.

The other girl also ended up as a heroin addict, but I didn't stay close enough to her to get the apology, but seeing her years later there was nothing narcissistic (i.e. like Ted Bundy) about her either.

My mother was also a bully in school (and later in life). She and her friend once tied a pregnant teacher to a chair and slapped her across the face. However, my mother was also a victim of sexual and physical abuse for most of her childhood.

Pretty sure that most studies will show a leaning towards bullying being a behaviour often perpetrated by victims of abuse. Yet that doesn't mean that all bullied people become bullies!
Psychopathy is rare and while torturing others is something associated with psychopathy, bullying is far more common than the personality disorder.
 
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Psychopaths such as serial killers are the ones who bully and humiliate others such as "weirdos", geeks, loners, etc. in school. Do you agree with me?
no i dont agree with you as saying they do one thing as a whole. If you did some research you would see a lot of serial killers were the ones who were bullied or had some type of abuse happen to them. Not all of course but a good majority.
serial killers were often known as the "weirdos", "loners" and so on..
 
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no i dont agree with you as saying they do one thing as a whole. If you did some research you would see a lot of serial killers were the ones who were bullied or had some type of abuse happen to them. Not all of course but a good majority.
serial killers were often known as the "weirdos", "loners" and so on..

Uhm no. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had happy childhoods and were all quite popular, well liked, and charming at school. Due to their narcissistic psychopathic personalities, they were most likely the ones who bullied others in school like how narcissistic sadistic psychopathic Internet trolls flame others online.

When I see Ted Bundy, Paul John Knowles, and Jeffrey Dahmer, I don't see tormented souls. Instead, I see overly narcissistic spoiled brats who lack empathy.

Ted Bundy, Paul John Knowles, and Jeffrey Dahmer don't look like tormented loners eccentric emo goth loners to me. They're more like they're made of the same stuff as those ancient/medieval cruel arrogant manipulative imperialist nobility social class warlords who committed numerous atrocities against civilians and those they look down on such as peasants and slaves.
 
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Uhm no. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had happy childhoods and were all quite popular, well liked, and charming at school. Due to their narcissistic psychopathic personalities, they were most likely the ones who bullied others in school like how narcissistic sadistic psychopathic Internet trolls flame others online.

When I see Ted Bundy, Paul John Knowles, and Jeffrey Dahmer, I don't see tormented souls. Instead, I see overly narcissistic spoiled brats who lack empathy.

Ted Bundy, Paul John Knowles, and Jeffrey Dahmer don't look like tormented loners eccentric emo goth loners to me. They're more like they're made of the same stuff as those ancient/medieval cruel arrogant manipulative imperialist nobility social class warlords who committed numerous atrocities against civilians and those they look down on such as peasants and slaves.
You really need to do more research on those guys with their childhood, Dahmer especially ..
So yo have to be emo or goth to look like loners?

You keep writing about psychopaths and serial killers and claim they interest you yet you seem to know nothing much on them and just make assumptions
 
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In my last message I started with psychopathy is rare...I meant to say it isn't as rare as people think.
 
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Dahmer I think was a loner and a weird guy in high school. A classmate of his wrote a comic book (graphic novel) about him. My Friend Dahmer. He had a firsthand view into the behavior of Dahmer before he did all those horrible things. And yeah, Dahmer was weird. It was made into a movie also.
 
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Psychopaths such as serial killers are the ones who bully and humiliate others such as "weirdos", geeks, loners, etc. in school. Do you agree with me?

Serial killers such as Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Paul John Knowles had healthy happy childhoods and they are most likely the school bullies. Do you agree with me?

No, I don't agree. Venn-diagram anyone? ;)
There will always be an overlap when looking at serial killers that are psychopaths, but that is true for the reverse as well. There will be an overlap if you look at serial killers and non-psychopaths as well. That will stand true for psychopaths and bullies, and non-psychopaths and bullies as well.

It is a bit misguiding to only look at the utmost extreme of the psychopathic spectrum, which is where you would find the serial killers that are also psychopaths. The absolute majority of psychopaths are not serial killers so it is not representative for us. Most of us have heard the "1% of people are psychopaths", don't know how true that number is though.

ASPD, which is the diagnosis most closely related to psychopathy, cannot be given to someone under the age of 18. ASPD and psychopathy is not the same thing, and you can indeed have a diagnosis of ASPD without being a psychopath and you can be a psychopath without having ASPD, but the relationship between them is close enough to merit this comment anyway in my opinion. :)

I do understand the logic behind your comment though. But just because we do not feel empathy does not mean that we wake up every morning with an evil laughter going "mohahaha, whos life should I destroy today?". The harm is more often than not in the form of collateral rather than intentional, at least in my case. Just because I don't feel bad hurting someone doesn't mean that I go out of my way to do it on purpose. An example:

Imagine that you have some ham and cheese at home and you make yourself a ham sandwich. You eat that everyday and it always worked as a good breakfast for you. Now, someone sees you eating that ham sandwich and they are absolutely horrified to see you eat a ham sandwich when you also have cheese at home. Everyone knows that if you have ham AND CHEESE at home when making your sandwich you HAVE TO have both of them on the sandwich. This is pretty much what life for a psychopath is. When we realise that something we do is wrong we learn and adapt, but it would be stupid for me to feel bad about having eaten only ham on a sandwich even if the person in the example felt hurt, right? It's just not important.
 
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Hello. As a fellow person with ASPD, judging by my experience when I was in High School, I would agree with you. However, it is not always the case. Personally, I am very narcissistic and sadistic myself and have bullied/picked on other kids while staying on top of the “popularity” scale due to manipulation and as you mentioned above, charm while also getting away with it. Of course, not all of the ASPD spectrum is considered to be sadistic so what the above person said about how the “loners” can instead be the one with the disorder could also be true. Abuse and trauma from the past (in this case, being bullied) CAN (not always) develop something more into ASPD.
 
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I do not agree with the fact that the people who bully at school are always the ones with Antisocial, if anything it's the opposite, it's precisely because they are bullied that they might develop ASPD (I'm talking about sociopathy in this case not psychopathy).
It may happen that these bullied people are then consequentially, those who bully others.
I was bullied at schools by classmates and teachers, (cause I was a loner and therefore "strange" ), never knew my father and had some problems at home.
Already at the age of 8 I was so frustrated by this, that I began to torment younger mates at day camp (I scared, I teased, I dug traps, etc.), I had already started stealing,
tried to kill my cat, lying, and yet still be an enjoyable child around friends and relatives.
Now, I have no empathy nor remorse, I feel almost nothing for others (except for animals strange enough), I lie often, I'm a narcissist, impulsive, I drink, I have outbursts of anger and memory loss, I put my self in dangerous situations without thinking, etc...
and I wouldn't even care about all this if it weren't for the fact that I also have an urge that isn't exactly regular.
I don't think I have ASPD, since I, despite everything, have never been convicted,
but I know that something has definitely snapped.

And with this, I'm not saying that everyone who has been abused as a child, will necessarily grow up with problems, nor do I like moaning about been bullied (my childhood wasn't that bad all things considered) I'm on the view that everyone as an adult takes their own responsibilities and everyone makes their own choices, but I'm sure many of these choices will certainly be conditioned by an unpleasant past.
 
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Psychopaths such as serial killers are the ones who bully and humiliate others such as "weirdos", geeks, loners, etc. in school. Do you agree with me?

Serial killers such as Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Paul John Knowles had healthy happy childhoods and they are most likely the school bullies. Do you agree with me?
You should look into their childhood history and what made them that way. You might be quite shocked. You can't ask for sympathy or empathy if you don't give it to others.

I'm not saying they are good people or anything, but still labeling all psychopaths and people with different mental disorders as being inferior to yours? There's a few youtube videos of real life diagnosed psychopaths that are on youtube. Go watch.
 
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Many of them are recovering or recovered psychopaths still in therapy. Yes with therapy even a psychopath can do well. Lack of education and resources are what cause things to go the wrong direction.
 
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Bullies at school are mostly just children who are at an age at which they have yet to develop any form of control over our species worst inherent traits. The trait to have the want desire and need to feel somehow superior to other people is hugely inherent in our species, it's the trait our society encourages the most, as it's what makes the capitalist model go round.

It's usually the children in cliques considered cool who are the bullies or individuals who are big and powerful for their age who don't have any control and have been raised to try and be superior in some way to all the other children, to be the best, to be a winner etc as unfortunately the majority of their parents raise their children to be.
 
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