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New Reports Question Long-Term Antipsychotic Use, Cite Need for Personalized Services

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New Reports Question Long-Term Antipsychotic Use, Cite Need for Personalized Services

Abilify Is Top-Selling U.S. Drug -- But New Reports Question Long-Term Antipsychotic Use, Cite Need for Personalized Services | Art Levine

Many people believe that schizophrenia is a frightening brain disease that makes people unpredictable and potentially violent, and can only be controlled by medication. However research conducted over the last 20 years and brought together in this report reveals that this view is false.

Antipsychotic medication, which seemed so important in the early phase of psychosis, appeared to worsen prospects for recovery over the long-term ... Clearly, some individuals need to be on medication continually to avoid relapse. At the same time, we need to ask whether in the long-term, some individuals with a history of psychosis may do better off without medication.

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i read the whole article tend to agree i have isssue with people encouraging those with schitzoprenia not to take medication having had to deal with neighbours that refuse meds, you say you don't encourage people to come off meds cpu but your words sound otherwise to me
 

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i read the whole article tend to agree i have isssue with people encouraging those with schitzoprenia not to take medication having had to deal with neighbours that refuse meds, you say you don't encourage people to come off meds cpu but your words sound otherwise to me
i take medication, have maintained it religiously for the past 10 years & have gently advised quite a few people to try medication.

i do not however agree with the current way the pharmacological/biomedical psychiatric Industry operates & i disagree with a primary focus on drugging. There is a place for a wise use of medications, but i think the primary focus should be on far more comprehensive psychosocial approaches to understanding, care & support -

i just constantly repeat saying the same things.
 
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i agree but when you disagree with drugging you can encourage people on meds to come off them
 

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i agree but when you disagree with drugging you can encourage people on meds to come off them
In essence my basic view on these matters hasn't really changed. i think there is slightly more agreement to some of my views as there are more articles, from more mainstream sources questioning things & in basic agreement, which there wasn't before - very slowly more people are starting to discuss these areas in a slightly more open way. i think a lot of people only believe what they are told in an official or more mainstream media capacity.

i think it's a very in depth & complex question regarding medications. i have always tried my best to post things in a reasonable & responsible way.

i don't personally think the central issues is people expressing different views/discussion on all these things, in books & on-line - But far rather is about the current social/medical paradigms & what access people have to appropriate care & support.

i don't think i'm going to fundamentally alter other peoples views - a lot of people can be non med complaint anyway - it won't make any real difference reading views that are critical of psychiatry on here - & it's information that can be found in countless other places anyway, with very basic web searches.

i think that things also work the other way around - i don't think it's fair to encourage & coerce the use of very powerful psychoactive drugs, often with life long dependency, & a myriad of potential health issues, when there is the potential for some people to recover medication free, especially with the right support.

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Regardless of all this - This is an open discussion forum with a disclaimer - it is for people to impartially express their views & opinions - This isn't a pro big pharma/pro biomedical psychiatry love in. You & others enjoyed such biases on the Rethink forum - thankfully there isn't quite the same bias on here. If you feel that strongly about it all, then i suggest you find a more pro biomedical forum, that disallows more open discussion on alternatives to drugging - they are out there.
 
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In essence my basic view on these matters hasn't really changed. i think there is slightly more agreement to some of my views as there are more articles, from more mainstream sources questioning things & in basic agreement, which there wasn't before - very slowly more people are starting to discuss these areas in a slightly more open way. i think a lot of people only believe what they are told in an official or more mainstream media capacity.

i think it's a very in depth & complex question regarding medications. i have always tried my best to post things in a reasonable & responsible way.

i don't personally think the central issues is people expressing different views/discussion on all these things, in books & on-line - But far rather is about the current social/medical paradigms & what access people have to appropriate care & support.

i don't think i'm going to fundamentally alter other peoples views - a lot of people can be non med complaint anyway - it won't make any real difference reading views that are critical of psychiatry on here - & it's information that can be found in countless other places anyway, with very basic web searches.

i think that things also work the other way around - i don't think it's fair to encourage & coerce the use of very powerful psychoactive drugs, often with life long dependency, & a myriad of potential health issues, when there is the potential for some people to recover medication free, especially with the right support.

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Regardless of all this - This is an open discussion forum with a disclaimer - it is for people to impartially express their views & opinions - This isn't a pro big pharma/pro biomedical psychiatry love in. You & others enjoyed such biases on the Rethink forum - thankfully there isn't quite the same bias on here. If you feel that strongly about it all, then i suggest you find a more pro biomedical forum, that disallows more open discussion on alternatives to drugging - they are out there.
wjem people come off meds they can behave in a low level antisocial way for months before an incident happens that shows they're a danger, it is unfair on the other neighbours, quite often these places aren't officially for mentally ill it just works out that way in practice, so the neighbours mentally ill are left to deal with an off med problem neighbour, been mentally ill they're complaints are ignored, i'm not sure if i agree with evicting such a neighbour and potentiallly making them homeless
 

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wjem people come off meds they can behave in a low level antisocial way for months before an incident happens that shows they're a danger
Yes, that can happen. It can also happen that people get successfully free of medication & live responsible, fuller & more enjoyable & healthy lives. If there was more help & support for people to begin with maybe the later would be more common?
 
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it's not the mentally ill neighbours fault the guys not getting psychosocial support maybe we'd all like to come off meds with psychosocial support
 

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it's not the mentally ill neighbours fault the guys not getting psychosocial support maybe we'd all like to come off meds with psychosocial support
Then we're back with the same 'argument'/debate that we've always had -

All i've ever said (& continue to say) is that i think there are more comprehensive, caring & understanding psychological/social approaches that can be used to more effectively help & support a lot of people. Whatever the current social/medical realities for people, i don't think changes that being the case.
 
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Thanks for posting this link. It is very interesting, and I thought it was quite balanced.

In the past few years I have tried a lot of medications. Unfortunately I am overly sensitive and have suffered badly from side effects, without getting much help from the drugs. In the end I have suffered permanent damage from them. I no longer take them.

At first, because of my own bad experience, I was very anti-drugs, especially anti-psychotics. Especially as they are given out so easily, even to those without psychosis. They often over sedate you, or flatten your experience of life, make you feel wooden or zombie-like. But then I found they do seem to help a lot of people, and some find it hard to function without them. So I modified my view. However I do think they are used too readily, often at too high a doseage, and you are not warned adequately about the dangerous long term side effects. And the NHS always seems to drug you first, and is less interested in other approaches.

I too have suffered from a neighbour who was off their drugs and caused havoc for a lot of people (in ordinary housing). No one wanted to help with the problem or take responsibility. But I don't think you should just drug people so that they don't cause a nuisance.

No easy answer.
 
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been reading a report in the guardian the mental health act had been amended, befor certain places the police couldn;t remove a person from to a place of safety as they counted as private property they now count as public. bit concerned as i consider the police a bunch of bigots if they discover someones got mental health issues
 
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Table 1. Top 100 Drugs by Sales
Rank Drug (brand name) Sales, 2013
1 Abilify $6,460,215,394
2 Nexium $6,135,667,614
3 Humira $5,549,996,855
4 Crestor $5,310,818,889
5 Cymbalta $5,219,860,418
6 Advair Diskus $5,121,312,668
7 Enbrel $4,681,201,645
8 Remicade $4,098,233,242
9 Copaxone $3,697,182,238
10 Neulasta $3,580,364,758
11 Rituxan $3,288,614,045
12 Lantus Solostar $3,005,681,663
13 Spiriva Handihaler $2,998,207,542
14 Atripla $2,856,818,557
15 Januvia $2,843,496,907
16 Avastin $2,688,414,938
17 Lantus $2,556,825,619
18 Oxycontin $2,534,909,675
19 Lyrica $2,415,254,835
20 Epogen $2,280,696,834
21 Celebrex $2,237,658,764
22 Truvada $2,235,712,145
23 Diovan $2,169,819,482
24 Herceptin $1,938,804,857
25 Gleevec $1,896,982,614
26 Lucentis $1,859,463,484
27 Namenda $1,856,822,750
28 Vyvanse $1,743,115,521
29 Zetia $1,710,526,476
30 Symbicort $1,563,242,161
31 Levemir $1,547,629,745
32 Suboxone $1,450,554,130
33 Novolog Flexpen $1,377,221,614
34 Novolog $1,349,403,122
35 Avonex $1,240,754,136
36 Seroquel Xr $1,226,532,019
37 Viagra $1,196,812,385
38 Alimta $1,192,134,813
39 Humalog $1,184,189,487
40 Nasonex $1,137,402,455
41 Victoza 3-Pak $1,104,811,637
42 Cialis $1,086,355,583
43 Gilenya $1,059,346,323
44 Flovent Hfa $1,050,009,900
45 Procrit $1,030,419,958
46 Isentress $1,014,678,055
47 Xarelto $996,441,091
48 Prezista $992,087,940
49 Janumet $987,663,598
50 Stelara $965,072,892
51 Neupogen $958,807,372
52 Orencia $957,680,500
53 Renvela $955,330,199
54 Reyataz $934,879,388
55 Vesicare $933,311,254
56 Dexilant $916,401,204
57 Tecfidera $879,673,483
58 Humalog Kwikpen $879,632,962
59 Synthroid $858,725,708
60 Vytorin $858,576,112
61 Lunesta $851,791,226
62 Pradaxa $836,573,805
63 Benicar $832,276,970
64 Evista $823,647,433
65 Xolair $821,783,471
66 Aranesp $809,245,700
67 Prevnar 13 $806,129,346
68 Sensipar $786,320,942
69 Xgeva $785,725,436
70 Invega Sustenna $779,834,172
71 Zytiga $775,269,249
72 Avonex Pen $768,655,140
73 Synagis $767,786,422
74 Betaseron $767,648,290
75 Xeloda $754,133,787
76 Ventolin Hfa $745,629,470
77 Zyvox $726,184,205
78 Afinitor $721,629,719
79 Gardasil $710,208,856
80 Zostavax $705,140,729
81 Incivek $701,317,408
82 Sandostatin Lar $697,961,265
83 Aciphex $683,359,951
84 Benicar Hct $681,353,719
85 Bystolic $681,318,227
86 Treanda $679,052,250
87 Focalin Xr $660,161,202
88 Erbitux $648,984,405
89 Tamiflu $641,134,799
90 Tarceva $640,597,157
91 Pristiq $632,619,542
92 Complera $630,039,312
93 Cubicin $628,034,439
94 Velcade $621,800,823
95 Strattera $616,604,042
96 Viread $599,074,197
97 Stribild $598,844,153
98 Welchol $573,939,710
99 Combivent Respimat $573,179,772
100 Xifaxan $569,762,570

Edit: I'll be danged, the link is now broken. It is a reliable source.
 
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they're not all psychiatric drugs, maybe your against the use of drugs for physical illness as well
 

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they're not all psychiatric drugs, maybe your against the use of drugs for physical illness as well
i think there is a very valid role for pharmacology, but to base an entire medical system/nations health on drugging everyone, & to have half the country permanently drugged (officially) is frankly Insane.
 
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