I wonder if WE will be welcome at Hearing Voices Network

[John A]

I recently received notification of the Hearing Voice Network's forthcoming special conference, and responded by asking if we could participate on an equal footing with those with more complicated explanations for hearing voices than we have, the simplest explanation conceivable, that what you hear is what you've got, pure and simple. The email correspondence I've sent (two messages, in reverse chronological order), applying for representation at the conference, is reproduced below, in case anybody is interested.

I wonder whether the decision will be to welcome the likes of us on an equal footing with everybody else, or to marginalise or to exclude us altogether, as we are well-used to being marginalised and excluded by now, wherever we apply for representation of our politically-incorrect point of view.

I wonder whether anybody will read this posting, and, if so, whether I'll get any thoughtful, intelligent replies to the content.


----- Original Message -----
From: John Allman
To: Rufus May
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:18 AM
Subject: Fw: Special Hearing Voices Network Conference - please can we field a speaker to place on the agenda our own perspectives?


To: Rufus May, Hearing Voices Network

Hi Rufus

We last exchanged emails in the summer, when I was about to set off to the USA to appear as a studio guest on a TV chat show, missing not just the Manchester HVN conference, but also my mother's funeral and the unveiling of my late wife's tombstone. I had a wasted journey. Not only were the particular shows some of our people were booked onto cancelled, but, after four years of broadcasting weekly to 50 million people, the entire series was cancelled by the network and the show host herself was fired.

As you'll read in the forwarded email below, I've asked to be allowed speak from the platform at the forthcoming HVN special conference. The USA TV network took drastic action to prevent our getting a platform on US TV, but I am hoping that Hearing Voices Network won't be so severe in (let's face it) censoring our explanation of hearing voices, at what is, after all, billed as a "festival of explanations". After all, abuse by persons who are deploying V2K weapons is, in effect, the single most-offered "explanation" of all, of hearing voices, amongst voice-hearers, even amongst those who have not yet discovered from respectable published sources that technology capable of (so-to-speak) "mind control" applications, which causes targeted individiuals to hear sounds that others near them cannot hear, is called "V2K" by the military, and that Freedom of Information Act questions about the availability and deployment of such technology in the UK elicit blank refusal to answer the questions, for alleged reasons of so-called "national security".

It would be cheaper, obviously, for us to picket outside the Hearing Voices Network special conference, there to protest (not for the first time) that our explanation for hearing voices was being, yet again, censored or sidelined, but, all the same, I'd be much happier if you were able to reassure us that this time around ALL explanations were allowed to be voiced at the "festival of explanations", from the platform, not just all explanations, however convoluted, OTHER THAN OUR EXPLANATION, the one explanation that is most commonly offered by actual voice-hearers, in my experience, and that DUE PROMINENCE would be given to what is, after all (using Occam's Razor), by far the simplest explanation of all, at least in cases in which the content of voices heard boasts that V2K technology is being used to the hearers' detriment.

Please let us know whether we are allowed to come and play, on a "level playing field" for once. We are very organised. I've had five V2K abuse victims in my home during the past couple of days, and we're opening a high street charity shop in the morning, which has a Ban Mind Weapons .org t-shirt displayed priminently in the middle of the shop window.

We've worked darned hard for the past five years (or more) against V2K weapons, and all the other "manipulation" weapons the European Parliament has wanted banned since 1999, and it's just not FAIR that others, even within groups like HVN, keep on trying to pretend that our highly-organised lobby and our rationally-argued-from-scientific-evidence viewpoint simply doesn't exist or have "validity", or that our community consists entirely of unemployable lame ducks in need of sectioning for their own good, who wouldn't be able to organise a piss-up in a brewery, and who certainly couldn't be trusted to speak sensibly into a microphone, on a platform, at any conference we hadn't called ourselves - let alone our being allowed a voice on a US TV chat show, like the one the poor show host must sometimes regret having invited some of us onto, now that she has lost her job as a result.

Are we welcome? Do we have permission to speak, for once?

Yours sincerely,

John Allman


----- Original Message -----
From: John Allman
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: Special Hearing Voices Network Conference - please can we field a speaker to place on the agenda our own perspectives?


To: Jacqui Dillon, Hearing Voices Network:

Dear Jaqui

We are in the process of forming a voice-hearers-friendly international Christian ministry with charitable status that is expressly accepting of the explanation that many voice-hearers offer for their hearing voices, so-called "targeted individuals", who claim that they are being assaulted by persons unknown who are armed with V2K weapons - Center for Army Lessons Learned . Some of our community are psychiatric survivors. None of those who are survivors report significant benefits from any anti-psychotic medication they perhaps used to take, or are still being coerced into taking in a number of cases.

Part of the Christian project involves opening tomorrow, a brand new high street charity shop in my home town Fleet, staffed at first exclusively by targeted individuals from all over the country, and raising funds (mainly by the sale of donated goods, and by the enlisting of regular support by bank standing order) for more than one cause, including both an orphanage in Uganda (the major beneficiary over the Christmas period), and work with targeted individuals who hear voices.

The shop premises will also be used for acts of Christian worship, at times when ordinary churches are closed, and for educating of targeted individuals who aren't necessarily Christians themselves about the spiritual help available from God through the Lord Jesus Christ, educating non-voice-hearing Christian believers about the plight of targeted indiviuals, and educating both groups about the bible prophecies that predicted the development of psychotronic weapons that happened in the 20th century.

The Flyer you sent me today listed some of the "confirmed speakers". It could turn out to be mighty useful for us to have some dialogue with other people in the Hearing Voices Network, voice-hearers outside our "targeted individual" community. I'm thinking therefore of hiring a minibus and making a block booking at your special conference, for some our people who would want to attend your conference provided such dialogue about our own issues were more-or-less assured. Are we welcome? If you'll invite me to be one of the conference speakers, so that the dialogue we all want about our agenda can be more effectively stimulated, I'll gladly put out feelers as to who from the UK targeted individual community wants to come along.

Yours sincerely,

John Allman
1 Cotwold Court, Albert Street, Fleet, Hants. GU51 3XZ
+44 7930 519793
www.thatfund.org
Christians Against Mental Slavery
The Alliance For Change - home page

 

[Erme]

Okay but John. I'm on here looking for help with dealing with my voices and I don't find your explanation helpful. If you are true in your profession and are really a Christian then you are surely going to take one of two positions.

1. that the voices are from Satan/God
2. that there are a symptom of your mental illness

These are the only 2 explanations for voices I have come across within reformed christian circles. I personally hold to both depending on my state of mind. I find my voices worse with stress/extrememe moods, but seeing as they are back again I'm at a loss as to know how to deal with them.

I am thinkiing of going back to my local HVN group but I am weary of some of the members.

Hope you're okay.

Erme

 

[John A]

Okay but John. I'm on here looking for help with dealing with my voices and I don't find your explanation helpful. If you are true in your profession and are really a Christian then you are surely going to take one of two positions.

1. that the voices are from Satan/God
2. that there are a symptom of your mental illness

Dear Erme

These are the only 2 explanations for voices I have come across within reformed christian circles. I personally hold to both depending on my state of mind. I find my voices worse with stress/extrememe moods, but seeing as they are back again I'm at a loss as to know how to deal with them.

I am thinkiing of going back to my local HVN group but I am weary of some of the members.

Hope you're okay.

Erme

I am "true" in my (reformed) profession of faith, and there is a third possible explanation for hearing voices. Visit the Christians Against Mental Slavery website http://www.slavery.org.uk for detailed information. It is a far more straightforward (and biblical) explanation than either God/Satan speaking or so-called "mental illness". I am not somebody who has any relationship at all with the "mental health" industry. You can read my most recent "mental health assessment", which establishes that I have no "need" for such a relationship, at http://www.wmamw.com/MentalHealthAssessmentJohnAllman.htm .

You might not find the third possible explanation useful in your circumstances, but it is an extremely straightforward explanation, and yesterday evening I was worshipping in an evangelical church in which I am in good standing, accompanied by three other people who share my "symptoms" and who find the explanation that is obviously new to you to be the only plausible explanation that fits their own circumstances.

Let us pray for one another, and seek the truth Berean-style.

Yours in Christ,

John Allman
http://www.thatfund.org
http://www.AllianceForChange.org.uk

 

[chicken]

Hello John and everybody else on this forum.

I once contacted Mr Bullimore to ask about hearing voices and some peoples interpretation of it being VK2/S. He never got back to me which was a shame and a missed opportunity in my book. Targeted individuals are part of the "system" when they enter the NHS mind control headquarters in their area and they are being overlooked

I am a sufferer of vks - which is voice to skull. I need to explain this a bit more for those of you who don't know what this is. It is simply for me microwave hearing and I hear music a lot of the time, so the voice bit is not quite true in my description. So no-one speaking at all. I hear noises sometimes that come from the back of my head.

I have hissing in my ears and I keep a continous diary of everything that happens to see a pattern. There is not one - nothing triggers it, nothing stops it. My moods do not alter it either. So in short it is being controlled somewhere else. I am not spiritual and non religious and all I am interested in is the truth and stopping it. Medication does nothing as well

The body pain is something else - I have burning feet, have full body from head to foot pins and needles sometimes. I have heat and hot spots on my head and suffer from spasms, plus I am manipulated in a place I do not want to mention here

I am also massively cause stalked - which means I am followed around or met at my destination and of course this happens inbetween the begining and the end. I have been poisoned, had car damage, been stalked since 1991, run off the road, mobbed at work and the rest. I am not sure if before that as I was not aware of it until then.

You can buy the handbook online on how to do this and the aim is to ruin your life. These groups work in rotation using sophisticated tracking software to basically hunt and hound you till you have had enough and many of us have committed suicide. Some groups are called "creepers" some are called "life-stealers" This is a revenge service and considered a "hate crime"

I was rung up and told by three people what was going to happen to me. Apparently anyone involved will have my photograph and a gps tracker has been put in my car or me. I have since had more threats via another popular worldwide group who tell me horrible things they are considering to do to me. I am female and have never been in trouble in my life. This is something else and I do not like it. I have witnesses to other things - and it is beggers belief as they stand there with their mouth open as it happens around me.

One of my latest warnings is "Walk around this and you will keep walking"

I have discovered masses on my journey of discovery about this - no way is this a mental illness. But the problem I face is that it mimics it. I do not hallucinate and have unfortunately a label - I am grandiose apparently, so that makes me have a psychosis in the DSM-1V book because I said I was being followed. I am afraid this is technology induced - the whole sordid shebang is available online and can be traced through the UK, American, German and Russian histories. This does not include the rest - but it all adds in.

I have discovered that brain states can be induced via different frequencies - the dosimetry handbook is online which outlines what and how is needed to do this techniques of altering a human. This is rather simplistic an explanation - but it is based around the medical and military getting together to perfect the "Torture" of another person. Sociopaths or psychopaths have to be involved. Its "hands off"

The media - seems to be waking up to what has been happening to the research implications of the the mind and the brain. Many experiments have been conducted in secret in labs as well on the field. I am a lab rat in the field and some say its truly for extermination purposes, some say for practice runs to train others in how to perfect the art and science of harassment.

Who is involved? - well some say large corporations, underground groups who want to silence someone,to teach them a lesson, innocent people are targetted for no reason, some may be political or maybe for religious reasons. I am not sure why I have been targetted - but it is for something I did or someone in my family did. My father was hounded until he was homeless. I was a teacher, and a good one - perhaps I upset a parent or colleague? I have heard they will pick someone and as that person struggles to find their voice they become automatically a whistleblower - so you are then stuck and never get out


Many people ask, "Why would anyone engage in this kind of activity?".
The psychology behind it is at least, in part, that it is a form of
revenge. It may be that physically harming a person is considered too extreme or too risky by the perpetrators. In fact, psychological harm may be a far more effective form of revenge. It can destroy a person's life while leaving little or no evidence to incriminate the
perpetrators.

There are added reasons that this goes on, for not every participant in the harassment will know why a person has been targeted, nor will the vast majority have any personal stake in harassing the victim. From the expressions on the faces of some of the perpetrators who come face-to-face with their targets, there is a vicious kind of pleasure that they derive from bullying their victim. They like the feeling of being "in control". Like any form of abusive or controlling behavior, this is an addiction that needs to be fed, so victims can remain targets for their entire lives. If they did not, then the numbers of fresh victims needed to fill the perpetrator's addictions would potentially attract too much attention. None-the-less, the numbers of targeted individuals is increasing. Such is the nature of the bottomless pit within them that thirsts, evermore, for greater and greater thrills. To the perpetrators, their targets are merely their prey, in a game that never ends. But make no mistake, whatever the reasoning behind it, this is a hate crime.

The types of activities which take place are often subtle, and
sometimes cannot be distinguished from normal everyday things that go wrong. In the case of a target, however, there are certain behaviors that are not normal or everyday in nature. It is the anomalous activities that let a target know they are being stalked. It is a psychological reign of terror intended to make a victim look crazy and intended to keep him or her in a constant state of anxiety and stress as to "what will happen next".

here are two I have had:
The targeting can be very overt but can usually start with the target being hit via his or her computer or noises down the telephone to psychologically unhinge the target.

Gang symbols, often with a satanic link, such as a pentagram, appearing near the target's house. Dead animals strewn near the house or on a journey route


The aim is to kill you - no joke. I have had two attempts on my life so far

chicken

 

[John A]

Hello John and everybody else on this forum.

I once contacted Mr Bullimore to ask about hearing voices and some peoples interpretation of it being VK2/S. He never got back to me which was a shame and a missed opportunity in my book. Targeted individuals are part of the "system" when they enter the NHS mind control headquarters in their area and they are being overlooked

I am a sufferer of vks - which is voice to skull. I need to explain this a bit more for those of you who don't know what this is. It is simply for me microwave hearing and I hear music a lot of the time, so the voice bit is not quite true in my description. So no-one speaking at all. I hear noises sometimes that come from the back of my head.

I have hissing in my ears and I keep a continous diary of everything that happens to see a pattern. There is not one - nothing triggers it, nothing stops it. My moods do not alter it either. So in short it is being controlled somewhere else. I am not spiritual and non religious and all I am interested in is the truth and stopping it. Medication does nothing as well

The body pain is something else - I have burning feet, have full body from head to foot pins and needles sometimes. I have heat and hot spots on my head and suffer from spasms, plus I am manipulated in a place I do not want to mention here

I am also massively cause stalked - which means I am followed around or met at my destination and of course this happens inbetween the begining and the end. I have been poisoned, had car damage, been stalked since 1991, run off the road, mobbed at work and the rest. I am not sure if before that as I was not aware of it until then.

You can buy the handbook online on how to do this and the aim is to ruin your life. These groups work in rotation using sophisticated tracking software to basically hunt and hound you till you have had enough and many of us have committed suicide. Some groups are called "creepers" some are called "life-stealers" This is a revenge service and considered a "hate crime"

I was rung up and told by three people what was going to happen to me. Apparently anyone involved will have my photograph and a gps tracker has been put in my car or me. I have since had more threats via another popular worldwide group who tell me horrible things they are considering to do to me. I am female and have never been in trouble in my life. This is something else and I do not like it. I have witnesses to other things - and it is beggers belief as they stand there with their mouth open as it happens around me.

One of my latest warnings is "Walk around this and you will keep walking"

I have discovered masses on my journey of discovery about this - no way is this a mental illness. But the problem I face is that it mimics it. I do not hallucinate and have unfortunately a label - I am grandiose apparently, so that makes me have a psychosis in the DSM-1V book because I said I was being followed. I am afraid this is technology induced - the whole sordid shebang is available online and can be traced through the UK, American, German and Russian histories. This does not include the rest - but it all adds in.

I have discovered that brain states can be induced via different frequencies - the dosimetry handbook is online which outlines what and how is needed to do this techniques of altering a human. This is rather simplistic an explanation - but it is based around the medical and military getting together to perfect the "Torture" of another person. Sociopaths or psychopaths have to be involved. Its "hands off"

The media - seems to be waking up to what has been happening to the research implications of the the mind and the brain. Many experiments have been conducted in secret in labs as well on the field. I am a lab rat in the field and some say its truly for extermination purposes, some say for practice runs to train others in how to perfect the art and science of harassment.

Who is involved? - well some say large corporations, underground groups who want to silence someone,to teach them a lesson, innocent people are targetted for no reason, some may be political or maybe for religious reasons. I am not sure why I have been targetted - but it is for something I did or someone in my family did. My father was hounded until he was homeless. I was a teacher, and a good one - perhaps I upset a parent or colleague? I have heard they will pick someone and as that person struggles to find their voice they become automatically a whistleblower - so you are then stuck and never get out


Many people ask, "Why would anyone engage in this kind of activity?".
The psychology behind it is at least, in part, that it is a form of
revenge. It may be that physically harming a person is considered too extreme or too risky by the perpetrators. In fact, psychological harm may be a far more effective form of revenge. It can destroy a person's life while leaving little or no evidence to incriminate the
perpetrators.

There are added reasons that this goes on, for not every participant in the harassment will know why a person has been targeted, nor will the vast majority have any personal stake in harassing the victim. From the expressions on the faces of some of the perpetrators who come face-to-face with their targets, there is a vicious kind of pleasure that they derive from bullying their victim. They like the feeling of being "in control". Like any form of abusive or controlling behavior, this is an addiction that needs to be fed, so victims can remain targets for their entire lives. If they did not, then the numbers of fresh victims needed to fill the perpetrator's addictions would potentially attract too much attention. None-the-less, the numbers of targeted individuals is increasing. Such is the nature of the bottomless pit within them that thirsts, evermore, for greater and greater thrills. To the perpetrators, their targets are merely their prey, in a game that never ends. But make no mistake, whatever the reasoning behind it, this is a hate crime.

The types of activities which take place are often subtle, and
sometimes cannot be distinguished from normal everyday things that go wrong. In the case of a target, however, there are certain behaviors that are not normal or everyday in nature. It is the anomalous activities that let a target know they are being stalked. It is a psychological reign of terror intended to make a victim look crazy and intended to keep him or her in a constant state of anxiety and stress as to "what will happen next".

here are two I have had:
The targeting can be very overt but can usually start with the target being hit via his or her computer or noises down the telephone to psychologically unhinge the target.

Gang symbols, often with a satanic link, such as a pentagram, appearing near the target's house. Dead animals strewn near the house or on a journey route


The aim is to kill you - no joke. I have had two attempts on my life so far.

chicken

Dear Chicken

Thank you for a brilliant contribution to this thread. My, you have raised a lot of related issues alongside voice (and other noise) hearing, not least organised stalking, which I appreciate sometimes occurs with people who experience V2K (or V2S) abuse. (I use the military acronym, V2K, because that is the acronym that Fort Leavenworth uses in the Military Thesaurus.)

I have been disappointed with the response I received in private email to the leadership of the Hearing Voices Network, raising privately the concerns I expressed in the opening message of this thread, that no platform was being offered to those who contend for the very simplest of explanations for some instances of voice-hearing, the deployment of V2K weapons; the V2K explanation wasn't welcome at the "festival" (or whatever they called the conference) of "explanations" for voice-hearing!

This raises the question in my mind as to whether HVN is an "Uncle Tom" organisation. The single most simple and rational explanation of the type of voice-hearing that V2K weapons can inflict is the unlawful deployment of V2K weapons, including their deployment against civilians in time of peace. Why does HVN want to suppress the relevant information, in favour of a proliferation of complex alternative explanations that must have Occam (he of the razor) turning in his grave by now?

When Dr Yulia R (not one of the four of us in church last night) was staying with me, she accompanied me to a visit to talk to my MP about the Home Secretary's refusal of answers to his questions about V2K weapons, for reasons of so-called "national security". My MP's changed attitude towards me (and a couple of stange men in the adjacent room of an otherwise deserted venue) strongly suggested to me that he'd been "got at", and wasn't willing to "stick his neck out" for V2K victims. When Dedorah Robinson invited me onto her TV talk show (on which I'd have reached an audience of 50 million people with the bad news about V2K weapons), her entire series was axed by the network after four years of running every week, putting her out of a job. This and other experiences suggest that the criminals who abuse victims using V2K weapons have people in positions of considerable power who are protecting their "industry".

The onus is on the leadership of HVN to give credible reassurance that they are not "Uncle Toms" they appear to be, doing the bidding of such forces, by excluding from their conference the only explanation for voice-hearing that makes any sense at all for the vast majority of the numerous voice-hearers I know personally. When shall one of them bother to reply to this thread? That's what I'd like to know.

Can you remind me of the date of the HVN conference? It might be worth our while picketing the event, like we did the non-lethal weapons conference in Germany last May.

John

 

[John A]

Dear Chicken

Are you the same person who uses the pen name Chicken on the pan-Euroean FEDAME message board that human rights activist Monika Stoces founded in Antwerp, Belgium a year or so ago, which I have procured can be accessed via the memorable synonym http://BanMindWeapons.EU ? If so, I gather you had a chat with Natalie on my home phone this evening, whilst I was over at Aaren's place, where I have decided to stay the night, leaving early in the morning to open my new charity shop in Fleet at nine.

Assuming that you are the acquaintance of mine who chatted with young Natalie, did Natalie tell you the good news that Aaren finally decided today that she was willing to go through with the marriage ceremony booked for this coming Thursday (the date she chose three weeks ago), making me her husband in English law, and hence her nearest relative, for Mental Health Act purposes? We're going to have the thought police in checkmate like this, God willing. As my wife, she can stop them from curtailing my activism by sectioning me, and vice versa. The V2K perps are furious about it, and have telling me audibly that I'm "stupid" to marry my girlfriend of three weeks, who first contacted me when my previous wife (who became, at the age of 52, a targeted individual herself for the first time, after she started supporting my activism in 2003) lay terminally ill in hospital, in May 2006.

If you are a different "Chicken" from the FEDAME Chicken, please forgive me for the mistaken identity. Whoever you are, stay brave and rational. What they're doing is wrong, and people will believe our testimony if only we can manage not to behave like loonies, and can stick to asserting nothing more surprising to the ill-informed general public than what we can prove are above-dispute scientific facts about today's "mind control" technology.

John

 

[chicken]

"Chicken" as of fedame and the same person you have spoken to a few times.

Chicken

 

[chicken]

"congratulations" are in order

I have now discovered even futher back as of today when I was 17, my first perp recognised moment.

when I was about 17 possibly younger I had a very
strange thing happen to me and my household. I
certainly thought it was odd at the time, but now
considering recent events it does not now.

This is Known as "street theatre" or a "skit"

We had a pink sink left on the doorstep, the cars in a
whole street, the petrol was syphoned off out of the
petrol tank, and a whole street had the bins placed on
top of the lamps.

My interpretation at the time was "weird", but also
funny.

Now still both of those things are still considered the above but since my perps have
trained me well and things have moved on somewhat.......
Pink sink = someone wearing pink will sink (i used to
have bright pink hair at first major attack in
february 2006
Petrol taken = don't travel. All jobs and places there
has been some harassment
bin on lampost = covert light, covered energy, hidden
light and energy?

OMG moment. I remembered this today - the situation
and applied a perp set of techniques to it

Chicken

 

[chicken]

This means I have the group record of being a target for 24 years.......

chicken

 

[Erme]

I feel sad that such obviously psychotic persons refuse to get help and chose to live their partial lives @ the mercy of their delusions and hallucinations.

I wanted help and support about dealing with my own voice hearing experiences. Instead I didn't get any any 'christian' empathy. Just lectured about your psychotic rationale and how you are part of a sane elite that doesn't include the rest of mankind.

Considering the all supermacy of God, a merciful God, a just God, a righteous God, I am not surprised @ the term grandiose being carted about.

What burdens you must have to warn and save and wouldn't life be easier if you didn't have those burdens.

What terrible fear you must both live under.

Praise God you are talking about your experiences on an MH board for surely you are both very psychotic and that at least partially shows insight.

Every blessing.

Erme

 

[daffy]

I have to agree with Erme here. I have been thru the phase of thinking i knew something that only a few others did. I thought there were aliens among us, hence i thought they were medicating me to make me feel unbalanced. When i came out of the psychotic phase i realised what i was doing.

On talking to others i realised i was not alone in thinking like this, and realised that this was symptomatic of the illness.

Take care

 

[chicken]

I feel sorry for you as well as only having one side - but I am not looking to start wars or upset others but to present the other side of the arguement. It is best to know ones stuff in terms of details and content relating to a subject and to present it well and be aware of its place in current society. Also being aware how historically it came to be influencing today

I was a university lecturer............ so I think that qualifies me quite well. Good research skills and being able to add stuff up, from the detail to the bigger picture.

I wish it was not true myself what is happening to me - but being an educated person with much knowledge - relating to the mind ie consciousness, the notion of reality, fear as a concept, physics, cybernetics, historical esoteric influences on mental health, bioscience to neuroscience inclusive of reading the current psychiatric articles that come out of people like Professor Emeritus Dorothy Rowe of the Royal Society of Psychiatrists who recently on her web-site noted that the "chemical Imbalance" was in fact a fraud statement known about by the psychiatric profession 30 years ago. As this was published the other notable British psychiatric institutions - changed their online downloadable leaflets to accomodate this so called new thinking. So what else is covered up then? THE CHEMICAL IMBALANCE DOES NOT EXIST......they have the current psychiatrists been given a three line whip - that the term is outdated

I have looked at the top players in the field and learnt about their own direction as to whether they sit in the Jungian, Laing (gestelt). or Freud belief system. Whether cultural or religious issues are actually considered when the live patient is sitting in front of the all knowing p-doc

Please read up about these guys - the most worrying one is Freud - look at the man. A Nazi symthesiser, a drug addict and he used to run the Tavistock Clinic/Institute. The Tavistock Institute is one of our Think Tanks. The Tavistock clinic intrinsically train our police and social workers. Other institutions in the UK use their training methods as a general point as the T I is the supposedly leader in the field, Later on we had others who went on to develop the science of the brain - ie the inner workings of the brain and popped off to America to develop the other ten institutions related to the Tavistock Institute. Some of these were from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute - now the Max Planck Institute. Look up Rawlings Reece - interesting chap - a bit of a prophet - we are heavily influenced by this guy - even today. Stuff he proposed in 1940 is still in operation - even this idea of citizenship.....taught in schools. The morals of right and wrong etc etc. The concept of mental health has its grip here. He even goes onto say that the future of this country is through the influence of "charity" taking a lead in the running of the country. Note Common Purpose here

This where we have trouble brewing - historically the CIA is a British and American invention and this union is and has partially resulted in the current mental health system we have today- the development of the psychiatric system has its roots firmly sited in America during the cold war, with the added help of the germans who escaped the nuremberg trials. We contributed by really inventing and refining the psychic driving torture system commonly known as Electric shock treatment. It is a strange sort of electromagnetic therapy, they worked out how to scramble a brain using certain frequencies and how the body resonates in relation to the natural world. (schumanns resonance) Look up the dosimetry handbook - it will tell you the frequency for happiness, sadness, depression, sleep, awake, etc etc........Alpha, Beta, delta, theta, Gamma. Our bodies are about 10 watts - play around with that and you get induced mental illness. It took them about thirty years to perfect it. These are brain states basically.

Look if you do not believe me look it up. Every state a human has has been worked out and plotted electromagnetically. The EEG machine has done that - fMRI, does it better but in a different way.

I am also going to tell you that cymatics and quantum physics (mechanics) has a bearing on what we experience. VK2 is based around esoteric technology - its real time technology - the transferance of voice through the fourth dimension - (time) and its actually faster then the speed of light and faster than the concept of thought. This is what was developed during the cold war. Cymatics - the consideration of sound in water. If you pass sound through water it takes on a shape. It resonates and makes pretty patterns. If you resonate parts of the body you can actually create pain which follows the meridian lines - nerve lines in the body. Our bodies are made up of 80% water. Sound travels through water brilliantly. I even asked an ex submarine navel officer to explain it to me - matches my explanation. I hear what can be described as noise - microwave type noises. All brains are made up of water even the matter itself. My noise comes from the back of my head not my ears. This travels up and through my nervous system. There is in existence on the market gadgets that induce the effects we experience - you can buy some on e-bay. I actually vibrate and get electroshocks.......I am going to post an article that was in the Independent on the 13th January 2008

We have a list of most of patents that were used to develop these techniques. This can be done remotely and it has been proven to the point that the European Parliament acknowledged the existence of all this kit during I think 1999. John will back me up on that and the Green Party has been fighting for the voices of the victims to be heard

Recently the Editor of the American Psychiatric Journal resigned - she was one of the worlds leading psychiatrists - she was quoted as saying that she was not actually sure what psychosis was and how schizophrenia fits into that. Also she felt that the modern training of the p-doc was severley lacking in content. Oh what an uproar ensued because of that. I then searched the forums of students of psychiatry and psychology in the UK and America - bearing in mind most have a degree as a doctor first - they said they had very little patient contact time and did not really have any if little input to offer as part of the training. They had little time put in with live patients? Most was text book based. Very worrying indeed don't you think?

All anti-psychotic drugs are basically anti-histamines repackaged. How do I know that I researched the history of it. They stumbled upon it purely by mistake - they then used a bunch of schizophrenics as guinea pigs in Europe to see if it worked. Not in all cases did it work well at all, actually most cases it did not hence the new anti-psychotic drugs. A lot of people died as a result that is why the new anti-psychotic drugs came in.

I have researched the history of psychiatry, anti-psychiatry which institutions had the most escapees, deaths, worst inmates, merging of facilities. Good practice sites, listened to the staff online and in person. I have worked out the worst offending areas and institutions in the UK relating to deaths, amount of shock treatments given to patients etc etc. By the way the worst place to be a patient in the UK is Staffordshire and Shropshire for est. I have read the fores and against the new draft of the mental health bill, looked at the different approaches taken by leaders in the field. I looked at different aspects of the field and the technology being used to aid treatment ranging from EST, EEG, fMRI, MRI and new treatments TMS and if you like have an extremely well rounded view on mental health which lead me to believe that after all the hours gathering evidence. I might also add I also looked in the news looking for psychiatrists who had been doing naughty things to their patients and there were many - so bad was it - it reached the press. There is even a name and shame site relating to the acts of those hurting the vunerable. I looked into CCHR - which is a scientologist front organisation - recently there were two successful abuse of psychiatry patients exhibitions held in this country recently

So you think the "noble psychiatric profession with their tick box diagnosis system is helping you getting on with a fruitful and productive life. The DSM-IV is a document which is a combind effort of the military and the medical in terms of content and updates which take place every ten years. How do I know that I asked Professor Simon Wesley - an army trauma specialist working at the Maudsley who wrote abstracts on ME and fibromyalgia and its place in the psychiatric system. I think if my memory serves me right. He tells me that they have a panel consisting of both professions. The WHO is taking info from the DSM but use a slightly different system.

I know that the modern psychiatric service has changed little basically from the input given by the Tavistock Institute who oversaw the development of said practices, The Tavistock Institute is our think tank of the UK as I have said - the NHS Tavistock Clinic came out of that -- they still work together. The group known as the Common Purpose charity who work under chatham house rules have a major influence on how our mental health system works - but its a secret as to the inner details - hence the applied chatham house rules. Charities are not supposed to run govt offices or have such a major input as this one does

Look it up - google mental health + common purpose. They are the back bone of the system. Worrying that a charity has so much influence? A quango isn't it? read what it says and who are involved. Read about who they are and what their experience is in mental health.



chicken

 

[chicken]

Modern psychiatry has hit the wall - they are realising that this culture of drug first ask questions later actually is not helping the person. The pharmapsychological approach is not working that is why there is no final decision on the bill. The internal bickering over the content has led to a stalemate. They are trying to turn it into the American system. How do I know - I am in contact with a fair few Americans who have had to visit the mental health hotel in their area - they even have a special car that picks them up. They experience what I have - e-harassment and cause stalking

I have visited the mental health system in the UK as a "sectioned" person. I saw seven psychiatrists - what did I do I took an overdose. Why? because I was so traumatised from being chased and mobbed from the mob. They could not agree on a simple diagnosis. I challenged them every step of the way - quoting from journals they themselves had not read - they were not up-to-date, they then decided to give me a drug which said on the packaging - DO NOT GIVE TO SOMEONE IF THEY HAVE TRIED TO COMMITT SUICIDE. Oh my - I had to laugh. I challenged them again - no seriously - I did and I got away with a drug free existence - for two weeks. All I got was the lovely label "grandiose" either for being followed about or for being a 'smart arse"

As for "fear" none - just ignore the twits who go about making themselves look stupid on a daily basis.

I was phoned up by the way and told that my life was going to be shit and very difficult and that I was going to be followed around - they would not hurt me apparently and that I was worked out via a personality test. I kid you not. I was also told do not go to the press. I have had someone else phone me up and tell me that I am a dead person? I have had my car damaged three times - a brick through the window - my car engine oil removed - attempted poisoning, threatened with base ball bats, people sitting outside my house all hours watching me and my comings and goings. I have been left dead animals on my doorstep, rubbish all over my car, bird seed all over the roof of the car, a tree in my front garden disappeared over night, chased down the road on foot.

All the above have witnesses - down to the phone calls too - my mother heard the threats, a mechanic who could not get his head round a newish car having the oil totally removed was his summary. Plus the rest....

And you think I was hallucinating - you tell that to my insurance company - the police. I have photographs as well of the damage - did I imagine that - the camera does not lie...

I have hired three private psychologists to confirm my so called delusions after my trip to a mental unit - to reinstate my credibility a little and they put me back in touch with the police as they then saw that actually my so called story was infact true. But it is proving it and catching them at it. I have that in writing.. I have a tribunal record that states my mental health is ship-shape.

However understanding the technology involved will show you what we face. The issues are immense and many people are burying their head in the sand. If they can control computer games with thought - yes - sony has developed this technology, think how this relates to the schizophrenia diagnosis. Look up this stuff in the New Scientist. Mind reading was developed by Nasa - Astronauts went to space with this ability. It is called sub-vocalised thought

Chicken

 

[chicken]

[Note especially the final paragraph.]

I have some of those symptoms

Prisoners 'to be chipped like dogs'
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/pol...cle3333852.ece
Hi-tech 'satellite' tagging planned
in order to create more space in jails
Civil rights groups and probation
officers furious at 'degrading' scheme
By Brian Brady, Whitehall Editor
Published: 13 January 2008
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[John A]

I feel sad that such obviously psychotic persons refuse to get help and chose to live their partial lives @ the mercy of their delusions and hallucinations.

You're not debating here. You're attacking newcomers to this forum ad hominem.

I wanted help and support about dealing with my own voice hearing experiences.

Never mind why you joined HVN whenever you did. You are proudly wearing a "local moderator" badge now. Please put your own emotional agenda to one side when replying to newcomers. Please don't seek emotional support in thread started by people with opinions different from your own, if this leads to disappointment that you cannot cope with, keeping your disappontment to yourself.

Instead I didn't get any any 'christian' empathy.

Tell me something about yourself with which I can empathise, if you wish. I am a Christian. "Chicken" isn't yet, by the way.

Just lectured about your psychotic rationale and how you are part of a sane elite that doesn't include the rest of mankind.

No such extravagant claims have been made.

What terrible fear you must both live under.

I am an evangelical Christian. I fear only God. I cannot speak for Chicken.

Praise God you are talking about your experiences on an MH board ...

I haven't been talking about my own experiences at all.

surely you are both very psychotic and that at least partially shows insight.

Being "very psychotic" is the very opposite of showing even partial insight. At which university teaching hospital did you qualify in the diagnosis of psychosis in people you've never even met?

 

[John A]

Praise God you are talking about your experiences on an MH board ...

I thought I was posting to a Hearing Voices Network board, not a MH board. The whole point is that ever since the invention of V2K weapons in the late 1970s or early 1980s, it is unsafe to assume that the hearing of unsolicited voices necessarily implies the presence of mental ill-health in every case. Please do your homework. God will safeguard your soul throughout, if you are one of His.

 

[John A]

This means I have the group record of being a target for 24 years.......

chicken

Not necessarily. If you wonder to yourself to what extent if any you might have been targeted before you became aware of it, the perps can be expected to remind you of early life experiences and to boast falsely that they were involved in them. It is easy to be duped by such suggestion.

Anyway, perhaps this thread is not the place to talk about what you remember of when you were 17. A different thread in the same forum or private correspondence would be more apt contexts in which to discuss such personal matters at length.

 

[Rorschach]

Wow...what a thread, hope you don't mind that I'm not going to comment yet. I'm going to have to read it in more detail and get a grasp on what you guys are speaking about. I've not come across any of these groups as of yet, so will be interested in getting a handle on what you guys are discussing...

 

[John A]

Dear Daffy

If you pardon the pun, you (Daffy) appear to be "ducking" the main issue, concerned with V2K weapons.

... I have been thru the phase of thinking I knew something that only a few others did.

Most people genuinely do know things that few others know. For example, I bet the majority of user of this forum are not even aware of the facts documented at http://call.army.mil/products/thesaur/00016275.htm and http://slavery.org.uk/science.htm, even though those facts could be considerations relevant to their arriving at an understanding of what is happening to them.

I thought there were aliens among us, hence I thought they were medicating me to make me feel unbalanced. When I came out of the psychotic phase I realised what I was doing.

I wish I'd known you then. It would have been interesting trying to reason with you about how probable or improbable your belief in aliens was, based upon the evidence. I don't believe in the aliens hypothesis myself, but I know of people whom I have helped to discard this hypothesis, by reasoning with them. I know of one person in Cornwall with the Reptilians belief system that David Icke also has, and I can explain how it is possible to inflict this belief system artificially upon happless victims of unlawful psyops.

On talking to others I realised I was not alone in thinking like this, and realised that this was symptomatic of the illness.

The same is true of TIs, except that TIs never abandon the knowledge that they acquire that what they experience (as opposed to whatever wild early guesses they make as to how this came about) can be inflicted on individuals deliberately, as expressly contemplated in the US DoD's New Vistas report referenced in the Inner Voice paper on the above-mentioned CAMS webpage.

John

 

[Rorschach]

John just thinking aloud here, but could it not be that psyche patients are more 'collateral damage' than targets proper?

I have no doubts that there is bleeding/cutting edge research carried out by the MIC about receptivity of the brain to frequency modulation; I'd imagine it would provide, if scientifically substantiated, more that merely weapons systems. I'm imagining that interfacing between operatives and weapons systems, as well as conventional operator to operator communications would undergo a quantum leap were such technologies perfected?

As to whether this pertains to people's voices, I suggest we would have to negotiate at what level neurobiologically these voices occur. If we come to a conclusion that there are parts of the human brain that are usually subconscious or preconscious but preadapted to reception/transmission of brain waves, and that varying levels of chemicals (i.e. as a result of neurotransmitters) blur the boundaries of consciousness, then may it be people are suffering as a result of MIC research?

That said, given the secretive nature of military research and the cognitive dormancy of the general populous, you should understand why people consider it, in fact may HAVE to consider it, as delusional?