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you want to take your foot out your mouth ,( quote) majority of people are stupid.(end qoute) your words, Are you saying a big percent of med poster,s are stupid.shame on you . you want to get out more, your seeing a shrink because your on meds ,an say you have a very good relations with the very people that dispence your dreaded meds, an cohort with the corperations.an earn thousand,s. now your on about saveing the planet from these people.your view,s defeat each other ,you fill your mind with bullshit an i for one of the stupid people your on about . will reach for the off button at your threads :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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Apotheosis

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Whatever - What does it matter what I meant or what I think? It's all bullshit anyway, right?
 
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its not that you have you opinion,s n boy do you, but what about all the new posters , who have just started meds an are looking for comfort an advice,then they clock some off your posts , an think im in deep shit , im thick so i better bin all my meds , like this guy says.or i will distroy the planet.would you like to tell the poster,s how many sites your on ,an how many your banded from with your comments,there all rant,s at someone or something, or some cosmic cowboy fantacy:confused::(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 
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Apotheosis

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I can no longer read anything you post on the forum Trainwreck - you are on my ignore list. But I'm sure it's all very interesting what you replied anyway. :D
 
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Apotheosis

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I have considered this thread 'Trainwreck', & what you have written previously.

Many people have appreciated what I post on this forum, & I have had many thanks in my private messages. I do understand how difficult it is for you to deal with people of different opinions; but this is part of a public forum and choice. If there was anything wrong with my posts; then the moderators would have removed them, there isn't, so your problems are just that, yours. You appear to only ever tear down what others are saying, & whilst you may not agree with things, my opinions, & the opinions of others; there are those few that do. I speak with those people. If you don't like that, then don't read.

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your back , i thought you had had given in , it must be a good read with the star rateins , an as you say its a forum , one witch you near on fill yourself,lets just get this out the way, i dont tear down peoples posts ,only yours ,i try an help with med questions an answerers if i no them.if not a i stay clear, Me an you have in a way the same problem ,we reap what we sow i have guilt i live with ,but i only blame myself, you blame every one but.ok you took shed loads of drugs 20 years ago , by the way i didnt, you go to prison your head is fucked already, you say they give you meds you dindt need , what can they do watch you bang your head against the wall or maby show you a list an say please pick a med you fancy, ok you come out scewed you have had 20 years to come of what ever . you are ill my friend just like me , you need the drug companies like me,it no use blaiming them for being ill,have a go at the tobacca companies the amout of cig,s you get down you, its there fault you proberbly say, you will be dead with cancer long before the meds get you ;)i rest my case your honour ;);)
 
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I viewed your last message; seeing as it is in this thread;

I choose to smoke. Just because I smoke; does that then mean that I should tolerate every other thing that is bad for me? What kind of reasoning is that!? Oh I smoke & it's going to kill me; so I may as well take the front door off the microwave to get a sun tan & then leap out the window?

As adults we make choices. I am generally of good health & reasonably young. There is nothing to say I won't be off the ciggies too at some stage. Statistically it is likely I will get off them. & fear mongering aside; even if I carry on, it is a 50/50 chance of whether smoking gets me. It isn't a done deal.

Medication is not tobacco - I never had any choice about being put on these meds. They have caused damage & a loss of quality of life. Given the full picture I have done what the medical profession said to me could not be done; already - I have been told I would be on the dose I was on for life & I wouldn't sort out my 'addiction problems'. From 11 years ago I have gone from 1200mg to 162mg of this drug! - Successfully. I have come off anti depressants; & stopped alcoholic drinking & habitual drug use. They also told me I wouldn't be able to live independently; & I have been for 8 years now. What does that say about them? & their lies.

Everything I have read on the subject of MH recovery points to the majority of people having the capacity to recover. All the mental health charities - MIND, Rethink & SANE - Have all focused on, & now emphasise the recovery model & recovery aspect to ALL MH conditions. Even the more progressive of psychiatrists will concede every point I keep making - namely that some make full med free recoveries & that the genetic predisposition/chemical imbalance theory - is just that - a theory.

I don't doubt that mental illness exists - it is very real; I do not agree that it is terminal/progressive; & until proof is provided that it is a biological/genetic brain disorder - proof I personally don't think they will ever find; then I will continue to post my experience & the experiences of many others which says different.

I know that my 'opinions' are unpopular with some; but far from everyone. You are free to live your life & view your illness any way you wish. You are free to deny & ignore the evidence which is out there - & see yourself as being permanently ill & needing meds for life.

I understand that the majority of people are very easily influenced by popular culture & popular opinion; & maybe that is right for them. But people are capable of making up their own minds as to what works best for them. & many choose to come off meds, many are successful. & there are those who never have any contact with the system or meds in the first place; who go on to live full, well, & complete lives.

http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/take-these-broken-wings/

http://www.miwatch.org/2009/01/film_take_these_broken_wings.html

http://www.iraresoul.com/dvd.html

http://www.dantescure.com/

http://www.rufusmay.com/

There is a wealth of factual & very well researched information & personal experience about complete recovery from even the most severe of MH conditions; using med free means.

But like I say - you are free to continue to deny & ignore it; along with most of the medical profession & the majority of people. Just like when everyone believed the Earth was flat; & the Sun revolved around the Earth - 'Everyone' believing such things doesn't necessarily make them true.
 
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that was a much better post , no ranting just putting it across as you see it.what started it all off, drugs abuse or a steady drift into dare i say mental ,illness . when you were took to prision an forced on these meds , you must off needed them or some thing simular, you were detoxing an sure they diagnosed some illness,what would have happened if they gave you nothing at the time , they must have thought you a danger to yourself or others,i mean you say you have come down the med from 1200 to 162 in 11 years thats a hell of a slow taper , heroin 3 weeks , i was stopped as you no 10 loz an eventually given back 4, i detoxed 6 loz cold, that was a fucking night mare , death often seemed the way out my family crying at the mess there dad was thin, crazy, unshaven, hiding for months , that is why i dont get rid of the last 4 .now what drug if you dont need it takes 11 years an you still on it. its just your obsessions with everything medical that worries me an you got to amit it is an obsession , personaly an im no doctor i think your meds are two low an fueling your frustrations,an im not makeing light of it . just a forum personal opinion
 
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Apotheosis

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that was a much better post , no ranting just putting it across as you see it.what started it all off, drugs abuse or a steady drift into dare i say mental ,illness . when you were took to prision an forced on these meds , you must off needed them or some thing simular, you were detoxing an sure they diagnosed some illness,what would have happened if they gave you nothing at the time , they must have thought you a danger to yourself or others,i mean you say you have come down the med from 1200 to 162 in 11 years thats a hell of a slow taper , heroin 3 weeks , i was stopped as you no 10 loz an eventually given back 4, i detoxed 6 loz cold, that was a fucking night mare , death often seemed the way out my family crying at the mess there dad was thin, crazy, unshaven, hiding for months , that is why i dont get rid of the last 4 .now what drug if you dont need it takes 11 years an you still on it.
death often seemed the way out my family crying at the mess there dad was thin, crazy, unshaven, hiding for months
A state I can relate to well.

I have covered a lot of this in previous posts in other places on the site. I never served a custodial sentence; although I have spent some time in holding cells. I was originally sectioned at aged 17 under the mental health act with what they said was a drug induced psychosis. Without going into long descriptions of things - nothing much changed over the next 11 years - I was sectioned a few times & took a lot of drugs. There is little doubt that my use of street drugs exasperated the psychosis. The problem was that the medical profession never addressed the drug problems; & after the first section they started telling me it was a separate mental illness not caused by my drug use. It is totally unethical to diagnoses any MH condition to someone who is known to be a habitual drug user. When I got clean 8 years ago the GP who I was referred to; said the psychosis was wholly drug induced & that I should never have been labelled with anything.

Heroin is very different to anti psychotics. Originally when I was put on this med 11 years ago - I took it for a year at the 1200mg dose - then after a year I stopped it dead in around a week - a few months later after being totally med free I was sectioned, (I was using large amounts of cocaine, skunk, alcohol, & exstacy at the time). During this admittance I refused the meds for a few weeks. I was threatened with depot injections & a 6 month section if I didn't take the tablets - & so I agreed to a 200 mg dose. 2 years later I tried a 4 month detox off the meds; & a few months afterwards again became ill. I went back on the meds; & researched the subject of med withdrawal as best I could. I next tried a 2 year reduction; eventually stopping all meds again; & again became unwell a few months later.

Most recently over the past 4 years; I have made very small incremental drops in the meds - to get to 162mg.

If I look at the bigger picture - I successfully stopped all meds at the ages of 17 & 21 after sections & being put on high doses of meds.

Since being put on the present med the withdrawal attempts have not been successful - but there are good reasons why that has been.

It is hard to know exactly; what is a med withdrawal reaction, from an underlying condition, & separating out the two. The last thing I want is to be severely ill ever again; & given such a choice I would rather take a med the rest of my life. But there is a possibility of getting med free. The dream of getting med free is something I will not give up on. MH conditions can often mellow with age. Certain environmental/circumstantial factors can be addressed & improved upon. Psychological healing can take pace; especially relating to trauma. People can & do make a lot of progress with healing, wellness & recovery - if given a chance.

its just your obsessions with everything medical that worries me an you got to amit it is an obsession , personaly an im no doctor i think your meds are two low an fueling your frustrations,an im not makeing light of it . just a forum personal opinion
It is a subject of great interest; & also of personal significance - It's the story of my life - it's the main issues in my life. We generally talk about the things which have most effect on us. There is a strong sense of injustice, not just with my own personal story; but the treatment in general of the mentally ill. The question of the treatment of the mentally unwell; is a question which touches on almost every aspect of human society.

Had I received practical support; genuine psychological help; & assistance with my addiction problems - some 20 years ago; & treated therapeutically & humanely; then I do not think I would have been through the difficulties which I have to such an extent. I don't think that the psychiatric system helps people very much; & even a staunch supporter of orthodox psychiatry will point out it's dire failings.

There is an element of life having being easier on higher doses of this med. When I was on 1200mg of this drug; I slept a huge amount; I ate a lot - I spent most of the day lying down, chain smoking & watching endless TV. I lived in my inner World; a cosy cloud of highly sedated warmth & lack of care for anything. Maybe I did need that at the time. But after a year of it I was panicked that I wasn't living, & that such high doses of major tranquillisers were slowly killing me.

200mg as well, took more of an edge off things than this present dose. But like all things; there is a flip side. There is blunted thoughts & emotion on this drug.
I am not a danger to myself or anyone else. I generally function well. I have found other ways of coping & dealing with life & the 'condition'. I would like the opportunity to again live, like I did before I got into drugs & the psychiatric system; with a clear mind, free of any chemicals, including the tobacco. I am not saying that it is easy to get med free; nor that the potential exists to become very unwell again. For some people meds are the best solution. I have more insight & awareness today; to re-up meds, speak with doctors, ask for help, & manage a MH condition - than I ever had in the past.

It won't be easy to get off this med. If I can do it, which is possible, it will be very hard. Which is why I am taking things so slow. Life without a med would be more raw & harder. But it would also be more real & I think more rewarding. These are powerful meds I am on, & I have been on them a long time. I feel their effect when I take them. I would rather not spend the rest of my life on a drug which suppresses my mind & how I feel, a drug that takes the edge off everything & makes me feel like I am in a kind of dream or cloud. yes I am living & experiencing life; but there is always the niggle that I am not experiencing it as fully as I could be.

In all truth; I don't think there is anyone who enjoys being on a major tranquilizer. It is a pay off to not be 'ill'.
 
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I think you are right Apotheosis, who enjoys being on something that makes ones whole being dumbed down and numb.

I do on the other hand think it is hard to know when to accept help - where the line is, but thats maybe because at the moment my vision is blurred. I am still learning after years of trying to cope my own way.

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In my situation at the moment for instance: I do not want to go back on an anti psychotic, but am struggling.

I know only I can decide, but it is a hard one to call, as at the moment my hand is reaching for the meds. Then I recall the feeling or should I say numbness, nothingness of the effect.

Yes Apo and it's a good thing this learning!
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Research indicates that recovery is largely dependent on expectation of recovery. I believed I would make good progress in my recovery without any medication and this has been the case so far. People who believe they rely on medication for recovery will probably find this to be true also.
 
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A state I can relate to well.

I have covered a lot of this in previous posts in other places on the site. I never served a custodial sentence; although I have spent some time in holding cells. I was originally sectioned at aged 17 under the mental health act with what they said was a drug induced psychosis. Without going into long descriptions of things - nothing much changed over the next 11 years - I was sectioned a few times & took a lot of drugs. There is little doubt that my use of street drugs exasperated the psychosis. The problem was that the medical profession never addressed the drug problems; & after the first section they started telling me it was a separate mental illness not caused by my drug use. It is totally unethical to diagnoses any MH condition to someone who is known to be a habitual drug user. When I got clean 8 years ago the GP who I was referred to; said the psychosis was wholly drug induced & that I should never have been labelled with anything.

Heroin is very different to anti psychotics. Originally when I was put on this med 11 years ago - I took it for a year at the 1200mg dose - then after a year I stopped it dead in around a week - a few months later after being totally med free I was sectioned, (I was using large amounts of cocaine, skunk, alcohol, & exstacy at the time). During this admittance I refused the meds for a few weeks. I was threatened with depot injections & a 6 month section if I didn't take the tablets - & so I agreed to a 200 mg dose. 2 years later I tried a 4 month detox off the meds; & a few months afterwards again became ill. I went back on the meds; & researched the subject of med withdrawal as best I could. I next tried a 2 year reduction; eventually stopping all meds again; & again became unwell a few months later.

Most recently over the past 4 years; I have made very small incremental drops in the meds - to get to 162mg.

If I look at the bigger picture - I successfully stopped all meds at the ages of 17 & 21 after sections & being put on high doses of meds.

Since being put on the present med the withdrawal attempts have not been successful - but there are good reasons why that has been.

It is hard to know exactly; what is a med withdrawal reaction, from an underlying condition, & separating out the two. The last thing I want is to be severely ill ever again; & given such a choice I would rather take a med the rest of my life. But there is a possibility of getting med free. The dream of getting med free is something I will not give up on. MH conditions can often mellow with age. Certain environmental/circumstantial factors can be addressed & improved upon. Psychological healing can take pace; especially relating to trauma. People can & do make a lot of progress with healing, wellness & recovery - if given a chance.



It is a subject of great interest; & also of personal significance - It's the story of my life - it's the main issues in my life. We generally talk about the things which have most effect on us. There is a strong sense of injustice, not just with my own personal story; but the treatment in general of the mentally ill. The question of the treatment of the mentally unwell; is a question which touches on almost every aspect of human society.

Had I received practical support; genuine psychological help; & assistance with my addiction problems - some 20 years ago; & treated therapeutically & humanely; then I do not think I would have been through the difficulties which I have to such an extent. I don't think that the psychiatric system helps people very much; & even a staunch supporter of orthodox psychiatry will point out it's dire failings.

There is an element of life having being easier on higher doses of this med. When I was on 1200mg of this drug; I slept a huge amount; I ate a lot - I spent most of the day lying down, chain smoking & watching endless TV. I lived in my inner World; a cosy cloud of highly sedated warmth & lack of care for anything. Maybe I did need that at the time. But after a year of it I was panicked that I wasn't living, & that such high doses of major tranquillisers were slowly killing me.

200mg as well, took more of an edge off things than this present dose. But like all things; there is a flip side. There is blunted thoughts & emotion on this drug.
I am not a danger to myself or anyone else. I generally function well. I have found other ways of coping & dealing with life & the 'condition'. I would like the opportunity to again live, like I did before I got into drugs & the psychiatric system; with a clear mind, free of any chemicals, including the tobacco. I am not saying that it is easy to get med free; nor that the potential exists to become very unwell again. For some people meds are the best solution. I have more insight & awareness today; to re-up meds, speak with doctors, ask for help, & manage a MH condition - than I ever had in the past.

It won't be easy to get off this med. If I can do it, which is possible, it will be very hard. Which is why I am taking things so slow. Life without a med would be more raw & harder. But it would also be more real & I think more rewarding. These are powerful meds I am on, & I have been on them a long time. I feel their effect when I take them. I would rather not spend the rest of my life on a drug which suppresses my mind & how I feel, a drug that takes the edge off everything & makes me feel like I am in a kind of dream or cloud. yes I am living & experiencing life; but there is always the niggle that I am not experiencing it as fully as I could be.

In all truth; I don't think there is anyone who enjoys being on a major tranquilizer. It is a pay off to not be 'ill'.
NOW THAT/ I CAN RELATE TO , YOU TOLD ME WHAT I WANTED TO NO AN TOLD IT WELL, I HAVE ONLY JUST COME HOME AFTER GOING AWAL FOR THE DAY , JUST ONE OF THOSE KEEP WALKING TILL IT COMES TOGETHER DAYS FUCK KNOWS HOW FAR AN WERE IVE BEEN,BUT YES I SEE YOUR POINT BUDDY AN SALUTE YOU IF IT COMES GOOD, WE ALL NEED A DREAM TO HANG ON TO.THE TRUCE IS IN PLACE :cool::cool::cool:we will loose are star rateing
 
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