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bigron

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many people with personality disorders end in trouble?? even prison? is it fair that someone with this disorder be locked up in jail? or should they be treated somehow? whats your veiws on this?
 
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Yes I think it's highly unjust especially considering the fact that many people with supposed PD are actually misdiagnosed and actually have a treatable mental illness.
 
Fairy Lucretia

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mmm... depends to an extent on the crime maybe x I have bpd but if I committed murder I think I should go to prison I don't think bpd is an excuse for me to kill people I don't see why my symptoms would mean I murder I mean if you had depression you would go to prison bpd means I fear abandonment have anger issues and need reassurance but everyone does to some degree
depend-lets say I murdered someone it depends on the circumstance why did I do it-if it was a direct result of my symptoms then maybe hospital what if I just didn't like the person or wanted their money-that's not illness so I should go to prison even though I have bpd

im sure you will get better clever replies xx hugs
 
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I see distress as something you experience and your personality as who you are, and "illness" as something a real doctor (everyone who's a Doctor except for psychiatrists) diagnoses.

Hopefully the question is about sending people who qualify for a DSM label which psychiatry conceptualises as relating to who they are, rather than what they experience, to secure hospitals instead of prison rather than just not having the law apply to them (which would be one of the worst ideas ever).

That option already exists.

What's interesting is why some people go to hospital rather than prison - it's nothing to do with receiving treatment in one's own interests, it's to do with society's desire to protect itself from those it doesn't understand and/or fears ... it's to allow society to incarcerate them for longer than it can its other citizens ...

Severe mental distress is a natural human response to severely distressing events and environments in someone's life. Yet if you are severely distressed you don't have the same rights as other members of society and instead of receiving a fixed sentence you can be incarcerated indefinitely because of the perceived invalidity and unreliability of your mind.

You don't even need to break the law to be incarcerated, you can be kidnapped and indefinitely incarcerated by the state just for being different in this way - which is an obvious injustice. The origin and nature of severe distress is distorted and the medical model is used to justify treating them as second class citizens.

Otherwise the question "hey, why are these people being incarcerated for much longer than everyone else for doing equivalent things?, or when they haven't even broken the law, surely that is completely unjust" would be a very obvious one to ask.

Clumsily lumping in some stereotypes of 'who people are' into a book of stereotypes of 'experiences of distress' fulfils the function of also allowing society to give people who aren't in severe enough distress to to be incarcerated indefinitely less rights, so that they too can now be incarcerated indefinitely - i.e. the chief function of all this is so that society can protect itself more effectively from people whose personality is stereotyped via its lack of empathy (namely those traditionally labelled psychopaths and narcissists by psychiatry).

Psychiatry conflating 'being who you are' with 'being distressed' allows those who lack empathy and have a massive sense of entitlement, and have actually committed a crime, to officially be given the same substandard legal rights as the mad (though mainly only after committing a crime).

Which says a lot about how badly the mad are discriminated against and how completely unjust that treatment is.
 
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How do you go about treating someone with anti-social PD ??

Most of them don't want to be treated anyway, even if they could xxx
 
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