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Mindfully imbibing alcohol

Kerome

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My top tip for avoiding lengthy negative fases: drink plenty of water, after the euphoric stage, and eat some chocolate. That will clear up most of the dullness.
 
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There's a micro brewery five minutes from my house called the Funky Buddha Brewery. You could write up a pamphlet for them about your observations. LOL
 
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There is a risk in mindful drinking for those who have an addictive personality, and that is that it brings the drink and the pleasures of it directly to the forefront of the mind. As you’ve noticed from my posts there has been a progression from beer to whiskey, and I have had some days where I’ve drink 3 double whiskeys (mostly to blot out other significant problems with voices).

So if you do decide to experiment with mindful drinking this is something you’ll want to keep a close eye on. My personal plan is to reduce the drinking to a lower level now that I’ve gained from it what I was interested in, I don’t see much spiritual benefit to more than say a single drink a week to take advantage of increased insight and ‘looseness of the ego’.

The intense experiences of a heavy whiskey session combined with mindfulness of the body do have a certain cleansing effect, it’s like harnessing a rising tide of infinite energy, but within six hours you pay for it with dullness and so on. I think after a few sessions like that you’ve gotten out of it what was in it, and the rest is mainly drinking for pleasure.
 
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The other effect to be aware off with alcohol is “the cloud”, a kind of fuzzing and obscuring of consciousness. It can be good, leading to well-being and a general improved state of relaxation, but it can also be bad, in that it decreases awareness.
I’ve decided not to drink today, but I do have a few observations to record.

While you are recovering from a stressful phase of mental health, such as the recent attempted lowering of dosage of medication which in my case brought on some further attacks of voices, alcohol when the mind is quiet can bring on a state of extreme lassitude in which you can “work out all the kinks”. It’s like ironing a sheet to free all the crinkles. For me this state can be accessed by taking two double whiskeys and spending some time in a highly relaxed environment like bed or a warm bath, and focussing on nothing but the “warm glow” in a kind of meditative semi-trance. I’d recommend ambient sound off YouTube like rainstorm with thunder or a crackling fire, nothing too emotive.
 
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my dad usually offers me an alcoholic beverage once a day. A red wine, or a spirit liqueur. I find it keeps me mellow.
 
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i had a little alcohol yesterday & today also after eating. It's not usual for me to drink alcohol :)

:wine: cheers!
 
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Well thank you guys for showing a little solidarity. I think my little adventure with mindful consumption of alcohol has shown that there are many little useful meditations you can do with it, but you shouldn’t expect it to be life changing. It can smooth the road, that is all. It’s certainly helped me over some difficult spots.

At the same time it is also a very addictive and physically damaging drug, which doesn’t always play well with different kinds of medication. It’s worth monitoring your drinking and especially how much you think about drinking... if you often get an impulse of “let’s have a drink”, then you know you’re probably in trouble with your alcohol consumption.
 
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I’ve found some interesting information including that George Gurdjieff, the early 20th century mystic, also used to drink quite a bit. He had this to say about it:

“There are schools which make use of narcotics in the right way. People in these schools take them for self-study; in order to take a look ahead, to know the possibilities better, to see beforehand, ‘in advance,’ what can be attained later on as the result of prolonged work. When a man sees this and is convinced that what he has learned theoretically really exists, he then works consciously, he knows where he is going. Sometimes this is the easiest way of being convinced of the real existence of those possibilities which man often suspects in himself.”

“Gurdjieff, who had an unusual capacity for drink, made a careful distinction between ordinary drinking and conscious drinking which could free the ‘I’ to think, feel, talk and act; that is, to expose ‘essence’”

This speaks more to the uses of alcohol in general self study and meditation than in mindfulness, but it’s still interesting. I’ll write more about the Gurdjieff angle as I catch up on my reading.
 
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It’s always been controversial though.

On the one hand Gurdjieff says it is essential in knowing yourself, in freeing yourself from restraints and letting the inner parts of awareness come forth. He would drink significant amounts, he would have these toasts of Armagnac to the “world’s idiots” which would run to eight or nine rounds, which would have to be drunk “honestly”. The purpose of which was mostly to observe his students as they became more intoxicated.

On the other hand Osho said: “My methods are different from George Gurdjieff′s. I am not in favor of any alcoholic beverages. I am not in favor of any psychedelic drugs either, because they all create illusory worlds for you and they all are distractions. They make you more and more oblivious of your own being, unaware of your own self.”
 
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Hi Kerome. I've been following this thread. For me, Japanese Saki was like a medicine when I got hysterical on rare occasions. It lay me out on the couch and stopped the extreme nausea. So for me it was medicinal. This led me into learning not to get hysterical in the first place. Because as helpful as the Saki was, I would be horrendously depressed thereafter.

In my way of thinking, if something is very helpful at first but then turns bad, it is of the tamas quality. If something is very helpful and has no drawback, it is of the satvic quality.
 
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Tamas (philosophy) - Wikipedia

Interesting, so tamas is “darkness or inertia”. While I dont think alcohol is unalloyed good or purity, other than in the chemical sense, it certainly has medicinal uses. I don’t know where I’d fit it into your system. It definitely is sedating, so in that sense inertia is not totally inappropriate.

I find your experience with the sake a nice illustration of how alcohol can be useful Poopy. In the 19th century alcohol or rather strong brandy was one of the doctors tools, they used it against hysteria and as a sedative during operations.
 
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zen and the art of been an alcoholic, sounds good to me
 
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Interesting reading Kerome.

I think these days it's difficult to talk about 'cultural differences' with alcohol consumption.

History tells us about alcohol tolerance, and its affects. Western people (the ones who have consumed alcohol for hundreds/into the thousands of years) - have far more tolerance than certain other cultures or races.

In Britain/europe we drank beer/wine because the alternative was water and cholera! In the far-east they used boiling water and tea. Hence huge differences in today's world with tolerance levels and exposure to it. If you are of 'western' decent, then I think 1 beer per day won't harm you at all. Though I'm not a doctor!

The highest percentage problems with alcohol are the people most recently exposed to it - i.e since industrial revolution, so 300-400 years, and this is people like aboriginals, native americans, and eskimos, to name a few.
 
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Interesting reading Kerome.

I think these days it's difficult to talk about 'cultural differences' with alcohol consumption.

History tells us about alcohol tolerance, and its affects. Western people (the ones who have consumed alcohol for hundreds/into the thousands of years) - have far more tolerance than certain other cultures or races.

In Britain/europe we drank beer/wine because the alternative was water and cholera! In the far-east they used boiling water and tea. Hence huge differences in today's world with tolerance levels and exposure to it. If you are of 'western' decent, then I think 1 beer per day won't harm you at all. Though I'm not a doctor!

The highest percentage problems with alcohol are the people most recently exposed to it - i.e since industrial revolution, so 300-400 years, and this is people like aboriginals, native americans, and eskimos, to name a few.
some say it's genetic and related to a gene that codes for an enzyme that breaks down alcohol
 
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