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I have a major sleep problem

Capt Hooke

Capt Hooke

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Me too.

I've always been a night owl anyway but I'm caught in exactly the same sleep pattern of being awake all night and catching a few hours from 5.30 am to 11.00 am.
I don't worry about it any more. Just go with the flow x
Yes, I think that's about the size of it. I don't expect there to much progress in the treatment of depression / sleep problems for a long time to come. None of the big 4 pharma companies are currently working on antidepressants. We just have to manage as best we can :peace:. I dream of sleeping 5.30 to 11am!!! I'm more like ~7am till ~2pm
 
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i am trying a bedtime routine at the same time every night i get ready for bed, a hot shower can help if you like to shower a night. I try camomile tea and melatonin you can get at walmart or wherever, not sure if it helps or not. I think it does. good luck, my heart goes out to you since i can totally relate to your situation. it is 2pm now and i am starting to get sleepy, but if i sleep i wont be able to sleep tonight so i am fighting it off. maybe you can try blackout curtains which i have or a sleep mask to keep the room very dark? Mert :)
 
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I take Seroquel at night and occassionally I take trazodone which helps to sedate me. I'm not sure it is a great solution, but I could not sleep otherwise.
 
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I am diagnosed as having a condition called Non-24 (see Google - many hits), which may not be "fully accurate", but the only suggested treatments are melatonin and daylight, neither of which do much for me. I was a nite-owl even when I was 5 years old.
Interesting. I'd not heard of Non-24 before. Like you, I have always been a night owl. I also get that zombie tiredness after waking. I may try melatonin supplements.

Light does have a big impact for me. I wake at dawn in summer and use a daylight alarm clock in winter. The alarm really helps with waking up and I have a daylight lamp that reduces morning tiredness. Doesn't help with getting to sleep or creating a pattern though. I put the zombie tiredness down to either lack of sleep, waking up several times at night and being worn down by the constant nightmares.
 
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I have some good results from melatonin, but it fades away after just a few days. As well as N24 there is another condition called Delayed Sleep Syndrome; both of these are so-called circadian problems and there is an interesting organisation based in the US trying deal with these problems. In the US, N24 is legally recognised as a medical condition and employers are compelled to allow for it - in reality, that does not seem to work out well.

In Oxford there is a Professor called Russel Foster doing really interesting scientific work on sleep, but he's not a guy who see's patients.
 
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these are both prescription medications right? I took trazodone in the hospital to sleep. it is so noisy in hospitals anyway no one can sleep well there. I think i had a reaction to seroqual so i got off of it. I think that is right. Do you know any other over the counter solutions besides melatonin? thanks and hugs Mert :)
 
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Yes, those are prescription drugs I mentioned. Over the counter? You could take Benadryl, it can make you somewhat drowsy. A lot of people use it.
 
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thanks for the info. I have taken Benadryl before but forgot about it. I take it when I take a redeye flight to sleep on the plane and it helps for that i know. I tried unisom but i dont want to get in the habit of taking a sleeping pill. And i am taking so many pills now i dread pill taking in the morning. can you relate? Mert :)
 
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I can relate. I also take too many meds. I think Unisom has benadryl in it as welll. I dread taking pills also, but I think I need them at this point. Without any pills, I think I would really crash. I think the pills are somewhat addicting and difficult to stop once you have been on the for a while.
 
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Some people also take hydroxyzine for sleeping. It is similar to Benadryl but it is more effective. You may need a prescription for it in U.S. I am not sure. I am hoping you are sleeping better. I know it is very difficult when I can't sleep. Really distrupts my life. I hope your symptoms are improving and you are resting better.
 
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Tell me about it, always told I would grow out of being tired all the time. In reality it’s depression.
get to sleep around 4 am wake up about 11 then just in and out of consciousness for couple hours.
Right now been just laying on my bed for about 2 hours.
 
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Yes, depression takes its toll and can take away all energy and enthusiasm. I know how it goes, unfortunately.
 
Capt Hooke

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In reality it’s depression. get to sleep around 4 am wake up about 11 then just in and out of consciousness for couple hours. Right now been just laying on my bed for about 2 hours.
A very senior psychiatrist once told me exactly what the answer was to your problem (my problem), and I shall share it with you here!

Get up, get a cold shower, then take your dog for a long walk.

Actually, I never did try that, I don't have a dog so that limits things.

Some years ago I got hold of a cylinder of oxygen gas and installed it by my bedside; the idea being that breathing pure oxygen would surely bring me up to speed when I woke up. No, no effect whatsoever
 
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