My Nightmare On Seroquel

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My Nightmare On Seroquel
PART 1

This essay examines my own personal tragic experiences with Seroquel and the doctors who prescribed it over a period of 6 years. This drug has taken away from me the best years of my life, and almost completely destroyed me. Therefore the tone of this essay will understandably be full of rage, resentment, sorrow, and disappointment which will render any real objective analysis of the facts nearly impossible, even though I will attempt to achieve a degree of objectivity in what I must say. I hope it may offer insight and help to other victims of the “psychiatric profession,” and help them to understand the true nature of the facts surrounding their so-called, in my opinion, “mental illness” and, as I believe, the liars who fabricate these diseases.


It does not mention my own name, as I am currently under a court order to take this drug against my will. For the last 4 years, I have taken 500-800 mg of Seroquel every night, as well as 3 mg of Rivotril, day and night. It does not mention the names of the doctors or the hospital that prescribed me these medications; their names are not revealed in order to protect their privacy. I believe that many of the psychiatrists I encountered at J.G. seem to suffer from severe "delusions of grandeur," since they have the hubris to label people as "mentally ill" without a single scientific test to back up their inherently subjective and improvable claims. If a "normal" human were to label people in such a manner they would be immediately exposed as a racist, bigot, or even Nazi, but these so-called doctors can spew their hatred under the guise of medical science with impunity. The real trouble that needs to be immediately stated here: I believe that the patient, their family, and society really starts to believes the lies of these highly educated quacks - they all start to believe these patients are truly "mentally ill" based on the non-scientific judgments and opinions of a single man. In my experience, as the patient continues blindly to use these killer drugs, their will and mind starts to fail, and they no longer see that they have basically signed their own death warrant by continuing dosages of these brain altering chemicals. Eventually the point of no return is reached.

Almost every psychiatrist I encountered at the J.G. had a different diagnosis of my "mental illness," revealing they have no consensus or science to back their ludicrous claims, and that they are completely blind and divided as to what they are really doing. In their eyes, the fact that you voluntarily show up at their door in distress must automatically mean that you are mentally ill. The name of the mental illness and the treatment proposed changes with every doctor you meet, very unlike the physical illnesses such as diabetes, heart disease, or cancer where science can demonstrate their existence through testing, and doctors more or less share consensus on the diagnosis and treatment.


I would like to know your thoughts about the legality of forcing people to take long-term psychiatric drugs against their will even though the person poses no imminent danger to self or others?
 
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My Nightmare with Seroquel Part 2

I will try to be as objective and honest as possible, but it is hard to do so when dealing with such an arrogant class of people who administer toxic products on a massive scale without the slightest shred of accountability. They are blind servants of a $330 billion dollar-a-year psychiatric drug industry that, in my opinion, fabricates mental illnesses to sell its products. I believe that perhaps only 0.01%, and maybe even less than that, of the entire population can be truly labeled mentally ill and may require medication; but drug companies would make no money treating such a tiny fraction of the population, therefore, in my opinion, they had to manufacture mental illness to larger segments of the population. I also think these pseudo doctors who prescribe on a dime get a sick pleasure from humiliating people by using their "specialist knowledge" to trick people into believing they are unwell, and then further deceiving their confused and trapped victims by telling them that somehow taking a pill will help.



I also believe these medications alter the natural chemistry of the brain, and actually cause a chemical imbalance (something they are claimed to "fix"!) that eventually leads to the breakdown of the brain and the death of the individual. These drugs are a form of chemical lobotomy that target the cerebral cortex, or the thinking and active center of the living brain. Luckily the brain can recover from these deadly pills when "treatment" stops, unlike a lobotomy, all depending upon how long and how much you have taken of them. These psychiatric drugs are like chemical WMD's launched by society against their own populations mainly to numb and silence the victims of this society. Luckily, hopefully, the brain recovers from these deadly pills when treatment stops.
 
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Welcome to the Forum

:) Welcome seroquelvictim :welcome:

I had a terrible experience with seroquel. It made me very stoned; it was most unpleasant. The doctor said to keep taking it and that I would get used to it. I was naive and listened to the doctor. So I was basically torturing myself in my own home every night. I did not get used to it and I endured this for two weeks.

It is very upsetting to be forced to take drugs. I am sorry they are forcing you to take the drug. Is there any way you can challenge this in the court system ??

I no longer trust the psychiatric system. I have had horrible side effects from everything they ever gave me. I got lupus from prozac. Went insane from steroids given for the lupus. Developed fibromyalgia from depakote. Was totally constipated from anafranil. And now I have GI distress from lithiium.

They want to stop the lithium and put me on abilify. They get away with this by having you stop the drug too fast and then you are obviously mentally ill and need another drug. The rebound effect from stopping the drug looks like mental illness. The only way to avoid the anxiety from stopping a drug is to stop extremely slowly.

And you're right, there is a small percentage of people who really need medications. But they're handing out pills like candy to everybody.
 
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My Nightmare with Seroquel Part 3

If you feel that Seroquel or other psychiatric drugs are helping you cope with life, then do not read further. My intention is not to break your faith in psychiatrists and the so called "medications" that may or may not be working for you. This essay is purely my experience with these so-called "specialist doctors," who I believe are death dealers in disguise. Obviously these doctors do not take the poisons they administer so freely to so many, so they really are unaware of the harm they are doing to others. In my opinion they are like crack dealers - making money and prestige by ruining the lives of others under the mask of helping "patients" find some peace and happiness in drug form. At least crack cocaine gives the individual moments of happiness; I believe that these psychiatric drugs give nothing and eventually take away everything, just like crack cocaine, except they do it at a much slower rate.

My story starts in a strange way. I will not discuss the reasons for my legal woes. Neither will I discuss my experience with other psychiatrists other than those of the J.G., psychiatrists whose findings completely contradicted the findings of the psychiatrists of the J.G.. During the year 2001, I decided to quit smoking. I developed horrific symptoms of breathlessness and constant coughing of black tar (and I mean coughing tar every few minutes!) that lasted for over an entire year. Symptoms only started to appear 1 month after quitting smoking. It felt as if there were pieces of my lung falling apart inside of me. In this state of distress, I sought medical help as I could not take it any longer. I went to several doctors who performed chest x-rays and pulmonary function tests. Everything, it was claimed, was normal, and it was just my lungs cleaning themselves out. Yet month after month the symptoms persisted, and so troubling was the breathlessness that I could no longer sleep properly. So what I did then was to seek relief in the form of sleeping pills. I went to a G.P. and he prescribed a small dose of Rivotril (.5mg), yet when I returned to ask for a refill, I was told that is was a psychiatric drug and that I needed a prescription filled by a psychiatrist to get it. So I got a referral to visit J.G. psychiatry out patient clinic. Not being able to breathe properly and the continuous coughing drove me to the brink. I finally got an appointment to meet with Dr. J at the J.G. outpatient clinic. He immediately prescribed the Rivotril I needed to sleep. REMEMBER: THE ONLY REASON I WENT TO J.G. WAS TO FIND SOME SOLUTION TO HELP ME SLEEP WITH THE BREATHING PROBLEMS I WAS FACING! He asked me if I was depressed, and I said I was. He immediately offered an anti-depressant to go along with the Rivotril, the name of which completely escapes me, as I would be put on so many in the course of our 1 year treatment together. He immediately set out to convince me that I suffered from other problems, totally apart from the problems caused by quitting smoking, or the entire reason I went there of my own free will in the first place; I didn't care what he said or meant; the only thing I cared about was getting the sleep, and getting the drugs to help me achieve it, as I could no longer sleep naturally.
 
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Seroyuelvictim, I can only echo what you have said.
Mental health "experts", in my opinion, only act on what they read and not the patient.
I to have been on the A to Z of drugs and just. recently given seroquel.
They won't give me anything for sleep.
Am "down" at moment but will continue corresponding when I feel able if that is ok.

Good luck with your court case.

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Now I wish to briefly digress from my original story to explain how psychiatric “treatment” works at the J.G. outpatient psychiatry unit:

Most people are unaware of how modern psychiatry works, and many have false conceptions of straitjackets and forced injections in the peoples’ butts. Certainly this was often true in the past, and in certain exceptional circumstances, is true today. But I believe that for the vast majority of people who seek psychiatric help without being institutionalized, the process works more of less like this:

1) A person in distress goes voluntarily to get assistance for mental stains and stresses they may be experiencing and which they find are hard to endure.

2) Even before meeting the psychiatrist face to face, in my experience, the assumption has already made by the psychiatrist that the patient is suffering from some sort of mental illness, and needs either immediate or long-term psychiatric assistance. The judgment is, in my opinion, made solely on the assumption that you have arrived their voluntarily, therefore of your own free will, rather than being forced to be there. You have "chosen" to be there.

3) They will ask you for a description of your mental and physical symptoms, and based on your words and behaviors (THERE ARE NO SCIENTIFIC TESTS HERE!) they will make a diagnosis. Barring any physical illnesses (THAT ARE TESTABLE!), they move on to forming a subjective diagnosis based on what you tell them is wrong with you. They use their Bible, the DSM-IV, as the basis for forming a diagnosis upon you. You may fall into several categories such as suffering from depression, psychosis, anxiety, bipolar disorder, personality disorder, etc., there are literally hundreds of mental illnesses they can choose from and label you with, although they are all pretty much similar.

4) After a formal diagnosis is made, often within a few minutes after meeting a psychiatrist, they use a medication manual to offer you an entire menu of drugs to choose from. The pyshciatrist suggests what they feel is the best class of drugs to deal with your “disorder.”

5) At this point the psychiatrist offers suggestions on what drugs he thinks will relieve the patient of their most distressing symptoms. In my experience the psychiatrist believes that there is no cure for mental illness, only temporary treatment through using drugs which leads to the cessation of symptoms. They themselves admit they have never cured anyone ever. Could it be the person was never sick to begin with?

6) What these psychiatrists really know well is their beloved drugs. They know all about dosing. They know about starting doses, the amount of mgs of does to increase over time, the safe dose limits of each drugs, and the time before a person feels the effects of the drug, and the amount of dose to decrease to wean a person off, etc. They are specialists in psychiatric drugs, and it is this knowledge, which anyone can find on the internet, which sets them apart from everyone else.

7) The have an arsenal of about 30-40 main psychiatric drugs that they use today to cover almost every single disorder. These drugs are used by millions and millions of people at outpatient psychiatric hospitals all over the world. Categories of Psychiatric Medications - The Medications - What Meds? - Stanford University School of Medicine

NEXT:
TREATMENT – IT’S YOUR CHOICE, SO WE CAN’T BE ACCOUNTABLE
 
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My apologies: someone messaged me because I wrote that I believed I was blocked from posting. This was not the case. I believe the reason I was sent to moderation queue was that I included an external link. I originally thought the grilling that I am giving to psychiatrists and their drugs was responsible for that, since it may break the faith of those here who are relying on these things for help. I do not want to discourage people from seeking help. I know of people who said psychiatric drugs helped them - just not for me!
 
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PART 5
TREATMENT – IT’S YOUR CHOICE, SO WE CAN’T BE ACCOUNTABLE

The patient selects a drug to take based on the psychiatrist’s suggestions.

If the patient has no experience in these matters, the doctor will choose the drug for them.

The psychiatrist will start with the minimum dose, and then slowly build it up over time, to allow the brain to adjust to this foreign chemical intrusion, telling the patient that they should start feeling the effects within a period of 6-8 weeks. At around this point, you are to return to the hospital and provide feedback as to whether the drug is making you feel better or worse. If you reply that you are feeling better, the psychiatrist may suggest upping the dose further or keeping it at the same level. If you feel so-so, the psychiatrist may consider upping the dose. Only if you have a real adverse reaction and hate the effects will the psychiatrist take you off it completely or wean you off the drug to try another. This process continues almost indefinitely until you find a drug that reacts well with you, if there is such a thing.

Therefore (and this is the important point!), it is the patient and not the doctor who chooses their treatment. The doctor merely offers suggestions on which drugs might help relieve distressing symptoms, but it is up to the patient whether they want to take the drug, continue or increase its dosage, or get off it altogether and try another, or even stop using all drugs altogether.


NOTE CONCERNING CENSORSHIP: Although none of my posts have been deleted, some of them have been definitely edited. To give an example of what I mean: In the first part, I wrote, "I hope it may offer insight and help to other victims of the “psychiatric profession,” and help them to understand the true nature of the facts surrounding their so-called “mental illness” and the liars who fabricate these diseases" has been changed to include "in my opinion, as I believe, etc." and reads now as follows: "I hope it may offer insight and help to other victims of the “psychiatric profession,” and help them to understand the true nature of the facts surrounding their so-called, in my opinion, “mental illness” and, as I believe, the liars who fabricate these diseases."
 
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Hi, seroquelvictim, welcome to the forum. A month away from 65, it has been my experience that the majority of people (including psychiatrist) mean no harm. Also, people work with the tools they have. If they have moderate success with drugs, they will use drugs. If they have moderate success with alternative treatment, they will use alternative treatments. If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything will look like a nail. I agree with you on the big pharmaceuticals and the over prescribing of drugs for mental health. There is big money in poverty, but the problem of poverty is never solved. I don't know the money motivation for psychiatrist, but for the most part, I feel they mean well.
 
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As for intentions, that is up to debate. In general, I believe , that psychiatrists feel they possess "expert knowledge" and, I believe, feel superior to the populations that they treat - the so-called mentally ill. They do not feel like they are on the same level with you. The psychiatrist is mentally healthy and the patient is mentally sick. This duality is, I believe, the hallmark of psychiatry, and a reproduction of elitist class society in medical form.

Psychiatry is, I believe, a real pseudoscience. Mental health and normalcy are defined according to the degree to which a person can function and perform in society. It is probably easy to agree what is the normal functioning of the heart and the lungs are. But what about the mind? If everyone thought exactly the same would that be a sign of mental health and normalcy? Of course not, it would mean the end of individuality!

YET THEY USE 30-40 DRUGS TO TREAT MILLIONS OF COMPLETELY UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS!


But what happens when these mental illnesses are CAUSED by the stresses and strains of competitive performance based capitalist society?



Therefore individual cure would be impossible without curing society as a whole.


But we're not going to look at the political dimensions of "mental illness" right now. Let me continue how my initial treatment began, and how it was escalated into something far worse, primarily because I originally trusted these "doctors," and I was in a subservient position of distress caused by my breathing problems.
 
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Hi, seroquelvictim. I've been reading your excellent posts.
I am going to see my psychiatrist today. She will undoubtedly tell me how wonderful abilify is and I will tell her I need to get off the lithium which is causing GI distress. She told me to lower it from 600mg to 300 mg and I am telling her that this is too big a reduction; a recipe for failure. They do this all the time so they can put you on another drug when the reduction causes withdrawal/reaction. I don't think she realizes that an extremely slow reduction will produce different results. She thinks she's being helpful. She is a really nice person, unlike some shrinks. She is NOT an elitist. She treats me with a sense of equinimity, If you want to read about really BAD shrinks, read my book. Go to Little Porcupine Goes to the Psyche Ward
 
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Tomorrow I meet with my Probation Officer. She is basically saying, "If you don't take your medications, you are in violation of your court order and release conditions and will be sent to jail." She has already made a few calls to my psychiatrist to inform him that she suspects that I am not taking my "medication." Try to imagine the nightmare that they could possibly imprison you "FOR NOT TAKING DRUGS!" I have spoken to my friends, and many have offered valuable advice on how to deal with her. I do not trust my psychiatrist, either, yet I am forced to have treatment with him for a period of 3 years (2 years left).

I would like some help, if someone can offer it, on how to deal with her. I feel humiliated being treated like that, and it could set me off, something I do not want to do as it could land me in jail.

I'm discussing my legal woes, something I said I would not do. LOL. But it is hard not to when you are walking a fine line between incarceration and freedom.

I think the whole reason I am posting here is because of the paradox of "FORCED PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT". My entire essay is an attempt to understand it.
 
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Hi Seroquelvictim, this is a major problem for all of us at some point.I am hoping you can argue that the drugs are giving you side effects that are making you ill.Your Probation Officer doesn't seem to be very understanding.Could that be cos you have offended by breaking the law in that you assaulted someone and are a danger to society?I don't mean to ask that or offend you and you don't have to answer but it may be why she is laying down the letter of what the court said to allow your release.My advice is find a mental health solicitor who can take her on for you,you need someone on your side.In my knowledge as far as I am aware you cannot be forced to take drugs on the outside of a section unless you are on a CTO in which case your only chance is to get a mental health solicitor to get you off it.I wish you all the best!Nikitax
 
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Gosh, I had no idea this was happening to you. I was Baker Acted a half dozen times or more and forced to take drugs in the hospital. So I have some idea of what you are experiencing. That is so demeaning to be forced by a Court order to take medication. What did they say was your diagnosis ?? What did you do to end up in the court system ?? I know a woman who is forced to take medication by the court system, but she was in jail for violent offenses. They changed her from a funny, lively person to a fat shadow of her former self. I'm really sorry this is happening to you. A big bear hug to you because you need one.
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Like your well written essay, my book was an attempt to understand what the hell had just happened to me. It might help you to read what happened to someone else. Just a thought.
 
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Sorry you had such a rough time of it that is A LOT of seroquel!
Intake 400 mg at night and go to sleep.
I am grateful for that because before that I never could sleep.
And FORCEDmdrugging in my opinion is SICK,
Meds should be a personal choice.
Good luck with the forces that be.
 
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I was on 800mg Seroquel for five years and when I came off it, I became psychotic for the first time in my life. The current psychiatrist, of which there have been many, has now decided I have schizophrenia after 20 odd years of being told I had OCD. But the psychotic episode was caused by Seroquel withdrawal!! I was sectioned last year because of the psychotic episode but with the consent of my GP I have been reducing the dose. I haven't told the psychiatrist and hope they agree in case I am sectioned again. It is a totally unfair system and it makes people ill rather than helps them.
 
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Well, to put it briefly, I was charged with uttering death threats online during an argument about religion.

There was no actual physical violence or plan to, but the people on the other end didn't know me and felt terrified, and contacted the police. They raided my house; charged me with death threats; had me institutionalized for 1 month for a psychiatric evaluation; and it goes on and on.

But I said I didn't want to talk about my legal issues. At least I'm a free man, for now! I do want to finish the story, but if you don't hear back from me tomorrow, you can be sure I've been arrested. LOL. I'm going to try my best to avoid that, though.
 
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