I know 'what gives'

[dang-blasted]

'Sorry about my choice of username; I must've been a bit upset at the time of its choosing. Life is chock full of travails, regardless of one's health.

Here is what is true.

You and I didn't make the World we were born into; it is far from perfect; it is profoundly infected with devilcraft; and you DON'T have to toe the line.

God is the gifting one. If you were born with certain talents, certain fortes, (and who wasn't!?) then you have The Almighty and no one else to thank. Don't expect any benefit from any other source other than your Creator, and you'll be fine. There is no "savior" per se. We are a civilized species so we expect and rely on compassion/mercy from other members of the race. If you are brutalized, don't pray or anything dumb like that -- just call the cops.

The worst thing you could do is pay homage to demigods. God alone is holy. There is exactly ZERO holiness vested in anything or anyone else. Your shrink might be doing the BEST he knows how on your behalf, but he's no holy man. For all you know, he/she is the more "tortured soul". No man is holy. No deceased individual from yesteryear was ever holy. No human has ever been holy.

If you hear voices it's not your fault and not your shortcoming. It is the Devil's doing or the fault of the pre-existent evil that accompanies the human parade. Those seeds were sown eons ago by past charlatans and dictators. Deception is the Devil's game.

Sadly, if you hear voices then there may be little that you can do about it. The voices might abate some if you buy an expensive course of 'professional' services and medications, but God doesn't want you to belittle yourself that way. Be defiant and just know that it's pure devilcraft, those voices. God respects the defiant. Eventually (maybe around late middle age) God will reward you and you'll win absolution. And if you thought the voices were bad before, WHOA! ...you ain't seen/heard NOTHING compared to the punishment that The Devil metes out to the absolved. Holy mackerel! Previous to that, the voices are merely subtle; but once you're absolved, the Devil will have you in his sights in earnest and will hit you with the heaviest continual barrage of all, which will include not only invasive voices but invasive imagery and real actual physical pain. Endure it because that path is well worth it in the long run and helps to rid the entire human family of devilcraft infestation. Remember, deception is the Devil's only aim. He'll likely come at you in the guise of a savior among a brutal and barbaric mob, but don't buy into it! You should be aware that the entire psychic charade is evil incarnate, no part of which is holy or good.

 

[*Sapphire*]

Hi and to the forum,

Interesting opinion. But I do have a few questions myself.

Do you suffer with mental illness yourself? What is your purpose for being here?

Are you saying that all mental illness is about demon possession or at the hands of the devil? Because i do have issues with that belief myself.

However I read something interesting on another forum, which I will quote here. I wonder if you agree with it?

"The Bible does say little about mental disorders, but psychopathology was recognised and perhaps common, especially as there were no psychotherapeutic drugs or modern treatment available.

Kind David once pretended to be insane. His behaviour was feigned, but it gives brief insight into some of the symptoms of mental illness that were recognised in Old Testament times.

Many years later, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon suffered from what can only be described as a sever and prolonged bout of mental illness.

In the New Testament, Festus interrupted Paul's presentation of the gospel and shouted 'You are out of your mind Paul.....your great learning is driving you insane.

The Bible does not claim to be a diagnostic textbook, but it does give several examples of suicide and it makes reference to many of the emotions that form the basis of psychiatric disorders.

It does not follow in the Bible that all mental disorders involve or come from deliberate sin in the afflicted persons life. Job was a morally upright, God fearing man whose physical and emotional mental problems came for reasons other than persona sin.

Ultimately all physical and mental disorders and illnesses come because sin entered the world millenia ago. Scripture teaches that we are all sinners, but from this it does not follow that mental illness and psychopathology necessarily result from the sufferers own personal sinful actions!"

 

[dang-blasted]

In the New Testament, Festus interrupted Paul's presentation of the gospel and shouted 'You are out of your mind Paul.....your great learning is driving you insane'.
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It does not follow in the Bible that all mental disorders involve or come from deliberate sin in the afflicted persons life.
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Ultimately all physical and mental disorders and illnesses come because sin entered the world millenia ago. Scripture teaches that we are all sinners, but from this it does not follow that mental illness and psychopathology necessarily result from the sufferers own personal sinful actions!"

Reading comprehension problem, hmmm? I didn't aver that sin causes insanity. Rather the opposite. The Devil detests the ethical and will punish them at every turn with hidden, evil, sorcerous attack. REALLY! You will always know when it's the Devil tormenting you because he can't assail you honorably or in front of witnesses, but must attack you from the cozy vantage of nether darkness. If you had truly transgressed, then it would be the job of police and the courts to mete out comeuppance, and they must strive to act honorably and openly. That sort of retribution is more like it! But even those institutions are subject to corruptions, which is why God-given absolution is your only true harbor.

Prostitution might be "the world's oldest profession", but besmirching the other guy's stature is the second oldest. "Hey, don't do that; what are you, nuts?" ... "Hey guy, you're on the freakin' MOON! ..get real". ... "Hey Paul, your great learning is driving you insane"

 

[*Sapphire*]

Reading comprehension problem, hmmm?

Hi Dang-blasted

I do not feel I was being abrupt or impolite in my response to you, so was quite taken aback by your opening statement in the form of a question, quoted above.

I did not mis-comprehend your post, I merely asked a question and quoted something else I had read.

I am not going to judge you, and ask you not to judge me by inferring I do not comprehend you from my questions when I am merely asking for clarification.

I didn't aver that sin causes insanity. Rather the opposite. The Devil detests the ethical and will punish them at every turn with hidden, evil, sorcerous attack. REALLY!

So you are saying that only ethical people get mental health problems, because Satan is punishing them for being ethical?

 

[dang-blasted]

Satan? Who dat??

In my posts, I spoke loud and clear and thoroughly. While you might wish to goad me into some endless quibbling, I'm sure that other forum visitors will read and comprehend me perfectly. I'm not biting the bait on your hook. I know what gives and I have spoken. Ultimately, God-given absolution is your only true harbor in an already-witchcraft-infested world. Amen.

 

[*Sapphire*]

Hi Dang-blasted,

Perhaps you would like to take the Alpha course I am about to help with?

Perhaps it is you who is mis-comprehending rather than me?

I did not see questioning someones opinion as endless quibbling.

And I notice you did not answer my first two questions of why you are here, and if you suffer with a mental illness.

 

[*Sapphire*]

I have been reading alot of Matthew (NIV) lately, these phrases come to mind...

1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged." 2 "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you".

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" 4 "How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?" 5 "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye".

 

[Apotheosis]

There is no Devil. It is very dangerous to attribute mental illness to 'sin'.

 

[Apotheosis]

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[Neferakhet]

welcome...

 

[dang-blasted]

There is no Devil.

No Devil? You're saying that there's a God but He has no adversary, He romps uncontested!? That would be an ideal world, now wouldn't it? But it just isn't so.

It is very dangerous to attribute mental illness to 'sin'.

I should say so! Uh, kindly supply the precise textual citation from one of my posts where I ever attributed mental illness to sin.

 

[Apotheosis]

No Devil? You're saying that there's a God but He has no adversary, He romps uncontested!? That would be an ideal world, now wouldn't it? But it just isn't so.

Believe whatever you like. I won't be joining you.

I should say so! Uh, kindly supply the precise textual citation from one of my posts where I ever attributed mental illness to sin.

I didn't say that you did - I was making an observation. What does cause it then? The devil? Demons? bad spirits? It's all very Middle Ages.

I really did used to think that some kind of 'bad spirit' was involved with things on my first psychotic breakdown - now I am not so sure.

What is your 'cure' - exorcisms; self flagellation, burnings at the steak?

 

[dang-blasted]

I didn't say that you did - I was making an observation.

Okay, I misinterpreted your words, very sorry.

What does cause it then? The devil? Demons? bad spirits? It's all very Middle Ages.

Understanding has gone considerably downhill IMHO, especially with TV being sorta the ultimate vehicle for the public perception; but any truly good psychiatrist can tell you that mental illness isn't all about the patient per se-- it's about the patient and society-at-large and the relationship between those two entities. So it's bad form to put it all on the individual; society has to bend too; society is "mentally ill" as well - really!

I really did used to think that some kind of 'bad spirit' was involved with things on my first psychotic breakdown - now I am not so sure.

Not sure? Fine. But I am almost 60 years old and I know with certainty that we all have been born into a world that is already profoundly compromised with witchcraft, deep evil.

What is your 'cure' - exorcisms; self flagellation, burnings at the steak?

Cute!
But naaaah, there is no cure. Like I said, if you remain righteous and faithful long enough then God will eventually come through for you. You'll know you've won absolution when it happens to you. Absolution is the TOP goal of human endeavor, because our culture is founded on the notion that man is meant to be Earth's dominant species forever due to man being able differentiate right from wrong (and the animals can't). Some of our notions are tragically flawed. We're entering a New Age, an age of fixations. You label individuals sloppily, wrongly, stupidly and the harm continues for all eternity. There is no hope any more. God-given absolution is your only true harbor. Maybe WW3 will be us against the animal kingdom. There's a revolution of sorts straight ahead.

Of course, truth cannot be well-conveyed by the use of language. So I chose to personify good and evil as "God" and "Devil". But it's just more and more bull. You can't deny that there is always ongoing contention between good and evil, light and dark, winning and losing.

 

[Apotheosis]

Okay, I misinterpreted your words, very sorry.

No worries.

Understanding has gone considerably downhill IMHO, especially with TV being sorta the ultimate vehicle for the public perception; but any truly good psychiatrist can tell you that mental illness isn't all about the patient per se-- it's about the patient and society-at-large and the relationship between those two entities. So it's bad form to put it all on the individual; society has to bend too; society is "mentally ill" as well - really!

I completely agree - society has it's own pathology. The majority display a pseudo sanity. The 'mentally ill' are used as a group to say - "these are the mad ones; & we are all sane" - When the reality is that 'us' mad ones are simply at one end of a spectrum that everyone is on, in truth; the lines of demarcation are not so clear.

Not sure? Fine. But I am almost 60 years old and I know with certainty that we all have been born into a world that is already profoundly compromised with witchcraft, deep evil.

There is great wrong in the World, yes, this World is a hard learning environment. For me a lot of the 'Evil' comes from Mankind; from within Man himself - which has as a basis Ego (Anger & Fear). I am unsure of what extent witchcraft is to blame - but it would depend on your explanation of the word.

Some of our notions are tragically flawed. We're entering a New Age, an age of fixations. You label individuals sloppily, wrongly, stupidly and the harm continues for all eternity. There is no hope any more. God-given absolution is your only true harbor. Maybe WW3 will be us against the animal kingdom. There's a revolution of sorts straight ahead.

We are heading for a crisis point. I am unsure if that will be sooner or later.

Maybe things carry on much as they are for another 200 years; & then the collapse & another dark ages? We have free will, as well as a collective destiny. The future is not carved in stone.

Of course, truth cannot be well-conveyed by the use of language. So I chose to personify good and evil as "God" and "Devil". But it's just more and more bull. You can't deny that there is always ongoing contention between good and evil, light and dark, winning and losing.

Language is both a means of expression & beauty - & also open to ambiguity & multiple interpretation & meaning. 'God' & the 'Devil' are Words loaded with multiple meaning & connotation; They are 'Big Words' so to speak. I prefer the term Creator for my God.

The nature of good & evil is a massive subject. I try to look at things from the perspective that there is a spirituality that is beyond duality. Not to say that there is not Evil - But if you are naming that as the Devil - does that then mean that is personified, directed, intelligent - driven by a tangible & real entity - a real being? I would personally look at it more as an absence of things; an incompleteness, a separation; rather than a 'thing' in itself.

I like the gnostic/mystical perspectives on this - & their answer to the problem of Evil.

 

[dang-blasted]

I am unsure of what extent witchcraft is to blame - but it would depend on your explanation of the word.

Pretty simple: if a person suffers from invasive voices, invasive imagery, invasive cruelty and pain, and if that person insists that those elements originate from without the self, then believe him, because they do. So how can those torments travel from the source to the victim? 'Must be witchcraft ...must be the work of the Devil. It has been the claim of the psychiatric profession that all that stuff derives from the self. NONSENSE! There isn't one iota of credible evidence supporting the claim. A human is a critter. Critters can't foment such illusions. Critters aren't sorcerers. Shrinks will cite studies showing electrical activity in certain parts of the brain at the moments of hearing a voice. But I reject their conclusion as purely self-serving, to vindicate society, doctors and high muckity-mucks. They've needed some excuse to put it all on the individual and label that individual as flawed, ill, a veritable "miscreant". Total baloney! Those researchers haven't even begun to plumb the actual mechanics of the human brain and they should bite their tongues. There is actual witchcraft. There is ESP. There is psychokinesis. There is transmigration of the soul. Of course I, being now absolved, disavow any and all participation in such horrible evil dark thing as that!

I try to look at things from the perspective that there is a spirituality that is beyond duality.

Long-time belief in the supernatural, by billions of souls, is what started the problem in the first place. You long for there to be a hidden haven or process and eventually one actually does arise. It may have begun innocently enough, but corruptions inevitably root. By now, 2009, the so-called "spirit realm" is totally and completely evil.

Not to say that there is not Evil - But if you are naming that as the Devil - does that then mean that is personified, directed, intelligent

Yes

- driven by a tangible & real entity - a real being?

No, it's more like artificial intelligence or computer software gone horribly wrong. You all saw the Great Communicator fall in 1981. You feared it was yet another assasination. But no, all stood and marveled as the man recovered, yay. But Reagan was actually a creep, a conservative, a slimebag, an actor, a lackey. Did you notice the number of his name, Ronald Wilson Reagan? Well I noticed.