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I give up, I accept treatment even though I don't like it

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seriouslydisturbed

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Well yeah I give up. I think medication is the only way for someone like me. I've attacked people, I've smashed all the windows on a neighbors house and I threw a piece of concrete at my uncle's car cracking the windscreen. If my illness effected me in a different way where I wasn't attacking people and their property I would still try to go without medication but thats not the way it is. As one of my previous cpn's said it's the lesser of two evils.
 
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What crosses my mind is my first episode I was harmless. Could I have been helped in better ways.
 
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What crosses my mind is my first episode I was harmless. Could I have been helped in better ways.
Hit the nail on the head there buddy, same here. If I hadn't been fobbed off by a useless psychiatrist all those year ago when I first started having symptoms, would have saved me 6 years of struggle.If instead I had been offered some therapy, my condition may not have developed into schizophrenia.:p
 
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What crosses my mind is my first episode I was harmless. Could I have been helped in better ways.
It's quite possible that only you know the answer to that... ;) If you could have had control of your treatment/recovery what would you have done different, and what would have been the outcomes in your opinion? Until the professionals sit up and start listening to the very people who know their conditions and the effects it has on them best, and actually start to give a s*** and try to understand them, no progress will ever be made ;) My two pence worth :)
 
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Well yeah I give up. I think medication is the only way for someone like me. I've attacked people, I've smashed all the windows on a neighbors house and I threw a piece of concrete at my uncle's car cracking the windscreen. If my illness effected me in a different way where I wasn't attacking people and their property I would still try to go without medication but thats not the way it is. As one of my previous cpn's said it's the lesser of two evils.
Same for me - Has been my working conclusion for the past 11 years of med compliance since the last major episode - it's a lesser of evils.

It's a hard battle - especially given the current realities of the system/society/culture & nature of the difficulties/challenges that we're dealing with.

Past is past - try to Not give yourself a hard time over it all.

i think i could have been/could be far better helped - But what is is, as you say. Could be better, also also could be worse.
 
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Same for me - Has been my working conclusion for the past 11 years of med compliance since the last major episode - it's a lesser of evils.

Past is past - try to Not give yourself a hard time over it all.

i think i could have been/could be far better helped
I couldn't agree with you more... we have a responsibility to ourselves, and to others, and in my opinion whatever needs to be done for the benefit of the majority is the main concern ;) However if things are ever going to progress, we need to understand and make changes where they matter most, again to benefit the majority ;) and the only way to achieve that is by sharing our experiences, and opinions :) Wouldn't you agree ;)
 
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Lowest common denominator Eh? There is nothing to learn from these expressions, you must be put away either into a material penal system or a chemical one? Well you choose. Have done so all along. Since you have this long sentence ahead of you, which you choose just like you chose those acts of violence, I am offering a concurrent educational system, one that may provide hope of rehabilitation and not such a long and morbid sentence which your inner judge and jury seems so quick to enact.

While you are messing around with chemicals, why don't you read a few books, attend a few lectures maybe view a few exposes and documentaries, concerning what psychosis actually is and how to resolve it? Maybe instead of looking for ways off the psychologist couch and onto the petri dish of a psychiatrist, you might find a way to sit down and talk in depth with a psychologist about those things you you avoid for that grand "progress", which give the greatest progress when aired. It has gotten me into a work program outside of the material penal system, on a low dose of chemical restraints, and the hope of knowing why I do the things I do which I don't really want, which make my travel in this world all that much more difficult.

Or you can just get your very convenient and profitable high (or low) written statement every three months.

What will happen if your insurance carrier raises the rates beyond your income level, or the conservatives in congress or parliament cut off funds from you? Where will you be if all you have are chemicals between yourself and the material world are removed?

I can spell it out for you if you are so adamantly disposed (Moderated)

Your work for the freedom of yourself and others has only just begun. It pays well and has benefits if you set your mind on it.
 
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I couldn't agree with you more... we have a responsibility to ourselves, and to others, and in my opinion whatever needs to be done for the benefit of the majority is the main concern ;) However if things are ever going to progress, we need to understand and make changes where they matter most, again to benefit the majority ;) and the only way to achieve that is by sharing our experiences, and opinions :) Wouldn't you agree ;)
Yes - we have to live in the society/World that we're in, & we do have a personal responsibility/accountability, however unwell we have been.

i tried everything i could to live med free, & it wasn't possible. i couldn't continue to put the people around me through it all, especially close family. For all the criticism, i think that there is a very valid role for medications in cases.

Yes, lets have open & honest discussion around all these areas, & try & improve things, but it is a very complex & in depth subject, & the realities of this society/system are the realities of it all.

On balance/overall if a medication lessens suffering & helps someone cope & function, then i'm Not against it all. There is a very definite place for pharmacology - But i do feel that there also needs to be a focus on other support & approaches as well.

For all the talk also on alternatives - facts remain that some people are mental ill/unwell in various ways & to various degrees - they have a psychic/psychological, emotional disturbance - yes debate what, why & how & best approaches, but the realities & difficulties of it all are very real & apparent & what to do about it all, from the pov of the individual & society.
 
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What will happen if your insurance carrier raises the rates beyond your income level, or the conservatives in congress or parliament cut off funds from you? Where will you be if all you have are chemicals between yourself and the material world are removed?

I can spell it out for you if you are so adamantly disposed..... F-U-C-K-E-D-!
i think that is of real concern for some people - But there is still some semblance of a system with it all - i don't know in this area what country is worse with it all, the US, UK or others? There are pros & cons to every country in it's treatments of people experiencing mental health difficulties.

People can 'only' do their best with the individual resources/circumstances that they have/are in, & do their best with their own lives & experiences. it is a very real battle & struggle that people go through with it all. For all it's faults i don't blame people complying with the system in various ways.
 
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It is a very real battle & struggle that people go through with it all. For all it's faults i don't blame people complying with the system in various ways.
I don't blame people who suffer for suffering. I do blame the system. I blame a system that is focused on capital as the center piece of civilization. I blame capitalism. The idea that a product made in a factory will some how solve your psychological or existential crisis is simply marketing and a fucking lie. It on the same level as marketing for beer or cigarettes or brand new Toyota truck, or gram of crack cocaine. Same false promises, same sort of slogans, same slick salesmen, same results, same revolving door to the sales floor.

There is no question that many of us really have no choice but to consume chemicals. That is the problem. I want that to change. I have never read a biography or auto-biography of a person who resolved their psychosis who took pills or continued to take pills. BUT each of them had help from others that were open, dedicated to the cause, and believed the person could resolve it.

What I have been trying to do for the past five years is wake up people in our community to what is going on, in order to stimulate grass roots change. We can't expect help just to drop out of the sky or come from the top down. It has to be generated from with in our ranks and outward. We have to organize to a greater degree, and be the help for each other that we are looking for from the system. We all have to become educated in the subject matter and challenge our preconceived or learned concepts and then go into action. That is how change happens. It doesn't start with someone else, its starts with oneself. You are not going to get real change from a pill, you will get change though, just not what you really need.
 
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I don't blame people who suffer for suffering. I do blame the system. I blame a system that is focused on capital as the center piece of civilization. I blame capitalism. The idea that a product made in a factory will some how solve your psychological or existential crisis is simply marketing and a fucking lie. It on the same level as marketing for beer or cigarettes or brand new Toyota truck, or gram of crack cocaine. Same false promises, same sort of slogans, same slick salesmen, same results, same revolving door to the sales floor.
i agree with you - But in essence has the system really ever been any different? & what do 'we' do about it all? How do 'we' change it? People/individuals sometimes think they're making progress in changing it all - But they're Not.

There is no question that many of us really have no choice but to consume chemicals. That is the problem. I want that to change. I have never read a biography or auto-biography of a person who resolved their psychosis who took pills or continued to take pills. BUT each of them had help from others that were open, dedicated to the cause, and believed the person could resolve it.
Same question really as to how do 'we' change the system?

i'm very grateful to family/friends, alternative healers & people/help in my life, but there hasn't been a more ideal understanding/support. Wasn't able to successfully get off the medication & doubt at this stage i ever will do. 10 Million web sites/books/films/conferences on alternatives, won't make any real difference to people getting appropriate understanding/support at the correct time.

My own small efforts, especially over the past 11 years - well over 100,000 posts across multiple forums/platforms - numerous letters to various organisations - being critical of the current system & promoting alternatives - it's made No real difference to the bigger picture.

What I have been trying to do for the past five years is wake up people in our community to what is going on, in order to stimulate grass roots change. We can't expect help just to drop out of the sky or come from the top down. It has to be generated from with in our ranks and outward. We have to organize to a greater degree, and be the help for each other that we are looking for from the system. We all have to become educated in the subject matter and challenge our preconceived or learned concepts and then go into action. That is how change happens. It doesn't start with someone else, its starts with oneself. You are not going to get real change from a pill, you will get change though, just not what you really need.
i do my best within my own circles & with my own resources - & that's all i can do - i think it would take a major miracle now with me to shift/change certain things.
 
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I understand exactly what you are going through. I am 31 years old. I have tons of people in my life, and family that suggest... be on medicine, be on medicine, and than I have most of the "serious people" in my life like my job, etc... talking and bashing medicines that have helped me keep my cool when in the past I felt like it was uncontrollable. I have taken everything under the sun for the period of time I was supposed to and the outcomes were even worse. Anxiety medicines tricked my brain, and made things worse, freak outs, panics, all that.

Medicine's for pain, etc seemed to have made me more relaxed, etc but yet at the same time cannot afford the health care, and medicine which would help the cause so than I am looked as a drug addict if the medicine is somehow received, and I lost insurance, and get it back and lose it and get it back. It can make a person go crazy. For the past 4 years, I have had no real DR. I cannot afford what they doctors require from me, and the time and test they wanna use and cost me while working and pleasing the people I love. I don't believe the doctors helped me when they prescribed me medications in the past, and I think most of the diagnoses I've received were incorrect besides hypoclecemia. I think food is the number one issue in this world, and food is the secret... people don't discuss, perf.. the rich because it has to much to do with well being, routine, and mental health. This country though would rather make false ad's and feed people food to cause this problems to benefit the upper class... how sad.
 
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I personally don't think it's all about medicate, or not medicate. It is more a question of the majority sharing their experiences in a truthful and productive way, so that the experts get a overall picture of the outcomes of their practices... unfortunately mixing medications, and introducing medications while users are still under the influence of previous ones in my opinion adds to the confusion. However if users are able to discuss the outcomes of the above, maybe progress can be made ;) In addition to that, if users are able to share their opinions again in a productive and truthful manner, maybe various other channels can be explored too... Wouldn't it be amazing if people could be cured (do the job once), rather than constantly battling to treat the symptoms, which is a drain on everybody's resources...
 
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i take my meds whether or not i have a serious illness i've been using these meds so long to handle some very unpleasent experiences, coming off meds and facing those years of unresolved feelings is imposssible

incidentally a lot of those unpleasent experiences have been due to neighbours who refuse treatment

I do think about the extra hours i sleep cutting down the waking period of my life, that on top of the lowere life expectancy, according to the psychiatrist thats due to the illlness
 
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I need to be medicated. That is just that. I have tried to go it on my own and no way. If I would have gotten treatment earlier which I did have things are the way they are right now.
 
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