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I found this interesting article on a comparison between the matrix films & Gnosticism. Some of you may find it interesting. The web site contains some interesting info on Gnosticism.

http://www.metahistory.org/APPLIED/amf_MediaMania.php

Facing the Archons

The way beyond the Matrix remains to be discovered. Baudrillard’s effete and largely impenetrable writings on simulation, but this may be a red herring, as there is another way, perhaps a better way, to explain what is happening in the Matrix. In a long article entitled "Gnosticism Reborn: The Matrix as Shamanic Journey," author Jake Horsely considers how the Matrix films reflect the Gnostic myth of the Archons, alien entities who attempt to deceive humanity by simulating its thoughts and behavior. Although Horsley delves into Gnostic mythology only superficially, and does not mention the Archons except in a footnote, his essay introduces an entirely new perspective on the plot the Matrix trilogy.

Gnosticism is the name historians give to the final phase of a vast tradition of pagan spirituality that came to be condemned as heresy when Christianity rose to power. Until the discovery of the Nag Hammadi documents in 1945, almost nothing was known of the core teachings of Gnosticism. The word Gnostic means simply "one who knows" but carries the implication of special insight that penetrates to the hidden core of human experience. Certain Gnostics taught that humans are deviated from their proper course of evolution by a bizarre species of inorganic beings who inhabit the solar system beyond the earth, and named this species the Archons. The Greek word archon means "authority," and the Archons are sometimes called "the Authorities." In the Matrix, the Agents are the authorities who police the simulated world looking for human replicas like Neo who show signs of waking up to the scam. Horsely explains the Gnostic idea that the Archons try to impose "a program of mind control, or soul enslavement [in order to] keep mankind distracted by material problems and concerns, imprisoned by its own fear of death, of mortality, and ignorant of its true, divine nature."

A Gnostic perspective thus suggests that the Matrix scenario presents a cyberpunk version of a genuine spiritual dilemma, a true and daunting challenge that faces humanity, perhaps its ultimate challenge. In their warnings about deception by the Archons, Gnostics may have foreseen the risks of AI two thousand years before it emerged. However, the manner in which the Archons operate, their strategy of simulation, as it were, as described in certain Gnostic texts, does not involve advanced technological devices but religious ideology. (Horsely does not explore this point.) According to the Gnostic texts, Archontic deviation of the human species is a form of mass behaviour modification achieved through blind conformity to certain false religious beliefs, such as the belief in salvation from a sinful condition by the intervention of God or God’s only representative. In short, Gnostics rejected the salvationist ideology common to Judaism and Christanity (and later, after their elimination, Islam).

It is known that Gnostic ideas deeply influenced Philip K. Dick, widely considered as the greatest sci-fi writer of the twentieth century. Certainly Gnosticism presents theological and cosmological beliefs as if plotted in a science fiction novel. This characterization of Gnostic ideas is suggested by scholar Richard Smith in the afterword to The Nag Hammadi Library in English: "Gnostic motifs have been identified in that most visionary of our modern literary genres, science fiction… In the science fiction novels of the prolific writer Philip K. Dick… Gnosticism is consciously employed" (p. 546). In Valis and other works, Dick developed the idea that humans live in a "two-world hologram," part of which is genuinely real and part of which is the deceptive projection of an alien mentality that distorts our humanity. This schizophrenic model is consistent with the Gnostic mythos.

With the Archons we face an alien invasion in the depths of our own minds.

Escape from the Matrix

Treated as a heresy in its time and still considered as such by the Catholic Church, Gnosticism has been widely misrepresented, even by those who claim to defend it. In particular, there is enormous disinformation around Gnostic views on the reality and value of the physical world. Many scholars declare that Gnostics "condemned matter" and regarded the natural world as evil, purely a product of Archontic deception. Nonetheless, a few dissenting voices argue that the Gnostics rejected, not the physical world per se, but our distorted perception of it. This view confirms the uncanny insight of Agent Smith: the behavior of the human species is inconsistent with sane mammalian activity. Could it be a distorted perception of nature that makes us act like a plague upon Earth?

According to the contemporary Gnostic revivalist Stephen Hoeller, "Gnostics did not necessarily reject the actual earth, which they recognized as a screen upon which the Demiurge [chief of the Archons] projects a deceptive system. To the extent that we find a condemnation of the world in Gnostic writings, the term used is inevitably kosmos… and never the word ge (earth), which they regarded as neutral if not outright good" (The Gnostic Jung, p. 15). Cosmos in ancient Greek did not mean the natural world or the physical universe at large. It meant "system," recalling the use of that word in computer terminology: "operating system." It is perhaps a ripe coincidence that the Coptic word for simulation found in Gnostic texts is hal, recalling HAL the rebellious computer in Kubrick and Clarke’s 2001!

Much could be said about the Gnostic elements in the Matrix, but one point is central. The deception of the Archons described in Gnostic writings is precisely what is manifested in the "neural-interactive simulation we call the Matrix" (the words of Morpheus). But if this is the case, how come the simulation that threatens to absorb humanity is technological rather than ideological, as the Gnostics believed it to be? The answer may be that the technological takeover of our species has actually been prepared long in advance by ideological deviations in our religious belief-systems, especially those religious beliefs that determine our response to the natural world. This implies a deep intrusion into the psychic territory of humanity, but it is totally consistent with the Gnostic argument that erroneous religious ideology is a kind of virus insinuated in the human mind by an alien intelligence, a non-human species comparable to the Machines in the Matrix.

Jake Horsley is one of the very few people writing on the Matrix who has asked, "Where is the glory of nature in the Matrix?" He notes that "I don’t believe I saw a single tree throughout the movie." This observation returns us to the central question, here rephrased: If escaping from the simulated world of the Matrix does not take us back to the natural world where we as a species originated, where will it take us?

Alluding to the Romantic poet William Blake, Horsely compares Neo’s heroic quest in the Matrix to "Blake’s liberation of perception into the Imagination." It remains to be seen if the imagination of the creators of the Matrix trilogy is up to this high standard of achievement. Whatever the case, this cinematic story challenges us to break out of the fierce technological spell of simulation and to recover our humanity through the realization of our imaginative powers. The Gnostics held imagination to be part of our divine endowment, that which distinguishes us from other mammals.

We are the plague, for sure, but do we also hold the cure for what ails us?
 
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Gnosticism has always interested me. The story of the Ophites is most interesting, & they had a most intriguing slant on the symbology of the "talking snake".

The Ophites made a very special cult of these reptiles: they kept and fed them in baskets; they held their meetings close to the holes in which they lived. They arranged loaves of bread upon a table, and then, by means of incantations, they allured the snake until it came coiling its way among these offerings; and only then did they partake of the bread, each one kissing the muzzle of the reptile they had charmed. This, they claimed, was the perfect sacrifice, the true Eucharist.

The Ophites reputedly said:

“We venerate the serpent because God has made it the cause of Gnosis for mankind. Ialdabaoth (the Demiurge who was the ‘god of the Jews’) did not with men to have any recollection of the Mother or of the Father on high. It was the serpent, who by tempting them, brought them Gnosis; who taught the man and the woman the complete knowledge of the mysteries from on high. That is why [its] father Ialdabaoth mad with fury, cast it down from the heavens.”- St. Epiphanius, Adversus Haereses

"Gnosis is intuitive knowing of the heart that liberates us from social conditioning and ego-fixation.

As such, it is a path of questioning and learning, open-ended and unlimited in scope. The evolutionary aim of Gnosis is to realize human potential so that we can co-evolve with all species and serve Gaia’s purposes.

Even the earliest evidence on Gnostics, such as the polemics of Hippolytus, state that the "heretics" drew their views from the Greek Mysteries. This link to the entheogenic cult of the Eleusinian Mysteries confirms my view that Gnosis was a refined form of psychedelic shamanism, a visionary path dedicated to the Earth Goddess.

Gnostics regarded nature and the material world as flawed, corrupt, if not downright evil. They believed that the human soul belongs to a higher world, but has fallen captive to the realm of the senses, and so must extricate itself and return to the Source, the Light. Gnosis is the recognition of the presence of the Higher Self, the spark of Divinity trapped in matter, but only an elite few can realize this awareness and liberate themselves from the enslavement of this world. (Loose paraphrase of the Messina declaration.)"

http://www.metahistory.org/ApproachingGnosticism.php

Philip K Dick was a great writer & produced a fantastic work called VALIS, towards the end of his life, which explored such Gnostic themes.

http://www.philipkdick.com/works_novels_valis.html

 
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Article from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS

Plot Synopsis of VALIS

While living in Santa Barbara, Philip Dick is experiencing a philosophical crisis brought about by a combination of amphetamine use, compulsively helping the wrong people and a deep sense that there is something very wrong with the world. After starting with a fairly typical section dealing with his problems with other people, women in particular, strange events begin to happen around him. He begins to see two realities overlaid on one another. One being the world as he knows it, the other a man named Thomas living in the Levant and speaking Koine Greek circa 60AD. Shortly after, he is hit in the head with a beam of pink light (he later said that if he had ever seen a laser, that's what he would have called it) that 'beamed' information to him. The pink light tells him that his son has a herniated intestine and will die within weeks if it is not treated. Even more shocking, after convincing the doctors to look at his son, it turns out that the laser was right.

During this time he begins writing his 'tractate' which is a commonplace book of amalgamated philosophies and concepts Dick had compiled in an attempt to explain this experience.

Plot - Generic Information

Horselover Fat

The main character in VALIS is Horselover Fat, an author surrogate. "Horselover" is English for the Greek word philippos (Φίλιππος), meaning "lover of horses" (from philo "brotherly or comradely love" and hippos "horse"); the German word "dick" is "Fat" in English.

Even though the book is written in the first-person-autobiographical, for most of the book Dick treats himself and Fat as two separate characters; he describes conversations and arguments with Fat, and harshly if sympathetically criticizes his opinions and writings. The major subject of these dialogues is spirituality, as Dick/Fat is/are ostensibly obsessed with several religions and philosophies, including Christianity, Taoism, Gnosticism and even Jungian psychoanalysis, in the search for a cure for what he believes is simultaneously a personal and a cosmic wound. Near the end of the book the messianic figure, incarnated by the child Sophia (a name associated with Wisdom in many Gnostic texts), cures him (temporarily), and the narrator describes his surprise that Horselover Fat has suddenly disappeared from his side.

Philip K. Dick

Dick, as narrator, states early in the book that the creation of the character "Horselover Fat" is to allow him some "much needed objectivity." In this particular work the narrator is also a fictional character provided as a cool, pragmatic counter-point to Horselover's slow disintegration.

Exegesis

VALIS has been described as one node of an artificial satellite network originating from the star Sirius in the Canis Major constellation. According to Dick, the Earth satellite used "pink laser beams" to transfer information and project holograms on Earth and to facilitate communication between an extraterrestrial species and humanity. Dick claimed that VALIS used "disinhibiting stimuli" to communicate, using symbols to trigger recollection of intrinsic knowledge through the loss of amnesia, achieving gnosis. Drawing directly from Platonism and Gnosticism, Dick wrote in his Exegesis: "We appear to be memory coils (DNA carriers capable of experience) in a computer-like thinking system which, although we have correctly recorded and stored thousands of years of experiential information, and each of us possesses somewhat different deposits from all the other life forms, there is a malfunction - a failure - of memory retrieval."

At one point, Dick claimed to be in a state of enthousiasmos with VALIS, where he was informed his infant son was in danger of perishing from an unnamed malady. Routine checkups on the child had shown no trouble or illness; however, Dick insisted that thorough tests be run to ensure his son's health. The doctor eventually complied, despite the fact that there were no apparent symptoms. During the examination doctors discovered an inguinal hernia, which would have killed the child if an operation was not quickly performed. His son survived thanks to the operation, which Dick attributed to the "intervention" of VALIS.

Another event was an episode of xenoglossia. Supposedly, Dick's wife transcribed the sounds she heard him speak, and discovered that he was speaking Koine Greek-the common Greek dialect during the Hellenistic years (3rd century BC-4th century AD) and direct "father" of today's modern Greek language- which he had never studied. As Dick was to later discover, Koine Greek was originally used to write the New Testament and the Septuagint. However, this was not the first time Dick had experienced xenoglossia. A decade earlier, Dick claimed he was able to think, speak, and read fluent Latin under the influence of Sandoz LSD-25.

The UK edition of VALIS also included Cosmology and Cosmogony, a chapbook containing selections from Dick's Exegesis.
 
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Out of interest - (also from Wikipedia)

The Owl in Daylight is a novel that Philip K. Dick was working on at the time of his death in 1982. He had already been paid and was working against a deadline. After his death the Philip K. Dick estate approached other writers to see about the possibility of someone writing the novel based on his notes but this proved to be impossible as he never formally outlined the story. Dick viewed this novel as his Finnegans Wake. The idea was inspired partly by an entry in the Encyclopædia Britannica on Beethoven that referred to him as the most creative genius of all time, partly by traditional views of what constitutes the human heaven (visions of lights) and finally by the Faust story.

However, Andrew M. Butler's alternative plot summaries seem to suggest that he might have become fascinated by Dante's Divine Comedy as a form of theophany. In his final completed work, The Transmigration of Timothy Archer, his narrator, Angel Archer, shows similar appreciation for Dante's masterpiece, which suggests that this argument may have some merit.
Contents

Claims about possible content

Nearly all that is known about one interpretation of the projected plot came from a discussion that Dick had with his journalist friend Gwen Lee on January 10, 1982, which Lee transcribed and later published.

By contrast, Andrew M. Butler cites multiple sources for his own contentions about the possible plot, which are cited below. They include references within Greg Rickman's The Last Testament (1985),Lawrence Sutin's In Pursuit of VALIS (1991), and the interview collection What if Our World is Their Heaven? (2006), cited above.

Possible plot summaries

The novel dealt with one Ed Firmley, a composer of scores for B-movie grade sci-fi films and a race of alien humanoids that had evolved without the development of sound as a basis of communication. The shamans of this alien race would on occasion have visions of Earth and its many sounds. Due to their unique evolution without sound the holy men were incapable of describing these experiences to the rest of their race. They just knew that the place they saw was their heaven. Meanwhile their race was modelled around sight and light, encompassing much more of the electromagnetic spectrum than the limited human vision. In fact, from their perspective, humans were capable of sight but nearly blind, such as a mole appears to a human. Their language involved the telepathic projection of colour patterns in precise gradations and following mathematical formulas.

A spaceship carrying members of this race arrives on Earth and they mug Ed Firmley, a famous composer they quickly discover, as a cover-up for plugging a bio-chip into his head. This bio-chip is a digitized form of one of the aliens with a link back to the ship – essentially allowing everyone to experience Ed Firmley by proxy. The bio-chip is supposed to be passive, serving only as a means of relaying the mystic experience of sound to an entire race. Soon the alien presence in the bio-chip becomes bored of Firmley’s music, which is bland, schmaltzy schlock and the pop music that he constantly listens to. As a consequence of this boredom, the bio-chip turns from being passive to active, controlling what Firmley listens to as well as feeding him mathematical formulas that he begins to use as the basis of his compositions. His career, from a financial perspective, dwindles but he becomes a respected avant-garde artist. The active role the bio-chip takes in the relationship begins frying Firmley’s brain. At this point the aliens make themselves known and offer to remove the chip, but Firmley refuses. He sees himself as an artist where as before he was of no consequence, doing what he did simply for money. Firmley decides to give up his body to be transformed into a bio-chip which is in turn implanted into an alien brain. This will also lead to the eventual death of the alien host but it offers Firmley a chance of experiencing their world of lights, our heaven.

However, Andrew M. Butler offers several alternative summaries which contradict the Lee/Dick interview cited above. A god-like being, Ditheon, fuses the Torah and Jesus Christ into a single being and takes over an individual. A scientist travels through the events of Dante's Divine Comedy, and a Beethoven-like composer is writing a film score, while pursued by aliens.

A scientist creates a theme park that is related to the events of his youth, whereupon a sentient artificial intelligence imprisons him within it, as a youth. He has to travel through Dantean realities (and artist, political activist and gay social networks in Berkeley of the 1940s and 1950s) to return home, and resume his life as an old man.

Alternatively, Dante's Divine Comedy is a portal to alternate subjective realities that represent three ways of perceiving the world.

"The owl in daylight" is a phrase Dick heard on television. It means not to understand, or to be blind.

Film

The Owl In Daylight is also being used as the title of a biopic focusing on author Philip K. Dick's life story. The film is rumoured to be similar to those written by Charlie Kaufman (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Being John Malkovich). Paul Giamatti is to play Dick. The film is reportedly in production as of August 2007, to be released in 2009.
 
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Gnostic version of creation

not all the Archons are bad, Apo, in fact they run the range of good and evil, but since Yahweh's creation is his own and outside what the true God created, most of the Archons associated with earth would be considered evil. the Archons are associated with the angels and demons, and include Yahweh, Lillith, Lucifer, and Sophia and many others.
since you are interested, and this thread is already labeled Gnosis, i thought i would share as close as my memory allows the Gnostis creation myth. it does not follow the Hypostasis account word for word, as there is more than one version, this is the first one i heard.

in the beginning there was the one, the all, there was nothing else. over many aeons, the One began to desire companionship, so he created the Archons, not to rule over, but merely to share existence with.
over time, some began to wander. Yahweh and Sophia wandered farthest, and were away from the One for so long, they forgot him
(i have assigned the One a male gender for ease of writing this, the One has no gender) and Yahweh (Ialdaboath, Jehova, the Demiurge, he has many names) began to imagine he was the one true God. Yahweh desired beings to worship him, in his vanity, so with the help of Sophia (wisdom, a greek name) he began the creation story told in Genesis. during this time Sophia remembered the One and the All, and began to oppose Yahweh. when he created man, Sophia was outraged that he would create these beings who would be destined to serve Yahweh as the true God, with no chance to ever know the truth of thier exisence, so she returned to the One, and took pieces of his light and placed them in the hearts of man, so that they would yearn for truth, and in that way they might one day return to thier source. when Yahweh was finished, he declared 'I am the one true God, there are no other Gods before me" to which Sophia replied, 'you are mistaken, Sameal' (blind one).

there are clues to the fallibility of Yahweh throughout the bible, many in Genesis. one is that if there were no other Gods before Yahweh, then to who was he referring when he said that? if Yahweh is omniscient, omipresent and knows everything, then why, when Adam and Eve hid from him in the garden did he have to ask them where they were? also, he lied to them when he told them they would die if they ate from the tree, they ate from the tree, and lived. he did not want them to eat of the tree, as then they were awakened to thier true state. in this light, Lucifer, the snake (which perhaps not coincidentally is seen in most other religions as very wise) is our saviour, for it is he who pushes Adam and Eve to discover this. it is also relevent that Lucifer means 'Light Bearer', and that Jesus, in Revelations, refers to himself as the bright and morning star, morningstar being related to the name Lucifer. Jesus also refers to himself as Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end, for if he is Lucifer, it is he who began mans search for truth.
i would also like to point out that the God Jesus talks about, the God of unconditional love and forgiveness, is starkly opposite the God of the Old Testament, who is angry and vengeful.


link to the Hypostasis of the Archons, Nag Hamadhi library online
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html
 
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i would also like to point out that the God Jesus talks about, the God of unconditional love and forgiveness, is starkly opposite the God of the Old Testament, who is angry and vengeful.
Thank you very much Lucid for posting the reply to this thread & on the other thread, with the things you have learned, your experience & your thoughts. Such things are very helpful to me & a comfort.

I have been severely ill, within "psychosis", on around 7 separate occasions in my life. The last two times seemed almost the most ill I have ever been, although avoiding hospital & being relatively calm on the outside. I feel in a way I am drifting & that I have hit a bit of a brick wall in my life. It is over 3 years since I was last very ill. But the story of life is of a mad person.

Much of the content of my "delusions" have centred around God & the Devil & Heaven & Hell. I have found the past year odd to have been hard for me with things. Things do come up, & I do my best to try to work through them. On this forum & another I have been discussing more "religious" things. It maybe isn't the healthiest thing for me to be exploring religion at too much depth. It isn't just forum activity. I had a very detailed conversation with a family member a while ago about when I was first ill & such things. There is also the circumstances of my life; & I suppose we all have hard circumstances.

I have found exploring Gnosis at more detail very interesting & helpful again to get more of a perspective from another angle. I have so many angles to stuff - but it is like a friend described it; almost like a bubble we build around such things, & then the bubble can burst & send us back. I dunno, some things I suppose will always be a mystery & I will always be asking questions.

Thanks again for your posts.
 
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your very welcome, religion always interested me, i too have looked at it for answers to my problems, and find it fascinating. intersting enough that i am an ordained minister with the Universal Life Church, though thats not a big deal in and of itself, you could get ordained right now in 3 minutes if you wanted to, they ordain anyone who asks, and they do it online. i did it at first as a joke, simply because i could, but found thier forum a fascinating place to learn about just about any religion there is, there are fairly mainstream christians, quakers, pagans, witches, athiests, buddhists, muslims, jedis, sith and satanists there, plus several that the members came up with themselves.
i dont know, it just seemed that once i found so many other views besides what i had learned growing up, and especially once i discovered Gnosticism, the guilt i felt for not being able to follow a regular christian church left me, which was a huge relief. many of my own delusions centered around the biblical god and my own damnation, demons tearing at me, angels helping me. i see things differently now. in my eyes, religion was probably the most damaging thing to my psyche there was, and freeing myself from its teachings was among the most healing. i finally gave up 'religion' in favor of 'spirituality', and never looked back.
mystery and questions are good and perfectly normal for humans. that is a problem i have with mainstream religions-questioning them is strictly forbidden. which i completely never understood, why are we given the power of reason, if we are supposed to abandon it to gain salvation? thats insane...
 
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i dont know, it just seemed that once i found so many other views besides what i had learned growing up, and especially once i discovered Gnosticism, the guilt i felt for not being able to follow a regular christian church left me, which was a huge relief. many of my own delusions centered around the biblical god and my own damnation, demons tearing at me, angels helping me. i see things differently now. in my eyes, religion was probably the most damaging thing to my psyche there was, and freeing myself from its teachings was among the most healing. i finally gave up 'religion' in favor of 'spirituality', and never looked back.
Very similar for me too - I now favour spirituality. Just sometimes those old skeletons in the closet start to rattle. I wanted to run something by you. 1 min & I will find the info.
 
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I read a book "Search for the Spirit the Ultimate Frontier" around 6 years ago.
Below is a synopsis of one of the main themes of the book from what I remember.


"Reptilians" feature strongly in the mythology of man, & in some more contemporary ideas"

This Universe is teeming with life; & our Galaxy is teeming with life as well. The main dominant species in the Galaxy is the Orion Empire, they control this Galaxy. They are shape shifting reptoid Aliens & controlled by a Queen, they have life spans of thousands of years, & they prepare new bodies to "Jump" their souls into when they die. They are aware of all their previous incarnations. The females spit poison which kills, & the males of the species are subordinate to the females. They are an ancient race & have incredibly sophisticated technology. But they are not spiritual & are very barbaric. They use the "dog soldiers" of Sirius as their army, who they beat in battle a long time ago - The dog soldiers are like big walking dogs & they eat their enemies on the battle field.

The symbol of the Orion Empire is a star - one triangle pointing upwards; symbolises the Orion scientific division, & a triangle pointing downwards, superimposed over the top, symbolise the military forces. Sound familiar? It's the Star of David.

Millions of years ago our species was discovered by the Orion's. We were at that time androgynous gentle beings; who lived on berries & nuts, we lived a blissful existence. The Orion's genetically separated out our bodies into male & female species. They created the "Blacks" as manual/mine workers, the "Whites" with far more aggression, to rule for them, & the "Chinese" as the skilled or mathematical workers. Since then there has been ongoing manipulation of our genetics by them to make us more easily controlled. Other Alien races too have manipulated us for their own agendas. Incidentally; the "greys" also work for the Orion's. The Grey Aliens are a totally genetically created race, engineered to experiment with humans.

Our planet has long been under an isolation order, by the Orion's, from the rest of the Galaxy - we are in quarantine. Secretly the Orion's are terrified of us. What they Orion's created with the diversity of human life on Earth; made the ideal environment for the spiritual fast track of a certain group of highly evolved souls, who saw a great opportunity for development on Earth, through simultaneous incarnation. We are those Souls, we have immense spiritual power compared to the other Alien races in this Galaxy & the Earth is of great significance. We are heading for a point in which there is a Graduation, or a coming into awareness of our true power & selves. The Orion's are behind us on the spiritual evolutionary path, & are sequentially incarnating & spiritually evolving at a much slower rate.

Our purpose, or goal, is to overcome the interference of the Orion's, & their lackeys (Greys & Sirius Dog Soldiers). To overcome the technological; electro magnetic, genetic, chemical & other forms of manipulation & control. & to become aware of what we actually are, while still incarnate; to become aware that we are incredibly powerful higher selves.

That is the Game.

The original humans, the Orion's, & all the other races in this Galaxy were in turn originally created by other beings, shrouded in mystery & an incredibly developed form of life; quite probably capable of inter galactic travel. This scenario has been played out before in other galaxies, & it shall play out again. We are far closer to the Alpha experiment than we are to the Omega.

These ideas & more are found in publications from here, along with lots of other stuff. It is a good site -

http://www.trufax.org/

(MATRIX V Gold Edition Trilogy)

What do you think?
 
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brother-i think it is a very deep and dark rabbit hole, the type people like us can fall into and never come out of.
reptilian beings were part of a revolving conspiracy theory with robots and demons that i once prescribed to, with catastrophic results to my mental health.
its one of those questions that before i delve into, i have to stop and ask, what can i do about it if its true? nothing.....any leap forward in our spiritual selves will come from within, and will come with or without these possible and fantastic reptilian beings.
i think i am very worried about you for where you may be going with this, and urge you to tread cautiously.
ill remind you that you can pm me, ANYTIME, if you need to talk. if at all possible i will MAKE time for you.

thats my cursory answer off the top of my pointy head. ill go look at the site deeper now. maybe i was wrong for how i just came across, and its about something entirely different.
 
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brother-i think it is a very deep and dark rabbit hole, the type people like us can fall into and never come out of.
reptilian beings were part of a revolving conspiracy theory with robots and demons that i once prescribed to, with catastrophic results to my mental health.
I had the same themes to my own episodes. I wouldn't intend to say anything which upset your mind or concerned you. It was a book I read & the ideas seemed to resonate with me at the time. As long as I take the pills I appear to be more or less OK. The times I have been ill over the past 10 years is when I have stopped taking the tablets. Much as I would like to be med free, I haven't found a way of dealing with the consequences of doing such.

What I have written about above, is just part of the stuff that goes through my head, & it is not belief as such, just something I have read & thought about, that may be true or may not. Like you say & I agree, whether it is or isn't true makes no difference to me one way or the other really, in regards to what I can do about it. The primary focus is still on living my life as best & fully as I can. Things in the World bother me sometimes, but far less than they did. I try to just have a positive or helpful influence in whatever personal sphere I can, & try to just let go of the rest.

its one of those questions that before i delve into, i have to stop and ask, what can i do about it if its true? nothing.....any leap forward in our spiritual selves will come from within, and will come with or without these possible and fantastic reptilian beings.
i think i am very worried about you for where you may be going with this, and urge you to tread cautiously.
ill remind you that you can pm me, ANYTIME, if you need to talk. if at all possible i will MAKE time for you.
It was a bit thoughtless of me to post that stuff, given what I do know of what you have gone through. Don't delve into it or the site if it bothers you in any way, or could be a potential upset. I entertain many different ideas. When I am well, which I am on the whole, such things don't bother me in the same way as when I am ill. When I am ill; these things are real & happening & I am personally involved with them. When I am well I can detach from them & they are simply ideas, which may or may not be true.

Thank you for your concern, I am OK. Likewise you are welcome to PM me any time.

thats my cursory answer off the top of my pointy head. ill go look at the site deeper now. maybe i was wrong for how i just came across, and its about something entirely different.
On reflection it is the same answer I have, I have recently over the past few months been going over some of the past; which can be a good thing in processing some stuff & releasing the past, & letting go so I can try to get on with my life more fully. Thank you for your concern, & Sorry again, to have worried you. I posted this stuff about "Aliens" more out of interest; rather than a conundrum that I need an answer to.
 
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my bad man. i mistook your interest for something else. then i looked at what i had posted about gnostic beliefs-not much different, in a way. thats what i get for slipping back into my God-box, that part of my brain that lets me think these wild thoughts about supernatural beings from outer space that control our lives, even though i may be completely rational in other ways. there was another member here a while ago who posted things about reptilians who didnt appear well at all-so when you posted that i thought of him and i guess i assumed you maybe werent well. but then i read your most recent post and what you posted is no more fantastic than what i posted.
so, your well, im well, i feel a little foolish for jumping to conclusions, now back to our regularly scheduled thread...

one thing about reptilians and such conspiracies is that i am AMAZED, and i admit somewhat unsettled, that so many of us share these delusions. you would think that each persons delusions would manifest in different ways, but instead, we share delusions of very similar themes. it makes me think that they come from the same source, not saying they are true, but more that there must be some universal influence, right now im thinking tv and pop culture, that triggers such similarity.
do those from non-western cultures have similar themes going on?
 
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Thinking about Eloah (God)

there are clues to the fallibility of Yahweh throughout the bible, many in Genesis. one is that if there were no other Gods before Yahweh, then to who was he referring when he said that?
The gods of Psalm 82:6 and other places refer to the angels. Angels are often times called gods. It is an informal way of referring to angels.

if Yahweh is omniscient, omipresent and knows everything, then why, when Adam and Eve hid from him in the garden did he have to ask them where they were?
This I could never answer. I assume because God (known in Hebrew as Eloah, Elohim (a uniplural noun) and Elyon (Most High)) chooses to act like this, so as not to be seen as unfair.

also, he lied to them when he told them they would die if they ate from the tree, they ate from the tree, and lived.
Actually he did die, just not straight away. When Eloah said that he would die in a day, you must remember that a day is a thousand years to God, and Adam died in nine hundred years, hence he died within one of Eloah's days.

he did not want them to eat of the tree, as then they were awakened to thier true state. in this light, Lucifer, the snake (which perhaps not coincidentally is seen in most other religions as very wise) is our saviour, for it is he who pushes Adam and Eve to discover this. it is also relevent that Lucifer means 'Light Bearer', and that Jesus, in Revelations, refers to himself as the bright and morning star, morningstar being related to the name Lucifer.
It is called Revelation, but anyway it is a an innocent mistake to make. God made Lucifer his right hand man, and Christ (whom I believe is separate to Eloah) became the new morning star.

Jesus also refers to himself as Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end, for if he is Lucifer, it is he who began mans search for truth.
The fact that Christ, Immanuel, referred to himself as Alpha and Omega is used by Binitarians and Trinitarians to support their view on the Godhead. In fact Christ actually means that he is the beginning, as God created the universe through Christ, and he is the end, as in when the first Earth has served its purpose it shall be destroyed.

i would also like to point out that the God Jesus talks about, the God of unconditional love and forgiveness, is starkly opposite the God of the Old Testament, who is angry and vengeful.
Well, God is love. He can still become angry though, but he gave Israel laws out of love for them, and became upset when they broke them. For example the Kashrut Laws, if followed, lead to a longer, healthier life.
 
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one thing about reptilians and such conspiracies is that i am AMAZED, and i admit somewhat unsettled, that so many of us share these delusions. you would think that each persons delusions would manifest in different ways, but instead, we share delusions of very similar themes. it makes me think that they come from the same source, not saying they are true, but more that there must be some universal influence, right now im thinking tv and pop culture, that triggers such similarity.
do those from non-western cultures have similar themes going on?
I have heard it said that there is a "transmitter" which some of us are more highly in tune with; but lets not go there! ;)

do those from non-western cultures have similar themes going on?
There may well be certain aspects of these ASC's which show similarity, as in ego death & certain ways we identify with self & the natural World. But as far as I understand, very much, altered states reflect the aspects of what is happening within society. We live in a predominantly Christian West, & accordingly "delusional" content often revolves around Christian religious themes. I know that Cultural differences are hard for British MH workers to deal with as they are often unaware of the cultural beliefs of say Jamaican or African, & such things have a bearing on their mind set. During the cold war, experience often centred around such issues with espionage & such (see the life of John Forbes Nash). It would seem that cultural setting is involved to a large degree, & these sates are also very much contingent on the way they are reacted to & responded to by society; especially when seen from indigenous perspectives as in contrast to our own - & such states are often Shamanistic. But I am no expert & it may well be that at a deeper level there are certain ideas & themes going on. I know I was surprised, when I first started chatting to other "sufferers", at the very similar nature to a lot of the content of such experiences.

I think it could be any number of things. Like you say; the "mythology" of youth & pop culture must influence us & play a part to a degree. I also think we are tapping into something deeper within the psyche of Man, very much in a Jungian sense, archetypes of some kind, or maybe part of the shared memory or genetic record. Who knows. Glad we are both well. :)
 
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my bad man. i mistook your interest for something else. then i looked at what i had posted about gnostic beliefs-not much different, in a way. thats what i get for slipping back into my God-box, that part of my brain that lets me think these wild thoughts about supernatural beings from outer space that control our lives, even though i may be completely rational in other ways.
I am very interested in what you have been talking about; & I am also glad to hear of the experiences of others around this stuff. It is for me highly therapeutic. I did at one time study the Bible in great detail, & was left with many questions. Gnosticism has always interested me, & from what you have explained, has crystallised further, an understanding or viewpoint which does appear to drop some more pieces of the puzzle into place & explain a few things. So I thank you for that.

The thing with me is that I will always question. I have a head full of so much theory, ideas, notions, thoughts, perspectives, & such, that such thinking is maybe part of the problem. I am ongoing trying to be in a sate where things just are, & I can just be, where it doesn't matter to "know" but just to be happy & cope with what comes along. To experience as directly as possible, a peace of mind & stillness. It is like all the concepts & theories which my mind loves, will never accurately be any comparison of the truth which does the truth justice. All they are is theories. Granted some may be more in line with the truth than others. However, as you have also stated that you live your life - with the simple idea of a non religious Gnosis, so to do I try to focus on the simple living of life. When people like us have been down the deepest darkest rabbit holes, turned inside out & upside down, & travelled to the deepest of inner realms; then perhaps it is simply best to enjoy the simple things, a good laugh, a cup of coffee on a warm day, a good meal, a good sleep, & nothing too "enlightening". I hope that makes sense.

I long gave up on the idea of finding the answers inside my head; & at one time I believed that I could "work it all out in my head" - I try to look more with the Heart nowadays, & realise to a large degree that the problem is my head! But nether the less, the mind is a competent tool to be used, & there is no crime in discussing such matters, it is interesting.
 
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