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Paranoid Schizophrenic violent neighbour

Confused Dad1

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Posting on here for advice, please, if anyone can help. Apologies for my ignorance about Schizophrenia. This is a genuine request for info/help

My son is 28, he suffers with Asperger's, anxiety disorder, panic order and long term depression. He is quite a vulnerable adult and under care of social services who has attempted suicide several times

Son moved into a local housing apartment earlier this year, very happy to be independent. He settled well and his self harming seized

My son lives in the same apartment building as a chap who is a paranoid schizophrenic who I shall call John. John takes illegal drugs too (I know this, its not a guess)

This neighbour has constantly been causing a lot of anti social issues within the block for months where various neighbours had contacted the poorly guys family and local services as it was obvious he was deteriorating -the other neighbours could hear him screaming about hallucinations etc. Everyone was genuinely worried for Johns welfare

However, things have taken a turn for the worse, and John recently attacked my son on his own doorstep, as he had some paranoid ideas about him. John has since been sectioned.

John will be returning to his flat soon. My son is extremely nervous and has started self harming once again. This is very concerning.

I do not know what I am asking really here - but is John likely to have been treated properly during his hospital stay? I think for johns own welfare , being sectioned was what he needed, but unfortunate it took him to actually attack a vulnerable person, for the authorities to step in

My son wants to move home, despite only just moving in - he is very scared of when John comes home - however the local authorities will not rehouse him - or allow him to swap his home (do an exchange with another local authority tenant) as he is still on a starter tenancy.

In essence, my son is being forced to continue living somewhere where he is terrified. Should he be afraid?

I hope this post doesn't upset anyone, it is a genuine post, we are looking for info and genuinely do not know what to do at all. Thank you in advance x
 
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If john is deemed to be returned in community I guess you would be ok. Instead of avoiding this guy and increase your son’s anxiety, maybe you can both get to know john better, keep him in a loop or something.
 
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I would show this john guy that I am concerned about him, even care and ask if I could be of any help during his tough time.
 
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I am sorry to hear about your troubles-no one deserves to be afraid to live in his own home.

I would say John must have quit taking his medications and being sectioned they will put him back on medication.

lets hope john will apoligize to your son and maybe they will keep John for a few months in hospital.

Once again I am sorry this is happening to your son and you. Lots of warm hopes for a steady future without fear of John. Lots of hugs
 
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Thank you for your responses.

I think the authorities are having a tough time with this one, as both parties are deemed vulnerable, both my son, and John

We have never known John, to be well. When my son moved in, earlier this year, within weeks of moving in, it was very obvious that one of the neighbours was very unwell - and we did try to get him help. John doesn't seem to have family - other than one member who had never shown up before until the day John was sectioned.

Both my son and myself are now fearful of John, now he has attacked my son. He is twice the size of my son, who looks about 12 - and has left my son with a broken eye socket. Considering the unpredictability of John, at times he is very pleasant, coherent and chatty, and other times he will be screaming at someone. Even when he appears to be doing well, we will both still be uneasy

Trust me, I do want to have empathy for him still - as we did before - but it is going to be hard, the physical damage he has done to my son is one thing - but the massive mental health step back this has caused, my son has gone back a couple of years in terms of progress

I realise John was lashing out because of his illness. He had definitely come off his meds - he had told my son this. And that was one of the times we contacted social services to let them know. But no one seemed to want to help until there was an incident.

I am furious with the authorities for allowing it to get to this situation and not stepping in sooner
 
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Does your son have some kind of support worker? Can you speak to them and see if they can find out who is supporting John. If he’s just been released from hospital he should still be having some follow up care and maybe you could get to speak to johns MH support and express your concerns and fears for your son.
Sorry if you’ve already done that
 
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In my experience the local mh team and the social services delayed on more than one occasion regarding a neighbour not too unlike John

A lot of the neighbours in my close were fearful of this neighbour even some men. This neighbour was very unpredictable and this would go on for weeks but most often months. So I am afraid to say I avoided this individual as I was anxious for my own personal safety.

The police were unable to take action as they are bound by lots of red tape.and can only intercede when the mh team and social services make a request is my understanding of what happens. Or Unless a member of the public directly calls the police due to threats of violence etc

By all means get in contact with the Mental health team. When I was up against it with this neighbour well the whole close actually there was no one who would come alongside and give a voice to a collective set of people. To reassure that things were being sorted that this individual was getting help and support.

I ended up having to keep an anti social journal which I then had to submit at a later date as evidence. It was doing that or continuing to endure constant unpredictability of an unstable individual. Which then impacts on my own mental health oh and the neighbours in the close.

They let this individual down in some ways but also this individual was known as a regular offender by the local CID.
 
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Well jay I must say at first well done for coming here for advice and not having the same prejudiced ideas about people with schizophrenia.

I am so sorry that your son has had to go through this especially as he has aspergers these events must have had a massive impact on your son.

I have paranoid schizophrenia and although this will not help but it is actually quite rare for a person with schizophrenia especially paranoid schizophrenia to become violent.

I am guessing but the chap sounds like he has come off his meds either through his own deteriorating lack of insight or it is possible that he needed a larger or a complete change of medication. It is really annoying that his CPN community psychiatric nurse has not picked up on this guys deteriorating mental health.

Hopefully now this chap will be under a section 2 (28 day assessment) then on to a section 3 (6 months but can and will be extended if the patient does not improve)

Once the chap shows that he is no longer a problem for the community and believe me that is actually pretty hard to lie to psychiatrist to get off a section he will be placed back in the community.

I have a question if you do not mind.

1. have you contacted the police as assault no matter if in a shared house for people with difficulties is assault and he should be charged regardless of diminished responsibility. You could state that due to a lets say a (conflict of psychological differences) it would be impossible for your son to be housed with the person that assaulted

Do not let social services fob you off with (oh he was ill no need to call the police) as this is bull.

It is a very difficult situation to give advice on as a fellow schizophrenia sufferer but if it were me I would become a real pain in the backside of social services and cmht as you could say that it is there failings in not spotting this person deteriorating and therefore making an impossible living situation for your son.

On the flip side. This guy may come out of hospital a recovered happy rational soul but if the back up and support of cmht and social services are not put firmly in place then due to the drug taking and anti social acts then i am sorry but this could happen again.

This post may be wavering from side to side as i am trying to see it from both points of view and it is very difficult.
 
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there was a case where a girl with special needs was put into a block of flats with where they housed ex-cons they ended up killing her i will leave the doc below if hes health is deteriorating posing a threat to himself or others he should be sectioned i know it is not the best place for people on the autistic spectrum i can attest to this maybe you could look into getting him moved into another residential care away from the problem ?


i really hope you can get your son help
 
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I guess it’s a much higher chance to get killed by a moving car than the situation described above.
 
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it is a problem tell me about it, what would i do house john next door to some guardian type but thats not going to happen

i live in dread of a new neighbour moving in this been the sally army someone selected for homelessness drug or alcohol adddiction or mental illness

if i remember the gp put paramoid schitzoprenia on benefit form and i drink

when i got diagnosed long time ago, autism wasn't around much the diagnosis tended to be schitzoprenia
 
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incidentally how do you know he has paranioid schitzoprenia, has he told you or has his behaviour got people to apply that diagnosis, i've experienced illegal drug addicts, is he on crack, yes theres a good chance a psychiatrist would apply that diagnosis

theres suppposed to be step down care but if someone leaves a unit cash strapped councils don't provide proper care, it's either all or nothing
 
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CMHT don’t care, they moved a severely homophobic person who smeared poo everywhere in a shared house with other people just to free up a hospital bed.
 
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at least when people were in the bin long term they'd see to it that violent drug non compliant alcoholic neighbour took meds and wasn't a problem, social housing in the community nothing is done, they don't even dare evict them in case they get accused of evicting a vulnerable person, heard mind crowing the disability act protects mentally ill neighbours from eviction

said to saneline whats the difference between going to a day centre and hospital? the guy said the difference is you go home at night, well some go home to places they don't consider home in any way, quite often the same people who would have been long term in hospital, a no are on the street

and i'm old enough to remember the hype att the start of care in the community and the reality now, all those broken promises, a cruel con by politicians
 
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Hi Again

Apologies for not posting in ages.

The ' converted house' where the assault happened, it is not a special needs home, it is a general needs block of local housing association flats. They are not designed for anyone with extra support issues. It just so happens that my son and John both have mental health issues.
Since post 1, my son has been diagnosed with Bipolar too.

My son had contacted social services even before the assault as it was obvious that john was not well and my son was trying to get him help

When the assault happened, my Son did report it to the police - straight away. But they never did even interview John, as he was sectioned fairly quickly, within 24 hours, and the police spent so much time and energy bullying my son into dropping the charges as it would go no where. It took them 12 hours to arrive, all the time we could hear john pacing around the communal area landing and shouting

Honestly I would not have believed the police treatment had i not seen and heard it with my own eyes. Over the course of one weekend he had four visits from the police insisting he drop the charges - and when I complained and emailed CC in a few officers - I had an awful member of the police phone me up raising his voice.

The police were a complete waste of space. I have completely lost faith in them. In fact they actually made things much worse for my son as when they did arrive, they took note of the half of a spliff in the ashtray, and reported it to the housing association, which resulted in the HA doing an investigation

Eventually, after around 3 months, John was released from his section, and is back home.

The only contact we have is with one lady at the housing association, and this whole time,bare faced lied to us, and told us John was never coming back he was being rehoused - and you can imagine the shock, without warning, to be confronted by your attacker in your own stairwell. My son was hysterical

John has admitted to the Housing association + his mental health team, that he still holds paranoid thoughts about my son (thinks my son is turning the other neighbours against him) when in truth, my son is the newest resident, hasn't even been there a year yet - and the other residents had long since made their mind up about John - and my son has never really got into any kind of conversation with any of the residents

The housing association lady will not give me the details of Johns mental health team- she cannot give me details of his health team or future housing plans, as it is against data protection apparently - so we are allowed to know NOTHING

All she says if 'anything else happens let me know'.........it really is a load of garbage. There is no support in place for my son. This guy is twice the size and age of my son and has admitted that he has paranoid thoughts.

My son only moved in earlier on this year, we spent all our money on carpets and getting him settled, it was supposed to be his new start, his first go at independence, and within three months all this has started up

The HA will not let my son transfer to another property apparently the request was declined, and they will not let him exchange - so he is stuck, living in terror.

He won't come and stay with me, I have tried repeatedly to persuade him since John came back

There is no support for my son My son is scared to exit and enter the communal areas of his flat

I literally feel that I cannnot deal with this anymore. It is hard as it feels like a ticking time bomb and I cannot concentrate. If this is what life is like, constant anxiety over what next, then I dont want it

I tried a formal complaint against the HA, but they refused to accept it as a formal complaint and instead downgraded it to something else - and when I complained again I was fobbed off once again

Ive literally tried everything and got to the point where it has ground me down now
 
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