I got rejected for PIP, again

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It doesn’t really save money as they back pay you, I still got rejected at my last tribunal which took over a year.

I don’t think they can penalise you for help you do get as it’s about what you can’t do. Not being able to tidy causes me anxiety so getting the help doesn’t overly help me, if that makes sense?
 
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It does save money because claimants give up on their claims.
 
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I suppose in that way it does, or we just get rejected after over a year and being grilled like a criminal :( I honestly don’t know if I’d be able to go through another tribunal with how long the last one took. The person before me on my first date took too long and I was sent away. They said they’d call me back in 4-6 weeks but it took over 3 months. This meant by the time I had my tribunal it was over a year since I’d first applied, so much had changed including my grandfather passing away suddenly.

I just hope by some miracle I can get this changed at the mandatory reconsideration, I know very few do but I have to try hope. I got so upset yesterday I said to my fiancé about giving up and going back to work, but he said that’s not an option as it would make me so much worse again :(
 
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the assessors are definitely not properly qualified
and their object is to take the benefit off us
I always take either an advocate or a mental health worker with me
not just a family member, as they will still behave badly around the family member
one person took a family member along
and the family member was told they were not allowed to speak !

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Don’t give up. On my DLA to PIP transfer I was denied PIP but given it on MR, so it does happen. My last PIP review became a complete nightmare - I ended up under the care of the crisis team as I simply couldn’t cope with the process. What they want is medical evidence of your difficulties. I know that can be difficult to obtain though. My GP practice charges £30 for a supporting letter for benefits but it’s worth it.
 
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I had a letter from my psychiatrist added to the evidence for the tribunal. They grilled me and played games. But they overturned the dwp decision. I was awarded 0 points at the initial assessment.
 
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It's very much a Theresa May thing. Nuff said...
 
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Thank you all so much for messaging me on here. It helps to know I am not alien, but also saddens me we are all going through this!
I’m waiting for so many referrals I can’t get a letter from anyone but my GP, they thankfully only charge £10 and I think I will be more concise this year when asking them what to include.

The assessor didn’t understand when I talked about bruxism and other basic medical terms. I’m actually mid complaint about the assessor and the others at the assessment centre. Due to how rude they were and incompetent.

I’ve started making notes for the MR, quoting direct lines from their directives and such. Just have to try and be hopeful I guess. If I have to go through it all again I’ll definitely take my fiancé AND someone form the likes of CAB etc
 
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A good strong letter from psychiatrist is what makes the difference.
 
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Hi, I got zero points on assessment and MR as the assessor was a downright liar. My intelligence was used against me too and the report said I studied maths so could do complex tasks! Yes 10 years ago, not now. I went to tribunal and went from zero to 18 points, I never even turned up in person so you do not always need to go. 73% of tribunals are successful. My conditions are social anxiety disorder, agoraphobia, alcohol use disorder.
 
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A good strong letter from psychiatrist is what makes the difference.
I’ve seen “my” psychiatrist once since April and they haven’t bothered to call me back despite committing to do so. He didn’t listen to me either and kept telling me I couldn’t mean what I said. As if I did it would mean I was suffering from more than anxiety, depression and agoraphobia. He also hasn’t submitted his report to my GP over three months on. My GP is getting me (my fiancé) to call the MH team and get a new psych and actual diagnosis ASAP. But as we know with NHS that can take forever. My issues are also physical, with having fibromyalgia and other things.

@JamesUniversal so many lies in mine too! My fiancé is so angry, he has to help me get up and sit down. When he’s not there I use whatever I can walls, arms of chairs, even radiators which is not ideal! I’ve now a lend of a stick until I can get my own which helps.
As for the anxiety and mental health issues, I have severe anxiety, but I still have manners. So when someone talks to me I will try reply, it’ll make me sick to my stomach, my tongue will stick in my mouth and more. But again, manners and not replying will make it worse as I will get more anxious at being judged. Silences make me uncomfortable.
The intelligence thing is so annoying, you could be super smart with degrees and more, but you can still suffer from mental and physical disabilities! Flip sale, look at Stephen Hawking!

If the likes of Capita would be honest! All these assessments create is more distress and people doing the unthinkable. *TRIGGER WARNING* the urges to hurt myself yesterday were much stronger than they have been since February when I got turned down the first time. This is what this does to people
 
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I havnt seen my psychiatrist in over two years. I saw my CPN a few months ago as my depression was spiralling and I was SH again and I thought I needed to see her. But they just discussed my case between themselves and decided antipsychotics was the answer. They weren’t too pleased when I refused and threatening me wit,h hospital. If I was that ill surely the psychiatrist would want to see me? I used to have a really good relationship with my p/doc but now it’s non existent and all my meetings are with a CPN . Trying to get to visit a psychiatrist now is like trying to pull hens teeth.
 
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Why not phone them up and explain your situation and see if they can give you an appointment? They are usually very busy and underfunded etc. so phone up earlier rather than later. Can someone take you instead of your fiance if they cannot sort something out??? Anyway, I hope you get it. The whole process of assessment, mandatory reconsideration and tribunal can take ages but can be worth it in the end. Although nervous at the tribunal, t he panel were very nice and we got there in the end. I wish you the best of luck xx
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It’s ridiculous how hard it is to get the help you need! You have to be dead or dying to get help :(
 
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I think acting knowledgeable about your conditions to assessors goes against people. I tell them I haven't got anything wrong with me (which I think I haven't) and how social services are stealing my money (which they are through appointeeship) and let my care staff do the talking. They are like ''okaay then!'' My first and only ESA interview I was only in the room 15 minutes and was awarded support group, told I shouldn't of been called to medical.

I think being really knowledgeable about your conditions intimidates the assessors as they most probably only read a a4 piece of paper on the condition, I think acting unknowledgeable about the condition would only help if you had somebody accompany you who insight into you difficulties.
 
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Seems like you've already got some good advice from the others.

Your GP should have someone called a GP care advisor (my local GP has one) and GP care advisors help you fill out benefit forms and do appeals (mandatory reconsideration). But also CAB can help as well.

You should also see if there's any local charities that specialise in your conditions that deal with welfare rights and benefits.

Don't give up, whatever you do! When I turned 16 and applied for PIP (I was on DLA), I scored 0 points on both categories and just gave up. Until 2 years later, I realised I was entitled for extra help from the government and I do deserve help. So, my mum applied for PIP on my behalf (I also can't use phones).

Just to let you know as well, PIP assessors do not have to be qualified in a particular area. This is what an actual job spec says, "Previous experience as an Assessor is NOT required as full comprehensive training is provided. We will consider applications from all levels of Nursing." It's not good.

Good luck get what you're entitled to!
 
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I’ve tried to act like I’m not knowledgable but but I can’t.

I’ve no real problems filling in the forms, clearly I’m doing something right as I’ve never had to go for assessments for ESA. I’ve got it two years in a row, no issue straight into support group. It’s just the lies of the assessors with PIP.
And as you’ve said they don’t need to know pretty much anything about the conditions you suffer.
Especially with things like fibromyalgia and mental health, we don’t know how we will feel when we wake up in the morning. I could maybe shower myself, but I will be in agony after and need to nap. I could have a week where I’m not so bad, followed by 2 months where I can barely move, am exhausted, depressed and more.

I’ve heard of people being in wheelchairs and being reported as walking....

Again thank you all for taking the time to talk to me
 
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i remember it took 2 yrs to get to a dla tribunal, they're thanks to me for having tryed to get better, they come in and say you haven't been in hosppital for a long time i say i've got a friend telling me to come off my drugs and go into hospital to get the money and help and if this goes on much longer i might just do that

then i said i was feeling anxious and could i go outside for a bit, giving them a chance to discuss me with my representative in my absence, could have sat there feeling anxious but felt that wouldn't help

remember before the tribunal i was begging in the street of yes for money for alcohol before meeting friends at this pub i'd beg the beer money outside kentish town tube

i worry a lot about benefits, all it'd take is a mistake by the clarks and living alone independently my face doesn't fit that well, it's been a problem for a lot of people independent living, a lot have moved into homes
 
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I was told it is easier to get PIP now for certain conditions, physical and mental. I think maybe you said too much. I have found i need to keep it simple and brief for them. A straight cause and effect. Sometimes we say too much and end up telling them we can do all of these things. They look for every opportunity to not give it to us. I talk too much also. Can you focus on one condition only?
 
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In theory I am only focusing on one condition, as it’s fibromyalgia and the physical and mental things are all part/symptoms of that. So by leaving any out I’m not properly conveying what affects me. Again it’s so weird ESA haven’t even called me in for a face to face and I was out right in the support group.

It’s hard for me not to say too much when I’m in the assessment, as once I start talking I sometimes can’t stop, I babble and don’t always make sense. That or I seize up and can’t talk at all. I have thought of having someone else talk to me, but I don’t know if that would make my anxiety worse and I’d butt in if they got anything “wrong” as such

I definitely never told them I could do anything that I couldn’t do. The fact I got some points shows it’s more then downplaying things? Things like saying I need an aid to get washed and dressed, when in fact I need my fiancé to help me. Which is why I only get dressed a few times a month and washed sometimes only once a week. Ack I dunno....I don’t want to leave anything out, as it’s all these together under fibro which make it so hard for me and not able to work
 

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