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More to dying than meets the eye

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More to dying than meets the eye: Martha Atkins at TEDxSanAntonio 2013 - YouTube


Published on 10 Dec 2013

Those who work with the dying are familiar with patients seeing long deceased loved ones, angelic beings, even hearing music and comforting voices as the patient nears death. Deathbed phenomena have been documented in the days, weeks, and months before death since the 1500s. Often confused with hallucinations, deathbed phenomena can bring comfort to patients and caregivers if those involved know what they are experiencing. This talk will explain deathbed phenomena and present on-going research about the topic. Accounts from the dying and bedside witnesses will be shared.

Top Five Phenomena That Offer Evidence For An Afterlife | The Daily Grail
 
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It's all in the mind lol
 
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Ultimately none of us know what if anything happens after death, there's many theories.

My favourite theory and the one I am sure on is the theory that we return to a state as we were before birth/conception....ie nothingness.
 
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It's all in the mind lol
That's the bit I find interesting. How much of the mind comes with you when you die? And what is my mind, anyway? I don't have the faintest idea how my memory works for instance, memories either just appear or they don't and I get this vague blankness, like some part of me shrugs and says "sorry mate, must've misplaced that bit, dunno". And emotions, where do they come from? This sudden surge of energy and openness when you feel enthusiastic, or the grumble and disturbance of anger?
 
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I stopped breathing and had to be revived because of anaphylactic shock, just a black void no memory of it, but I did have three morphine syrettes in me:meanie:
 
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Yes it's interesting isn't it? Is the mind both awareness and thought? Did I have a mind before I met thought? Or is that just half a mind? If I merged with thought to create self, and the body only came later then I suppose there is no need for the body for the mind to exist, but then, without the body a lot of feelings would not exist, so the body is a specific expansion of the mind which will be remembered, but no longer felt once it is gone I guess.

I remember my past lives, I remember my pre-creational selves, I remember my pre-self components. It does seem to make sense in a weird way, but it's still a myth.



That's the bit I find interesting. How much of the mind comes with you when you die? And what is my mind, anyway? I don't have the faintest idea how my memory works for instance, memories either just appear or they don't and I get this vague blankness, like some part of me shrugs and says "sorry mate, must've misplaced that bit, dunno". And emotions, where do they come from? This sudden surge of energy and openness when you feel enthusiastic, or the grumble and disturbance of anger?
 
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I'm aware of some of the options for me. Trying very hard to break out of the cycle.

Ultimately none of us know what if anything happens after death, there's many theories.

My favourite theory and the one I am sure on is the theory that we return to a state as we were before birth/conception....ie nothingness.
 
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Is the mind both awareness and thought? Did I have a mind before I met thought? Or is that just half a mind?
Thought is as much of a mystery as anything else. Thoughts just kind of pop up into my mind, with hardly a notion of origin. They kind of come in chains. Then there is what happens when I speak, that's bizarre as well, I just kind of decide on a subject, open my mouth and words start to come out.

I know I have different modes of thought, there is an analytical mode which works quite well and is quite logical, an emotional / compassionate mode which I access a lot while writing on the forums, and a freeform / ecstatic mode which is there when I'm enjoying a long walk on the beach for little periods. I think there is a 'truth' mode as well which sometimes happens when I'm talking about things that are highly meaningful to me, it's as if things open up deep inside and stuff aligns for me, and usually wise or clever words emerge which I later look at and think, I said more meaningful things than I thought. Then there is the 'inspiration' mode which comes up with leaps of logic or new ideas... Yesterday I had a cooking idea for the first time in my life I think, a suggestion on how to combine ingredients in an unconventional way.

I seem to have mostly banished the worrying mode of thinking, I rarely go there anymore although I used to spend a bit of time there.

I remember my past lives, I remember my pre-creational selves, I remember my pre-self components. It does seem to make sense in a weird way, but it's still a myth.
Then you're doing well on the path to spiritual enlightenment! On the rare occasions Osho talked about these things, he described a journey like that. I've yet to meet anything resembling a past life in my mind, I'm coming to the conclusion I don't know it all that well yet.
 
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Thought is indeed a weird thing, I have seperation of thought and awareness, so I understand a lot about the mechanisms between those two entities that create self. But still it is very confusing, easy to think it's actually someone elses mind you have been watching all these years, and yet, for the most part those thoughts are the thoughts awareness is looking to have.

Differing levels of conciousness show that thoughts come from different places, one way of looking at it is that we are experiencial units of the all, and that these thoughts we have, come from the all, often in response to the awarenesses need for them.
 
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That much I kind of knew, or suspected - that thoughts come from the common fabric, and come into our awareness depending on the circumstances of your self, and as your circumstances change you encounter new thoughts.

Have you ever read Brian Weiss' Many Lives, Many Masters? In the last ten pages he details a view of the human soul as a jewel encrusted with mud, and our task from life to life is to polish it's facets. Some are a little further along than others, but each jewel is the same, and when it is fully polished, your understanding complete, it is converted into another form of energy. It was told to him by the Masters, who communicated with him through a patient who functioned as a medium. He also includes a number of other stories of gifted mediums there.

It's book learning, so not much more than a hint compared to the value of direct experience, but it can still be useful. Might be worth your while to track down a copy just for a quick read of the last ten pages.
 
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No I've not read it, generally I don't read. That sounds similar to the Shinto concept of the soul picking up dirt and needing to be cleaned.
 
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From what I've experienced reading a lot about these subjects is not helpful while you are going through an awareness transition, it muddies the water with foreign concepts. So not surprised you don't read much :)

I'm not that familiar with Shinto, but this may have been a little different in that the implication was that the soul is dirty at the point where it starts it's journey through the lives, and that the ultimate goal is cleaning the jewel through gaining awareness of all the areas of our condition, and then transitioning to another energy or dimension. Imperfect understanding leads to continuing the journey into further human lives, according to the book.

It was actually an interesting story overall, about a young woman who suffers from numerous neuroses and mental health complaints, goes to Weiss, then a well-known psychiatrist, who treats her with hypnotic regression therapy and ends up journeying with her across her past lives over months of therapy.
 
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Yes I journey with people and their past lives, I try to focus on resolving the issues brought forward, sometimes I channel the entire family group to gain forgiveness and understanding. I have even been in one case, the past life that persecuted the past life of another. That's pretty interesting territory.

When I first woke up my 6 year old daughter introduced me to Shinto, it is a nice introduction to spirituality since there is very little doctrine, which also means it can be vague. as in where the dirt comes from. It is interesting in that according to shinto, you visit hell to get your "dirt" scrubbed off. It's a terrifying place, but one that most Shintoists think they will visit.
 
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