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I'm grateful for my housing at the moment, not bad touchwood after some i've been in, i wouldn't like a tower block
Well I too could make assumptions here Ramboo, but i wont!..
The very first 'brickbuilt place' I called my temperory home, was a flat in a Homeless Programe.. It was a tower block.
My first permanent tenancy was also in a two bed High Rise, there was Consierge too back then, with an on site Caretaker-a lovely man who would help anyone.. There were also Laundrette facilities in both blocks ..all in all, it was a v.positive Start to my Council Tennant experience!..

Not all areas are the same Rambo, they are as individual as the Community that it Houses!
 
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Anti social behaviour does blight some areas, not always due to off meds people but quite often you'll find someone who has been housed on the grounds of mental health who isn't compliant with meds, thats just my experience

My last alky neighbour i don't know if he had a mental health diagnosis, some would say alcoholism is one, he was dumped wsithout any support which is another issue and went back on the booze, i cleaned up pools of blood 5 times in that last place

Another place some guy beat me up and said if i told anyone he had friends who'd arrange to have me found floating face down in a canal, remember some women on the bus asking him why he didn't take meds, he said they made him tired and he didn't like the side effects, i thought what about the side effects of 4 cans of tennants extra strong a night

This is the nearest to decent housing i've had, my oap neighbour is in and out of hospital and i wonder who'll replace her, i can understand the public not wanting schitzoprenics for neighbours, if they come off meds it's hell and as people know i'm one myself, guess there could be psychobabble about that
 
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i think the physically disabled are housed in adapted housing leaving a group of people mental illness druggies alkys to be housed in certain housing,

Rambo what is your 'thinking' based upon, a daily newspaper per chance ??..
Unless you have actually lived within a certain Social Housing Community, What exactly gives you license to quote here ?..
I am actually classed a physically disabled now, and i live within a mixed community,.. We even have one or two snob types here, which i also find v.funny!.
My thinking is based on belonging to a housing campaigning group at my local disability,centre since cut
 
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The tone in your posts seem almost based, back in reality??. Lofty attitudes are surely are not needed here. 'So what' if people are in Social Housing with physical an mental health problems ? You or anyone else can not convince me that those in Private Sector do not have the very same problems!!..
 
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A lot of the old council housing in fact an awful lot got sold off, the remnants are used to house some very needy people and the problems go round

You can't as far as i know be in a mortgage in the private sector and in receipt of means tested benefit, renting in the private sector they're tightening up on rents, i know it's all change, i am glad theres now community treatment orders, whether rightly or wrongly attitudes are going a certain way, in some ways it bothers me, theres the way i come across, but certain experiences, been told i wasn't a priority and been left to become one, one counciller claimed i was suffering from ptsd after one area
 
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Coming Off Psychiatric Drugs by Peter Lehmann

Your Drug May Be Your Problem:
How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications
by Peter Breggin M.D. and David Cohen Ph.D

The Heart of Being Helpful:
Empathy and the Creation of a Healing Presence by Peter Breggin, M.D

Peter Breggin's site -

Psychiatric Drug Facts with Dr. Peter Breggin - HOME

THE NECESSITY OF MADNESS by John Breeding

John Breeding's Web Site - (also look at his videos on U-Tube)

John Breeding - Counseling and Consultation, Austin, TX

Agnes's Jacket by Gail A. Hornstein

& her web site which is a brilliant resource -

Home - Gail A. Hornstein

Alternatives Beyond Psychiatry by Peter Stastny and Peter Lehmann

Broken Brains or Wounded Hearts by Ty Colbert, PhD.

http://208.106.160.3...http://208.106.160.3/zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

The MIND Web Site is a Great resource -

http://www.mind.org....http://www.mind.org.uk/help/medical_and_alternative_care/making_sense_of_coming_off_psychiatric_drugs

Coming off psychiatric medication web site -

Coming Off Psychiatric Medication - Home

The Road Back Program -

The Road Back Program. Featuring How to Get Off Psychoactive Drugs Safely. The Road Back Program.

Dante's Cure - (med free recovery)

Dante's Cure

Take these Broken Wings - (med free recovery)

DVDs for sale

Beyond meds Blog - ( an excellent resource)

Beyond Meds

Madness Radio -

Latest Shows | Madness Radio

Mind Freedom -

MindFreedom International: Activism for Human Rights in Mental Health — MFIPortal

The Icarus Project -

The Icarus Project | Navigating the Space Between Brilliance and Madness

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-And so back to the ORIGINAL NATURE of this thread !! Sorry Apo .
 
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thats the thing having seen neighbours and friends with severe mental illness come off meds, i can't be silent when alternatives to meds are pushed as though they're complete alternatives

There is undoubtedly a place for alternatives in conjunction to meds, but as a cure i can't accept that and some reading certain posts will come off meds without any support with inevitable consequences

I'm talking about severe mental illness, i know these things are hard to define but there is a difference between schitzoprenia and mild depression

It doesn't help that i drink at night

deja vu even to the off meds posting late at night, seems they have problems sleeping
 
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i can't be silent when alternatives to meds are pushed as though they're complete alternatives
This culture & system is epitomised by label & drug, & the views of the pharmacological/biologic psychiatric Industry dominate this area. I see very little of & very few people talking about viable alternatives to it all. The fact remains that there are complete alternatives & this has been proved over & over to be the case.

i can't accept that and some reading certain posts will come off meds without any support with inevitable consequences
People need support. But this information is for everyone - individuals with difficulties, their families, care givers, whomever. It's to try & give a more balanced view on this area, & help people to be more aware of other possible approaches & understandings. & many people can potentially benefit from this information.

There is also the following Warning on the first page of this thread - & all the material cited acknowledges & stresses people having genuine & comprehensive help & support.

Most psychiatric drugs can cause withdrawal reactions, sometimes including life-threatening emotional and physical withdrawal problems. In short, it is not only dangerous to start taking psychiatric drugs, it can also be dangerous to stop them. Withdrawal from psychiatric drugs should be done carefully under experienced clinical supervision.
 
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i agree with you meds are used as the only option when alternatives would allow less meds in conjunction with them, don't i know it whether alternatives are a complete alternative in my case i doubt

I know at the moment with mother in a home alternatives could be offered to increasing the meds, in reality they're not and with the present lot in power they're not likely to be

i still think your posts encourage people to come off meds without support

i sometimes think of alistair campbell whatever he had he was a member of the establishment, think he learnt the art of spin from psychiatrists
 
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i agree with you meds are used as the only option when alternatives would allow less meds in conjunction with them, don't i know it whether alternatives are a complete alternative in my case i doubt
Maybe not in your case - & for a lot of us it's all hypothetical because there was never really any real choice.

i still think your posts encourage people to come off meds without support
There isn't really an exact way of knowing is there? & that certainly isn't my intention - I spend my time stressing the importance of proper & genuine help & support; of comprehensive psychological & social support approaches.

I know that I could have really done with knowing a lot of the information that I post; around 24 years ago - & I really wish that the people around me had been aware of it all as well. I wish that society was far more aware of all these areas. It has helped me to educate myself in these areas.

I try to post & present all this information in as balanced a way as possible. The fact is that regardless of what I post; rates of non-compliance are high. At least with this information there is a lot of emphasis on harm reduction, & at least some information about how to try & best deal with things. At least people can, if they so choose make a more informed choice.

Ultimately however - it's not my responsibility. There is however a responsibility somewhere along the line for the fact of countless millions being drugged their whole lives, with no access to viable alternatives - & all that entails.

I stopped medication 5 times before coming across the bulk of all this information; & have been compliant with a low dose of a medication ever since - Doesn't that say something?

All this off med lot you know - Did they all come on here & read this thread & then decide to stop medication? Are/were they all highly informed on all these subjects? Are the vast majority that stop meds? I think that you know the answers to those questions...
 
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my friend went into the arbours, i said theres no long term follow up, he said thats fascist people aren't likely to turn up at the arbours 7 yrs later and say they're alright, i said equally they're not likely to turn up and say they're in hospital

My friend 7yrs later was in hospital, a no of breakdowns after the arbours ended up sectioning him when the going got tough

the guy now says he hates laing, i said if laing had cured you you'd be praising him, he knew laing when he was young

On the other hand the guys got benefit support and dla at the high rate, also direct payments
 
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i still think your posts encourage people to come off meds without support
Rambo even as your opinion, i am finding this quiet hard to comphrend?.. Apo strikes me as someone who does his homework on any given subject, not only that but draws from his own vast experience on the M.h subject.. give the man a break !
 
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the arbours used to advertise as one of your off meds cures
 
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the arbours used to advertise as one of your off meds cures
I see - None of them are 'my off med cures' - I've not written a book on it all or formulated my own approach - all the information here is from other sources/people.

If I do ever write a book on it all however, then I'll be sure to send you a copy.

Plenty of people that have though - This was a very good recent example -

Rethinking Madness - http://www.rethinkingmadness.com/#/the-book/4558919669

Although again; it's not 'my off med cure' - it's a book exploring more comprehensive ways of genuinely understanding & helping people that experience psychosis.

& here are some others (none of them are mine either) -

http://www.rethinkingmadness.com/#/books-and-film/4563430101
 
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