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It looks like there are 3 of us here so far with exactly the same problems with this drug, amisulpride, I only know it didn't cause my diabetes cos I developed that before I first got it and way before I took this drug.CPU doesn't have diabetes either, but it could have caused your diabetes apple, cos the wierdest thing is how each drug causes different side effect in different people, we don't all get the same side effects on them, very strange.
 
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It looks like there are 3 of us here so far with exactly the same problems with this drug, amisulpride
Glad i'm not alone with it all. That is something. i'm a lot more resided to taking it than i was. If i stop it, i really do go off planet.
 
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You aren't alone CPU, I am stuck on Amisulpride and can't get off it too!:BLAH:
I have resigned myself to it for now and also am more relaxed about it than I used to be.
I think it is more important to see that I have some quality to my life and stay as well as I can be.:)NicolaX
 
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You aren't alone CPU, I am stuck on Amisulpride and can't get off it too!:BLAH:
I have resigned myself to it for now and also am more relaxed about it than I used to be.
I think it is more important to see that I have some quality to my life and stay as well as I can be.:)NicolaX
Yea, that's all we can do. Only hope really i feel is a major shift for the better either/both in personal circumstances/inner World - & with a drastic shift within society/the MH system towards these areas/conditions/experiences - which i find very hard to see happening in my lifetime? Best to not get too resentful or angry about it all, but 'they' are fuckers for the way it all is.
 
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Safely withdrawal of medication is as important as completion of full course. It is necessary that patient follow all the prescription instructions properly. Sudden withdrawal of anti psychotic medication can cause serious withdrawal symptoms in patient.
 
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Hi, Ya I do believe personally, well this is just me i'm sure much agree aswell that drugs/medications prescribed to most ARE most of the time not doing them any good. I have read a lot on people's stories how taking drugs/medications has done the reverse.. these medications/prescribed drugs = also known as chemical drugs and anything I think with any chemical in it is obviously going to be harmless?!....
anyway.. last February unfortunately not really realising much how it's bad, very bad to go off medication too quick and you need to come off them slowly rather than just straight away, and i became over this whole year more depressed , withdrawing, had thoughts the odd time of suicide, anxiety was kinda gone bad again. But i've been good this past while better but i believe actually that going off the meds/tablets too soon prob resulted in becoming more depressed etc.. I have started taking these oils a couple of months now, also doing techniques/ exercises for different things, reading up on things and understanding the REAL effects of these so called great tablets, anti-psychotic medication. I have also started eating healthy more but I believe the way I was the months before hand was because I had gone off meds too early. Going to make use of a new treadmill :D and eat healthy! way more! , only way to get rid of mainly mood/ depressive and anxiety disorders. I was reading a book by a guy called Ronnie Plant called ''Selling Sickness'' my aunt gave it to my dad, he talks about the real truth behind most prescribed medications. It's very interesting.
 
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I see that you have a lot of knowledge about coming off psychiatric medication. I am using some of the links you posted to learn more. I'm helping my daughter to come off medication. I understand that we should decrease 10% at a time. It is a process that we really don't know for sure where it will lead us. But I think it is important to have people to share the experience, and to get knowledge about medication and how the shrinks use them (trial and error.) Sometimes we get lost. But we need to focus on the personal equilibrium and wellness.

I'm new to this forum. I'm still learning to use it. I understand that you started the process of tapering your medication some years ago. One thing I would like to add, as that my belief after reading the book "Nutrient Power", by William Walsh is that most mental illnesses are epigenetic. The biochemistry of our body can be corrected with natural nutrients existing in foods. The psychiatric drugs can help in some things, but they DO NOT HEAL, and can cause terrible side effects. Vitamins and minerals found in nature, and used carefully by trained physicians, can do the same as pharmaceutical drugs without the side effects, because we naturally swallow them in the food we eat. The biochemical processes in our bodies use vitamins and minerals to create and transport neuro-transmiters.

Nutrition is extremely important, but the foods may contain nutrients that are not good for our specific biochemistry. It is necessary to have blood and urine exam to determine more elements of our biochemistry. Some doctors also request hair analysis.

My daughter is taking six pharmaceutical drugs at the moment. The great point is that she does not have psychosis now. She has already stopped the oral 3 mg Risperidal with the permission and guidance of her psychiatrist. Ten days ago, she decreased 300 mg of Lithium Carbonate. It was a lot, but she is OK.

She still takes 600 mg of Lithium, Risperidone Consta 37.5 injection, Lorazepan, Sertraline 100 mg, Temazepan 30 mg, and Nicorette (better than cigarette). We plan to start reducing Temazepan, without asking the doc, today. I read in several places that Temazepam should be used for a short period of time as a sleeping pill. She has been using for over 6 months this time. The psychatrist does not really care. It is habit forming. Now I'm educating myself about medication, and passing the information to my daughter. She is not well enough to read and write.

This psychatrist has been treating her for six years. She has changed her diagnosis from bipolar I to schizoaffective. At least she knows that my daughter has the Nutrient Therapy treatment. We share the information of test results and prescriptions with both doctors. We gave the psychiatrist Dr. Walsh's book. She said that she read and found it informative.

I think the Nutrient Therapy is much better than the pharmaceutical treatment. But Walsh says on the book that from the patients diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar treated with nutrients, just 5% could be totally out of psychiatric drugs. But all of them, using nutrients, reduced the doses to a minimal amount.

They are continuing the research, and Walsh mentions that Epigenetics research may lead to a cure of schizophrenia (page 54).

If you want to go to Walsh Research Institute website, you can watch videos, read articles, and find information about clinics/physicians in Europe who use the same protocol. I imagine that you live in England as most people in this Forum.

Thank you for posting a lot of useful links, and sharing your experience. :cheer:








Yea, that's all we can do. Only hope really i feel is a major shift for the better either/both in personal circumstances/inner World - & with a drastic shift within society/the MH system towards these areas/conditions/experiences - which i find very hard to see happening in my lifetime? Best to not get too resentful or angry about it all, but 'they' are fuckers for the way it all is.
 
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I think the Nutrient Therapy is much better than the pharmaceutical treatment. But Walsh says on the book that from the patients diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar treated with nutrients, just 5% could be totally out of psychiatric drugs. But all of them, using nutrients, reduced the doses to a minimal amount.

They are continuing the research, and Walsh mentions that Epigenetics research may lead to a cure of schizophrenia (page 54).

If you want to go to Walsh Research Institute website, you can watch videos, read articles, and find information about clinics/physicians in Europe who use the same protocol. I imagine that you live in England as most people in this Forum.

Thank you for posting a lot of useful links, and sharing your experience. :cheer:
Hi. i wish you all the best with your daughters treatment & healing/recovery. Am glad you got something from this thread.

Some people do find orthomolecular treatment very beneficial.

My last withdrawal/stopping attempt was 10 to 12 years ago - i did a 2 year reduction & stopped the medication - it didn't work out for me. i have taken a low dose of one medication since & that seems for me to currently be the best compromise.

Some people do successfully get medication free, & others don't. i'm too afraid of what would happen to try another withdrawal, & feel i need far more understanding & support before i would consider it again.

It does seem wise for people to get to as low/wise use/med free place as possible.;

Best wishes.
 
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Hello shining,
I recommend you PM ing member ||||ME|||| for advice on withdrawing as he is very knowledgable on the subject and there are quite a few of his old threads you can find and read,sorry I do not have the links to post myself.Always though slow tapering is best when coming off any psychiatric drug.I wish you and your daughter all the very best.Nikitax
 
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I'm glad you are using a minimum dose. It seems that, with the present state of science, it is hard for many people to be completely out of psychiatric drugs. But if you have never tried the orthomolecular therapy it may be a good option to start looking into it, without trying another withdrawal. My daughter's orthomolecular physicians (they are two who work together) do a parallel treatment. They try to balance her biochemistry using vitamins and minerals. There is a whole amount of research in this area. She has high copper level in her blood, and high histamine. She has done three blood exams. These levels are decreasing.

Even if she can never be pharmaceutical drug free, I'm sure it will be great if she can be well with low doses. The doctors will communicate with each other if it is necessary in this process. But I read on Walsh's book that it takes nine months at least, for people, who are undermethylated, to regulate the methyl level.

I have no doubt about the need for a holistic treatment. It is good to go to therapy, to meditate, to have spirituality, attend social events, and feel well as a whole. It is a process. I was not diagnosed with a mental illness, but I have several family members that are. I have no doubts about the genetic predisposition. As my mother was bipolar, I have tried since I was a teenager to find balance and I searched for psychological support. In the past we didn't have the internet, and I lived in Brazil. But I could find some support, even there.

My daughter was a healthy child. She was sociable, happy and didn't have depression. I think the use of marijuana triggered the expression of the gene that produces imbalance. The environment is very important in this situation. The environment can be chemical or stress related. It changes the body chemistry. She says that she does not have trauma. Many people can forget the trauma, but she continues affirming this.

She has conscience now and remembers most of what she felt when she was psychotic. It is complicated because for her that reality was very real. I believe that this is what happens with most people who have psychosis.

My daughter also has a psychologist. Do you see a psychologist too?
This support may help you with your social-emotional needs.

Keep taking good care of yourself.
 
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But if you have never tried the orthomolecular therapy it may be a good option to start looking into it, without trying another withdrawal.
i've looked into it/tried it a lot - i personally didn't find it made a lot of difference & i find the claims of it all very dubious & controversial. Of course a healthy/balanced diet is advisable - But beyond that, how much is diet a cure for these conditions? It's debatable. Some people find this area more helpful than others.

She has conscience now and remembers most of what she felt when she was psychotic. It is complicated because for her that reality was very real. I believe that this is what happens with most people who have psychosis.
Very much so. i find this very hard to resolve.

My daughter also has a psychologist. Do you see a psychologist too?
i've tried them - have never found the ones i've seen much help. Have had most help from alternative healers, but have found limitations with all that as well. i generally just try & accept the condition, plod on taking the pills & try & live my life as best i can a day at a time.
 
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Thank you so much Nikita. I will try to find member ||||ME||||, and maybe the link on withdrawing. I do need to know as much as possible, as I'm an anchor for my daughter. Two years ago she was much better, and she tried to get off medication without telling me. She says she wanted to make a good surprise to me, as she believed she was going to be very well without drugs.

I was naive and I didn't perceive she was going off medication. During this period my mother passed away, which was traumatizing for her. The withdrawal turned into the worst thing she could have done. She became completely psychotic until a month ago. She had five hospitalizations since January 2014. She even became suicidal, what had never happened before.

Now I am also afraid and scared. I'm also totally sure that the regular psychiatric system does not work here in the US, neither in most countries. The psychiatric drugs can help in some ways but are very harmful too.
The orthomolecular therapy is one option, at least to help with reducing psychiatric medication.

Have you been through this process of tapering ?

I wish you the best too. xxx
 
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A few recommended books on the subject of orthomelecular/holistic medicine -

Natural Healing for Schizophrenia: And Other Common Mental Disorders
by Eva Edelman

Prescription for Nutritional Healing, Fifth Edition: A Practical A-to-Z Reference to Drug-Free Remedies Using Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs & Food ... A-To-Z Reference to Drug-Free Remedies)
by Phyllis Balch

Natural Medicine Guide to Schizophrenia (The Healthy Mind Guides)
by Stephanie Marohn

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Culpeper's Complete Herbal (Wordsworth Reference)
by Nicholas Culpeper

Encyclopaedia of Magical Herbs (Llewellyn's Sourcebook Series)
by Scott Cunningham
 
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Now I am also afraid and scared. I'm also totally sure that the regular psychiatric system does not work here in the US, neither in most countries. The psychiatric drugs can help in some ways but are very harmful too.
The orthomolecular therapy is one option, at least to help with reducing psychiatric medication.
i agree that it's a failed system, that it's wrong to have a primary focus on drugging people, & far more could be done with alternatives. The problem is it all is the way it is. It's very hard trying to access more comprehensive alternatives.
 
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