• Safety Notice: This section on Psychiatric Drugs/Medications enables people to share their personal experiences of using such drugs/medications. Always seek the advice of your doctor, psychiatrist or other qualified health professional before making any changes to your medications or with any questions you may have regarding drugs/medications. In considering coming off psychiatric drugs it is very important that you are aware that most psychiatric drugs can cause withdrawal reactions, sometimes including life-threatening emotional and physical withdrawal problems. In short, it is not only dangerous to start taking psychiatric drugs, it can also be dangerous to stop them. Withdrawal from psychiatric drugs should only be done carefully under experienced clinical supervision.

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I'm glad you are using a minimum dose. It seems that, with the present state of science, it is hard for many people to be completely out of psychiatric drugs. But if you have never tried the orthomolecular therapy it may be a good option to start looking into it, without trying another withdrawal. My daughter's orthomolecular physicians (they are two who work together) do a parallel treatment. They try to balance her biochemistry using vitamins and minerals. There is a whole amount of research in this area. She has high copper level in her blood, and high histamine. She has done three blood exams. These levels are decreasing.

Even if she can never be pharmaceutical drug free, I'm sure it will be great if she can be well with low doses. The doctors will communicate with each other if it is necessary in this process. But I read on Walsh's book that it takes nine months at least, for people, who are undermethylated, to regulate the methyl level.

I have no doubt about the need for a holistic treatment. It is good to go to therapy, to meditate, to have spirituality, attend social events, and feel well as a whole. It is a process. I was not diagnosed with a mental illness, but I have several family members that are. I have no doubts about the genetic predisposition. As my mother was bipolar, I have tried since I was a teenager to find balance and I searched for psychological support. In the past we didn't have the internet, and I lived in Brazil. But I could find some support, even there.

My daughter was a healthy child. She was sociable, happy and didn't have depression. I think the use of marijuana triggered the expression of the gene that produces imbalance. The environment is very important in this situation. The environment can be chemical or stress related. It changes the body chemistry. She says that she does not have trauma. Many people can forget the trauma, but she continues affirming this.

She has conscience now and remembers most of what she felt when she was psychotic. It is complicated because for her that reality was very real. I believe that this is what happens with most people who have psychosis.

My daughter also has a psychologist. Do you see a psychologist too?
This support may help you with your social-emotional needs.

Keep taking good care of yourself.
 
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But if you have never tried the orthomolecular therapy it may be a good option to start looking into it, without trying another withdrawal.
i've looked into it/tried it a lot - i personally didn't find it made a lot of difference & i find the claims of it all very dubious & controversial. Of course a healthy/balanced diet is advisable - But beyond that, how much is diet a cure for these conditions? It's debatable. Some people find this area more helpful than others.

She has conscience now and remembers most of what she felt when she was psychotic. It is complicated because for her that reality was very real. I believe that this is what happens with most people who have psychosis.
Very much so. i find this very hard to resolve.

My daughter also has a psychologist. Do you see a psychologist too?
i've tried them - have never found the ones i've seen much help. Have had most help from alternative healers, but have found limitations with all that as well. i generally just try & accept the condition, plod on taking the pills & try & live my life as best i can a day at a time.
 
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Thank you so much Nikita. I will try to find member ||||ME||||, and maybe the link on withdrawing. I do need to know as much as possible, as I'm an anchor for my daughter. Two years ago she was much better, and she tried to get off medication without telling me. She says she wanted to make a good surprise to me, as she believed she was going to be very well without drugs.

I was naive and I didn't perceive she was going off medication. During this period my mother passed away, which was traumatizing for her. The withdrawal turned into the worst thing she could have done. She became completely psychotic until a month ago. She had five hospitalizations since January 2014. She even became suicidal, what had never happened before.

Now I am also afraid and scared. I'm also totally sure that the regular psychiatric system does not work here in the US, neither in most countries. The psychiatric drugs can help in some ways but are very harmful too.
The orthomolecular therapy is one option, at least to help with reducing psychiatric medication.

Have you been through this process of tapering ?

I wish you the best too. xxx
 
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A few recommended books on the subject of orthomelecular/holistic medicine -

Natural Healing for Schizophrenia: And Other Common Mental Disorders
by Eva Edelman

Prescription for Nutritional Healing, Fifth Edition: A Practical A-to-Z Reference to Drug-Free Remedies Using Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs & Food ... A-To-Z Reference to Drug-Free Remedies)
by Phyllis Balch

Natural Medicine Guide to Schizophrenia (The Healthy Mind Guides)
by Stephanie Marohn

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Culpeper's Complete Herbal (Wordsworth Reference)
by Nicholas Culpeper

Encyclopaedia of Magical Herbs (Llewellyn's Sourcebook Series)
by Scott Cunningham
 
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Now I am also afraid and scared. I'm also totally sure that the regular psychiatric system does not work here in the US, neither in most countries. The psychiatric drugs can help in some ways but are very harmful too.
The orthomolecular therapy is one option, at least to help with reducing psychiatric medication.
i agree that it's a failed system, that it's wrong to have a primary focus on drugging people, & far more could be done with alternatives. The problem is it all is the way it is. It's very hard trying to access more comprehensive alternatives.
 
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These are the links that |||ME||| usually gives for psychiatric drug withdrawal methodologies:

Harm Reduction Guide to Coming Off Psychiatric Drugs and Withdrawal | The Icarus Project
Tool box for coping with psychiatric drug withdrawal syndromes (and some chronic pain and/or illness too)
MHF summary thread on harm reduction coming off psychiatric drugs

Hopefully that will get you started.

Deciding whether or not to withdraw is a tough question, it's easy to get it wrong and sometimes it's no better than trial and error. We would all like to be rid of them, because of the side effects, but some of us can't do without them, sadly. It takes many years to find out in which category you belong.
 
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‘More Harm than Good’ conference can be watched live

More Harm Than Good: Confronting the Psychiatric Medication Epidemic |

More Harm Than Good: Confronting the Psychiatric Medication Epidemic

a one-day international conference at the University of Roehampton

The Council for Evidence-based Psychiatry invites you to join global leaders in the critical psychiatry movement for a one-day conference which will address an urgent public health issue: the iatrogenic harm caused by the over-prescription of psychiatric medications.

There is clear evidence that these drugs cause more harm than good over the long term, and can damage patients and even shorten their lives. Yet why are these medications so popular? What harms are they causing? What can be done to address the problem?

This event brings together key experts from both sides of the Atlantic to debate these issues, and we invite you to join the discussion

'More Harm than Good' conference can be watched live |

CEP is pleased to announce that its upcoming conference More Harm than Good: Confronting the Psychiatric Medication Epidemic will be ‘live streamed’ via YouTube on 18 September. This means that anyone with an Internet connection can watch the conference for free in real time. In addition, each of the talks will be filmed and posted onto the CEP website for later viewing.

There are two streams to view. The first starts at 9am BST (GMT+1) and will record the morning session. The address is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8kMnFTBgvc

The second starts at 2pm BST (GMT+1) and will record the afternoon session. The address is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaSF1vjCwrk
 
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Beyond Medication
by David Garfield and Daniel Mackler

https://www.routledge.com/products/9780415463874

Beyond Medication focuses on the creation and evolution of the therapeutic relationship as the agent of change in the recovery from psychosis.
Organized from the clinician's point of view, this practical guidebook moves directly into the heart of the therapeutic process with a sequence of chapters that outline the progressive steps of engagement necessary to recovery. Both the editors and contributors challenge the established medical model by placing the therapeutic relationship at the centre of the treatment process, thus supplanting medication as the single most important element in recovery.
Divided into three parts, topics of focus include:

Strengthening the patient
The mechanism of therapeutic change
Sustaining the therapeutic approach.

This book will be essential reading for all mental health professionals working with psychosis including psychoanalysts, psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers.

"Beyond Medication is a superb collection of essays. The book remains of great assistance to all those who know that recovery of a meaningful life from psychosis often requires dedicated painstaking skilled attention from 'another'. The nature of the attention needed varies greatly between one person who experiences psychosis and another. This is why the value of such involvement cannot be proven readily by the contemporary insistence on random controlled trials that treats every person and every therapist as if they were clones. Important books like this need to be widely read."

Brian Martindale
Honorary Lifetime Member ISPS

ISPS -

ISPS is an international organization promoting psychotherapy and psychological treatments for persons with psychosis (a term which includes persons diagnosed with "schizophrenia"). We are committed to advancing education, training and knowledge of mental health professionals in the treatment and prevention of psychotic mental disorders. We seek to achieve the best possible outcomes for service user/survivors by engaging in meaningful partnership with health professionals, service user/survivors, families and carers.
Welcome to ISPS

ISPS UK: UK Network of the International Society for Psychological & Social Approaches to Psychosis
 
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Complex Withdrawal -

Complex Withdrawal | RxISK

Half a century of problems: Time to get serious

The problems that people can have stopping psychotropic drugs have been recognized since the 1950s. There is no agreement as to just what happens, or how to tackle what’s involved. Some of the symptoms that some people experience on stopping antidepressants, benzodiazepines, dopamine agonists or antipsychotics are puzzling.

These withdrawal symptoms can often be severe, even with a slow taper over many months with a liquid version of the drug. There can also be long-term problems after stopping – anything from cognitive difficulties to sexual dysfunction.

In this section, we put forward a new model of what might be going on in terms of the underlying physiology.

The first part – Complex Withdrawal Model – takes a brief look at the history of psychotropic drug withdrawal and outlines the main hypothesis that is being proposed.

We also provide a number of other articles which give additional details and act as a starting point for those who want to help research these issues.

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This website aims to give you up to date information about psychiatric medication, how it functions and the withdrawal process. It is put together by people who have been prescribed medication and withdrawn from it, and clinicians who have been involved in supporting this process. If we have a period of distress or confusion and receive medical help we are generally given a diagnosis and prescribed psychiatric drugs. Research suggests doctors tend to know more about putting people on medication than the actual withdrawal process. It is important therefore to disseminate information about the coming off process.
Coming Off Psychiatric Medication
 
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Welcome to the world’s largest site on non-drug approaches for mental health

Thousands of people around the world have recovered from mental disorders and now enjoy the simple pleasures of a drug-free life. Most were told this was impossible. Yet we hear from these individuals regularly.

Many others have been able to significantly reduce their dependency on psychiatric medication. Commonly these people find that underlying their “mental” disorders are medical problems, allergies, toxic conditions, nutritional imbalances, poor diets, lack of exercise, or other treatable physical conditions.

Our site has testimonials, over 100 articles, and the Web’s first directory of alternative mental health practitioners. You can also get information from our support groups and free newsletter. We hope you find the answers you have been looking for…

Alternative Mental Health
 
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The following listings provide information for people looking for alternatives to conventional, drug-focused care.

Please note: Mad In America does not endorse any of the listings here. We provide this information simply as a resource for readers.


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i had increased the Amisulpride to 300mg a couple of years ago.

At some stage i feel it may be an idea to try & reduce it back down again, very gradually, using the 10% method.

Part of the problem as i see it is stress, & overall circumstances. Things are hard. i can't afford to get severely unwell again. i am however concerned about the effects & longer term consequences of this medication.

There has been 27 years of psychiatric drug treatments since 1990. Prozac & Stelazine in 1994 for a few years. 1200mg Amisulpride in 1998 for a year. 1999 to current time have maintained 200mg of Amisulpride & increased to 300mg a few years ago, with 2 stopping attempts in 2001 & 2003/4. i stopped all medications 5 times, for around 8 years in total, but the last 3 withdrawal/stopping attempts were disastrous. Am very unsure about stopping medication again, But to get to a more minimum dose i feel may be wise.
 
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A Guide to Minimal Use of Neuroleptics -

By
Volkmar Aderhold
October 2, 2016

"This guide provides a comprehensive review of antipsychotics, and an evidence-based rationale for treating first-episode patients without immediate use of antipsychotics; for prescribing antipsychotics at low doses when they are needed; and for supporting patients who want to taper from antipsychotic medication.

Authors: V. Aderhold, Institute for Social Psychiatry at the University of Greifswald, Germany; P. Stastny, Department of Epidemiology, Columbia University, New York"

A Guide to Minimal Use of Neuroleptics - Mad In America