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More comprehensive & humane understandings & approaches to schizophrenia/psychosis

View of self as mind, body, soul & spirit within environment - biological, psychological, social & spiritual/transpersonal paradigm - Integral/Holistic -

Intimations (a small selection) -

Symbols of Transformation by Carl Jung
Unshrinking Psychosis by by John Watkin
The Exploration of the Inner World by Boisen, Anton T
Recovering Sanity: A Compassionate Approach to Understanding and Treating Psychosis by Edward Podvoll
Soul Centered Healing by Tom Zinser
The Psychology of the Esoteric by Osho
Worlds Beyond Death by Grant H Pealer
Journey of Souls - by Michael Newton
Exploring the Eternal Soul - by Andy Tomlinson
The New Regression Therapy - by Greg McHugh
Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and Its Attainment - by Rudolf Steiner

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Soteria -

Schizophrenia Treatment Without Antipsychotic Drugs and the Legacy of Loren Mosher
soteria network home

Open Dialogue -

Open Dialogue UK
Open dialogue: A care model that could put mental health social work back on the map? | Community Care
Finland Open Dialogue

Diabasis/i-ward -

http://michaelcornwall.com/tag/diabasis-house/

Windhorse -

http://www.windhorseimh.org/

The Retreat/Quaker -

http://www.theretreatyork.org.uk/

From the RCP -

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/By a Service User The Holistic Approach to Psychosis.pdf

ISPS -

http://www.isps.org/
http://www.ispsuk.org/

ISPS is an international organization promoting psychotherapy and psychological treatments for persons with psychosis (a term which includes persons diagnosed with "schizophrenia"). We are committed to advancing education, training and knowledge of mental health professionals in the treatment and prevention of psychotic mental disorders. We seek to achieve the best possible outcomes for service user/survivors by engaging in meaningful partnership with health professionals, service user/survivors, families and carers.
Crazy Wise Project -

http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread86275.html

Spiritual emergency -

http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread87107.html
http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread54371.html
http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/search.php?searchid=2242527

Alternatives -

http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread39392.html

The list goes on..........
 
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Do you think you'll ever find it cpu? The solution in text books and other peoples teachings? Or do you think you'll roll out of bed one day with an epiphany and stride out the door feeling perfectly well to complete your life's work, or will you be ever doomed to watch reruns of zoolander?
 
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Do you think you'll ever find it cpu? The solution in text books and other peoples teachings? Or do you think you'll roll out of bed one day with an epiphany and stride out the door feeling perfectly well to complete your life's work, or will you be ever doomed to watch reruns of zoolander?
All things considered i feel that i've made a lot of progress & am on the right path. i do what the the majority of you do, accept the diagnosis/condition & take the pills - i'm Not anti-psychiatry & a wise use of medications. i feel that i've also got a lot from exploring alternatives.

i would like to see a more humane/comprehensive understanding/approach & care towards people with mental health difficulties - is that a bad thing? Currently beyond the essentials & priorities in my life, what else am i currently going to do with things? Would like to write a book on it all, outlining the above.
 
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View of self as mind, body, soul & spirit within environment - biological, psychological, social & spiritual/transpersonal paradigm - Integral/Holistic -

Intimations (a small selection) -

Symbols of Transformation by Carl Jung
Unshrinking Psychosis by by John Watkin
The Exploration of the Inner World by Boisen, Anton T
Recovering Sanity: A Compassionate Approach to Understanding and Treating Psychosis by Edward Podvoll
Soul Centered Healing by Tom Zinser
The Psychology of the Esoteric by Osho
Worlds Beyond Death by Grant H Pealer
Journey of Souls - by Michael Newton
Exploring the Eternal Soul - by Andy Tomlinson
The New Regression Therapy - by Greg McHugh
Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and Its Attainment - by Rudolf Steiner


To all you Nay Sayers - the vast majority of you - What's the issue exactly with the deeper understandings & more comprehensive approaches to it all? i don't get it? It's like you're all in on something that i can't fathom. Maybe i'm missing something here..........
 
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It's like you're all in on something that i can't fathom.
It is simpler than that, cpu, most of us have just resigned ourselves to the easier path of least resistance. To get my benefits, I have to do what my doctor and the system says.
 
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It is simpler than that, cpu, most of us have just resigned ourselves to the easier path of least resistance. To get my benefits, I have to do what my doctor and the system says.
Truth is still the truth - regardless of social conformity/acquiescence to the system.
 
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Look, this may be a little off topic here, but what I need in addition to medication is community. I need to meet face to face with other people who have mental illness and talk to them. I need to engage in shared activities. I need a social life bad. Recently, I've discovered that community in the form of the Clubhouse at MHA (Mental Health Agency). The problem is, I can only go there for a year. I don't know where I'll go to meet people after that. And I'll lose contact with the friends I made there. There are already a couple of people I'm attached to. The thought of losing them pains me.
My point is that people who develop mental illness need community as well as medication. But most of us are ostracized and live lives of isolation. How can anyone expect us to be healthy in such a painfully unhealthy situation?
 
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My point is that people who develop mental illness need community as well as medication. But most of us are ostracized and live lives of isolation. How can anyone expect us to be healthy in such a painfully unhealthy situation?
Is that the idea/intention? More profits for drug companies & other vested interests.......more social control etc, etc, etc.
 
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View of self as mind, body, soul & spirit within environment - biological, psychological, social & spiritual/transpersonal paradigm - Integral/Holistic -

Intimations (a small selection) -

Symbols of Transformation by Carl Jung
Unshrinking Psychosis by by John Watkin
The Exploration of the Inner World by Boisen, Anton T
Recovering Sanity: A Compassionate Approach to Understanding and Treating Psychosis by Edward Podvoll
Soul Centered Healing by Tom Zinser
The Psychology of the Esoteric by Osho
Worlds Beyond Death by Grant H Pealer
Journey of Souls - by Michael Newton
Exploring the Eternal Soul - by Andy Tomlinson
The New Regression Therapy - by Greg McHugh
Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and Its Attainment - by Rudolf Steiner
Some other interesting books that i'd add -

The Hero With a Thousand Faces - The Inner Reaches of Outer Space & Others by Joseph Campbell.
Dante's Cure by Daniel Dorman
The Far Side of Madness - Trials of the Visionary Mind & Others by John Weir Perry
Agnes's Jacket: A Psychologist's Search for the Meanings of Madness by Gail A. Hornstein
Difference Dissolved: Mystic Union by Spencer Perdriau
Dancing with the Devil: Survival for Healers and Therapists by David Ashworth
Books by Vernon Howard
Spiritual Psychiatries: Mental Health Practices in India and UK by Natalie Tobert PhD
Soteria by Loren Mosher

[Many Others]
 
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i still get the jibes & piss takes - But i'm Not as openly attacked for sharing this material as i used to be, But that maybe has a lot to do with the nature of this forum, i've been banned from everywhere else for discussing this material. Seriously, Why are so many of you so opposed to any deeper understandings & more comprehensive approaches to madness??? Is it fear? Social Conformity as Mark says? What is it?
 
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I think Brant Cortright's article had it right when he said spiritual emergencies seemed to come in layers, with influences ranging from physical to mental / social to the personal unconscious to the collective unconscious to the spiritual, and that these levels require different approaches in treatment.

Reading books can be treatment for disorder on the mental level, helping to clarify the thought space and giving a definition to parts of the experience and maybe a path.

Other levels of the experience are helped by social activity, psychotherapy or meditation. It really depends on your specific disorder and on which levels it is active.

But not everyone will see their experience as a spiritual emergency. Some will just be suffering anxiety or depression, without any spiritual features.
 
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Reading books can be treatment for disorder on the mental level, helping to clarify the thought space and giving a definition to parts of the experience and maybe a path.
The OP was more about saying there are alternative views, understandings & approaches to mental health experiences.
 
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" Reading books can be treatment for disorder on the mental level, helping to clarify the thought space and giving a definition to parts of the experience and maybe a path."

That's what I was referring to in my original post, the notion the answer lies in the process of learning alternative approaches, that the process itself can be therapeutic . Or is the actual implementation of alternative methods by a third party such as a Jung therapist the answer.
 
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That's what I was referring to in my original post, the notion the answer lies in the process of learning alternative approaches, that the process itself can be therapeutic . Or is the actual implementation of alternative methods by a third party such as a Jung therapist the answer.
Obviously the current system/society is the way it all is - i have sought out more comprehensive alternatives for over 30 years - & it's been very hard to find/access - i haven't been able to in a more satisfactory way - unfortunately we all have to live under & conform to some degree to the biomedical psychiatric/materialist paradigm, as strongly as some of us (a few) disagree with it all.

Humbly i now know far far more about all these area than the vast majority of other people that i come across.

Where could i have accessed/do i access an appropriate person centered & caring sanctuary like Diabasis/Soteria with comprehensive/genuine Jungian/Depth/transpersonal therapy? Such a thing doesn't exist, Not in the UK & i doubt anywhere else in the World in any comprehensive/meaningful sense.

i've tried to find an appropriate therapist & it's never worked out - i can't find one that's good enough/appropriate - the best i've found has been alternative healers, but there's a problem in that they're often Not trained in/nor aware of mental health/therapy areas. Currently the most therapeutic help i have is with a few fellow experiencers on-line via private messages & a friend in my life who has been through similar & has also trained in therapy & associated areas.

i've never had appropriate psychological/therapeutic understanding/help/support & have had to muddle through on my own under incredibly difficult circumstances - it still is very difficult overall life circumstances. Where is all this magical/appropriate understanding & help/support that you both speak of? That's in part the point of the OP - where are these approaches/understandings in this society/culture - we're in the Age of complete Idiocy & outright lunacy - Most people never progress beyond the pubescent stage of development (psychologically & emotionally) in the West.
 
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I'm looking for another way which doesn't involve medications. My view on it all is why not try, you have nothing to lose. I've been on meds now a total of almost 9 years on and off with almost 5 years med free after first episode. Being on meds changes me, I don't like it. I spend a lot of time just laying in bed. Everything my life involved before meds has ended and I want it back. I need to wait until I move out of my parents until I try a non meds approach. I don't want to view my problems as some spiritual breakthough but just a problem with my brain. I recently bought an ebook on coping with delusions, only read half up to now but it seems to be about learning to live with/cope with delusions rather than getting rid of them. My problem is persecutory delusions.
 
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I'm looking for another way which doesn't involve medications. My view on it all is why not try, you have nothing to lose.

I don't want to view my problems as some spiritual breakthough but just a problem with my brain. I recently bought an ebook on coping with delusions, only read half up to now but it seems to be about learning to live with/cope with delusions rather than getting rid of them. My problem is persecutory delusions.
Good luck with it all.

My main problem was delusions as well. i think that i've done well to have had the fullness of life that i have with everything that i've had to cope with - to maintain stability & independent living, on a low dose of one medication.

There are ways of getting successfully med free because plenty of people do it when it's looked into - there are no guarantees though. i stopped all medication 5 times, with increasingly severe consequences - Have reached a place of acceptance around the diagnosis, condition/illness & medication (for myself) - still very much think that i could have been & could be far better helped - that's my gripe still with all this. But the lot of the 'schizophrenic' is what it is, we have the hand of cards that we're dealt - the cosmic dice game played by the gods is rigged the way it is.

A problem with the brain? A spiritual emergency? A psychological problem? A sociological issue? etc - i think it's probably an individual mix & combination of factors.
 
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Been busy today, but a gem of a question popped into presumptuous peasant mind earlier this afternoon.
" Can one theorize oneself to wellness?"
 
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Been busy today, but a gem of a question popped into presumptuous peasant mind earlier this afternoon.
" Can one theorize oneself to wellness?"
i think a lot depends on the nature of the condition? i'd wager it's primarily psychogenic - on that basis i'd think that there is a potential in part or full resolution, with the right kind of work on it all.
 
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View of self as mind, body, soul & spirit within environment - biological, psychological, social & spiritual/transpersonal paradigm - Integral/Holistic -

Intimations (a small selection) -

Symbols of Transformation by Carl Jung
Unshrinking Psychosis by by John Watkin
The Exploration of the Inner World by Boisen, Anton T
Recovering Sanity: A Compassionate Approach to Understanding and Treating Psychosis by Edward Podvoll
Soul Centered Healing by Tom Zinser
The Psychology of the Esoteric by Osho
Worlds Beyond Death by Grant H Pealer
Journey of Souls - by Michael Newton
Exploring the Eternal Soul - by Andy Tomlinson
The New Regression Therapy - by Greg McHugh
Knowledge of the Higher Worlds and Its Attainment - by Rudolf Steiner

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Soteria -

Schizophrenia Treatment Without Antipsychotic Drugs and the Legacy of Loren Mosher
soteria network home

Open Dialogue -

Open Dialogue UK
Open dialogue: A care model that could put mental health social work back on the map? | Community Care
Finland Open Dialogue

Diabasis/i-ward -

http://michaelcornwall.com/tag/diabasis-house/

Windhorse -

http://www.windhorseimh.org/

The Retreat/Quaker -

http://www.theretreatyork.org.uk/

From the RCP -

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/By a Service User The Holistic Approach to Psychosis.pdf

ISPS -

http://www.isps.org/
http://www.ispsuk.org/



Crazy Wise Project -

http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread86275.html

Spiritual emergency -

http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread87107.html
http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread54371.html
http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/search.php?searchid=2242527

Alternatives -

http://www.mentalhealthforum.net/forum/thread39392.html

The list goes on..........
i see No rational/logical reasons to refute any of the above & don't see why more humane/comprehensive & better treatment can't be implemented for people?
 

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