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informing next of kin, Question uk

BorderlineDownunder

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someone asked me where I had put my weed on the Roadtrip from Hell

I smugly replied "Nature's Pocket"

It wasn't actually true but it meant I got to not share it :)
 
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thanks BDU, they have my parents contact details as they are listed as next of kin in my medical records. I'm more than happy for them to be informed if im in an accident or i die or whatever but yes, for me too it is partly a privacy issue. I was looking for legal clarification as to whether they need my consent to contact them in this case as its somewhere between the routine appointment and massive carcrash, loss of consciousness scale of health problems
NO.

There is zero Legal Requirement to have a Next of Kin.

I do not have one any where on any thing. Privacy is TOO IMPORTANT to me.


Those fekkers caused this shite, why on earth would I want them to be able to Gloat?
 
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they're either getting a very good deal or what they're buying is rotten cause they only wanted to send me out with a tenner!
or, Option 3 = they just aren't very bright?

:)
 
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Oh dear, You need that like a hole in the head. Hope they back off. Hospitals are not usually therapeutic sadly, more a kind of safe place whilst a change in meds can take place. Sometimes the ward daily routine can help in small ways.

Hopefully you will stay informal.

I was on a section 3 years ago for 28 days and even though I did not want my nearest relative informed, it still had to be done either by the AMHP or the Hospital managers. I really did not like it one bit and it did not help me.

Have you seem the pdoc yet?

xx Harper
 
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I was on a section 3 years ago for 28 days and even though I did not want my nearest relative informed, it still had to be done either by the AMHP or the Hospital managers. I really did not like it one bit and it did not help me.

Have you seem the pdoc yet?
Sorry to hear that Harper, thank you for telling me about it. I will brace myself for the possibility then, they were good about it when i initially said i did not want them to contact my family but i can see they are not going to be as flexible as i thought at the beginning. i am doing all i can to stay informal. i agreed to admision as i could see it would be useful to have somewhere safe to sleep for a few nights and to regain strength, i am not currently mentally ill, just in a stressful situation, and they implied if i complied with treatment i'd be out within a few days. I saw the pdoc for the second time yesterday, expecting discharge as i had done as he'd requested and was essentially told i could remain voluntary but they would not allow me to discharge myself and we would discuss discharge after the bank holiday weekend. Sorry for blethering, i'm still a bit shocked that this has happened so its all just falling out my fingers! xx
 
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Sorry to hear that Harper, thank you for telling me about it. I will brace myself for the possibility then, they were good about it when i initially said i did not want them to contact my family but i can see they are not going to be as flexible as i thought at the beginning. i am doing all i can to stay informal. i agreed to admision as i could see it would be useful to have somewhere safe to sleep for a few nights and to regain strength, i am not currently mentally ill, just in a stressful situation, and they implied if i complied with treatment i'd be out within a few days. I saw the pdoc for the second time yesterday, expecting discharge as i had done as he'd requested and was essentially told i could remain voluntary but they would not allow me to discharge myself and we would discuss discharge after the bank holiday weekend. Sorry for blethering, i'm still a bit shocked that this has happened so its all just falling out my fingers! xx
I was sectioned yesterday and it lasted 4 hours.

:)

(y)
 
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You can also overturn your nearest relative and choose someone else.
My friend did that and nominated me as 'next of kin' but that was a physical/medical emergency - massive heart attack. I'd always assumed it would be the same for someone suffering a mental health crisis ie. that it was their choice who they nominated as next of kin and the 'nearest relative' rule could be over-ruled. In my friend's case, he had no spouse and had children who were too young to take on the role and his nearest relatives were three adult siblings, none of whom he trusted. I have to say, once my friend nominated me, the hospital staff treated me with the utmost respect and despite some opposition from his siblings, it was me they informed about his treatment first and it was my opinion about his treatment that they took the most seriously. They appeared to respect his choice.

If this is not the case with people suffering mental health crises, that concerns me. In a crisis you need to have a 'next of kin' that you feel knows you, understands you and also has the intelligence to be objective and weigh up all the choices made by medical staff and consider the possible ramifications for the person who is unwell. When someone is suffering a mental health crisis, close relatives are quite often the very last people who should be involved in treatment decisions.
 
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You can also overturn your nearest relative and choose someone else.
This is true... it is called "displacement"...

Have a look at the different terminology and you will see why i am suggesting that you contact MIND.

Changing my nearest relative | Mind, the mental health charity - help for mental health problems

Not sure how you are feeling about reading stuff N a N..

Next of Kin in relation to the MH Act means zippo...

It all turns on the legal references in the Act to Nearest Relative.

And your status as a "patient" under the Act....
Taffy x
 
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My friend did that and nominated me as 'next of kin' but that was a physical/medical emergency - massive heart attack. I'd always assumed it would be the same for someone suffering a mental health crisis ie. that it was their choice who they nominated as next of kin and the 'nearest relative' rule could be over-ruled. In my friend's case, he had no spouse and had children who were too young to take on the role and his nearest relatives were three adult siblings, none of whom he trusted. I have to say, once my friend nominated me, the hospital staff treated me with the utmost respect and despite some opposition from his siblings, it was me they informed about his treatment first and it was my opinion about his treatment that they took the most seriously. They appeared to respect his choice.

If this is not the case with people suffering mental health crises, that concerns me. In a crisis you need to have a 'next of kin' that you feel knows you, understands you and also has the intelligence to be objective and weigh up all the choices made by medical staff and consider the possible ramifications for the person who is unwell. When someone is suffering a mental health crisis, close relatives are quite often the very last people who should be involved in treatment decisions.
Sadly Jam, a lot of us are in Crisis BECAUSE of those who are supposed to support and care for us.

In a perfect world we'd all have Trustworthy Next of Kin.

In my world such a thing does not exist.
 
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I was sectioned yesterday and it lasted 4 hours.

:)

(y)
Yes.. this can happen too in the UK BDU ( I am sorry about you having such a dreadful time)
N and N 's present status falls under the MH Act 1983 /2005 etc over here in England ..
( i think... not an MH lawyer)..... thats why I'm saying the situation is complicated.

Next of Kin has no real legal status here...people think it does...
 
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It must have all happened so quickly for you noun. Hope you can get some benefit from it.

There is a difference between the next of kin and the nearest relative when referring to The Mental Health Act.
The nearest relative is the one who is consulted. The nearest relative can stop a section 3 going ahead if they do not agree. With regard to section 2, the assessments can go ahead and the patient admitted - and it is only then the nearest relative is informed. They cannot sway the situation. This of course changes with the person is living with that person.
 
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They don't even call it next of kin Downunder, anymore

I forget the exact phrase but its possibly "support Person" or "Emergency Contact"

I write NA because

1. emergencies are YOUR business, hospital

and

2. there is literally no one on planet earth I want bothered on my behalf.

The MH act already gives you a Guardian anyway. Its built in, if you're sectioned you're under THEIR care.

Third parties need not be involved unless THE PATIENT wants them to be.
 
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It must have all happened so quickly for you noun. Hope you can get some benefit from it.

There is a difference between the next of kin and the nearest relative when referring to The Mental Health Act.
The nearest relative is the one who is consulted. The nearest relative can stop a section 3 going ahead if they do not agree. With regard to section 2, the assessments can go ahead and the patient admitted - and it is only then the nearest relative is informed. They cannot sway the situation. This of course changes with the person is living with that person.
So are you saying Harper that the UK mental Health Act denies the possibility for the person who is unwell nominating a 'next of kin' of their choice and therefore it is a totally different situation from a physical/medical emergency? Sorry, I'm just wanting to understand and the situation made clear.
 
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@ BDU... are you talking MH Act England or Oz... there are differences/
There is no automatic Guardianship in England to the best of my knowledge... has to be applied for and only in set circs.
 
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