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Forced “Treatment” is Torture

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Well thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm sure I will be fine and I'm probably not even going to tell mental health services I'm coming off the medication. I only see them once again. I know I won't harm anybody else or disturb the neighbours, I think I know myself well enough for that. With all due respect you are being presumptive.
 

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Well thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm sure I will be fine and I'm probably not even going to tell mental health services I'm coming off the medication. I only see them once again. I know I won't harm anybody else or disturb the neighbours, I think I know myself well enough for that. With all due respect you are being presumptive.
You may be fine & i hope that you are. Is the underlying condition more resolved? If you go into the same (or worse) state of mind that you were in before when you stopped the medication, then how are you going to deal with it all without recourse to mental health services? From myself it's more of a concern for your wellbeing & safety. i can't properly describe the severity of the episode after the last time i stopped the medication. i'd far rather take the pills the rest of life than go through anything like that again.
 
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I have a back log of meds and I am going to try healthier alternatives. Anything is preferable to hospital. But even when I was ill I wasn't violent or annoying the neighbours.
 

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I have a back log of meds and I am going to try healthier alternatives. Anything is preferable to hospital. But even when I was ill I wasn't violent or annoying the neighbours.
i caused zero trouble to anyone during the last 3 major psychotic episodes, other than causing a lot of concern, especially to family for my well being/safety. i don't think the main problem would be your behaviour, it's the potential to go into severe psychosis, & how that can be dealt with/managed, & your ability to function through it all. & if it all resolves, in cases it doesn't. It's your vulnerability that i think would be the primary concern.

i've tried everything that i've been able to, especially over the past 15 years. Nutrition, healers, sobriety, all sorts.

We need proper help/support with it all imo.

i'm Not trying to put you off, am just very aware of what it has been like for me in the past with it all. Despite all my criticism of the system, & wanting things to be far better, especially with far more proper psychological/social support, i am also very aware of the realities of being in florid psychosis - there were 7 major episodes, over 14 years, 8 years of which were unmedicated. It was a hell of a journey. In cases, even if there was an ideal system, i'd still see a place for a wise use of medication. Debates about mental health aside, we do have serious difficulties in one way & another, & if the medication helps then so what. Some people resolve it, i have noted, with careful study, that in my observation a lot of the people that are successful, their history hasn't been as severe, & they usually get a lot of support.

It's your life to do as you wish, just saying to carefully consider it all. There are also a lot of complexities to the medication issue. A certain percentage of people will go into severe withdrawal psychosis whatever they try/do, regardless, as a direct result of the effect of the drug withdrawal. i don't see what anyone can do about that? There is evidence in the literature that it can be a permanent psychosis. Once on these drugs for some people it's impossible to get off them. i'm Not saying that to be negative, just to be aware of the realities of it all. It is a potentially very dangerous area.

In a more ideal world there would be comprehensive alternatives from day one & these drugs used to a very bare minimum, ideally short term, as a last resort, & people would have proper understanding, help & support. But that isn't the current reality/case, & it won't change in our lifetimes.
 

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"The chemical action of various dosages is different; & 'increased/decreased' dose isn't simply a case of 'increased/decreased' effect - the chemical actions of these drugs can be very very different at different levels - & 'more' is certainly not always 'better' or more effective. In fact - these class of drugs can be far more effective at minimum dose.

Psychiatric Drugs - especially the neuroleptics cause significant brain chemistry & structural changes; (in use & withdrawal) - & these effects can vary greatly with many variables & factors - all people are individual; & drug effects change with individual physiology & psychology - with each individuals unique personal & environmental make up.

There really isn't any science here - it's Alchemy more than anything. No one really knows exactly what is going on with it all. Some people may be helped more than others - but there are no guarantees.

I do feel that there are many many ways of approaching severely altered/non-ordinary states; & medication is but one tool of many. It's a shame that medication is about the only approach that's on offer in the UK. I think that this is a sad & very unsatisfactory state of affairs - But this is the way things are."

About the best article that I've read on the use of psychiatric drugs is this -

From the book 'One in a Hundred' by Aiden Shingler -

"Neuroleptic drugs [also known as anti-psychotics or major-tranquillisers] are powerful & complex substances. There is a vast amount yet to be understood about the intricate interplay & specific interactions of these drugs on the neurological system. I feel, however, that they can fulfil a valuable role in assisting individuals in their quest for balance, but only if there is a balance of interests between those prescribing & those receiving.

It is lamentable that the means & methods by which these drugs are systematically imposed by clinicians gives rise to a profound conflict of interests.

Neuroleptics have the capacity to act upon the human psyche via the realm of alchemy rather than pharmacy.

My understanding is that schizophrenia is a psychic experience that manifests itself as spiritual conflict. The openness & susceptibility to the effects of paranormal stimuli by those undergoing Psyche-sensitivity can be overwhelming: a dam burst causing a flash flood of psychic activity that fills the planes of the mind.

If neuroleptics are administered sensitively, then rather than suffocating psychic activity through chemical saturation, these compounds can function as a filter, & posses the potential to limit the frequency & intensity of paranormal occurrences by reducing the psychic aperture, thus enabling psychic activity to be channelled & assimilated. Used minimally, these drugs can improve the life of the individual rather than impoverish it. All too often major tranquillisers are administered as an overdose that nullifies the neurological system rendering the recipient brain-dead.

The expression less is more springs to mind. Anti-psychic drugs need not be a bitter pill to swallow."
 
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Thanks, I'll be ok. I won't bore people with my possible trials and tribulations though, it's not like anyone cares what goes on in my life and I wouldn't expect them to either.

If you hear about me harming someone in the news or causing a major breach of the peace at least you and Rambo will have been proved right and I will have to shut my mouth in future. That's if I have one of course but as long as no one else is hurt that's what matters.
 
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When I think about it you won't hear about me in the news as you live in a different country and since off meds people who cause trouble for others are so common, it's not news anyway. You'll just have to guess I suppose.
 
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You could always have them shot for daring to question psychiatry. Knowing your own mind is a dangerous thing in itself.

I'm giving up.aripiprazole by choice so I can be first against the wall if you like. Otherwise I will cause havoc in the community and probably end up committing mass murder.

Also it would save the NHS money if we were euthanized. It's not like we're human anyway.
Certainly my boss and family would like me dead but my family can't say why. They have no reason.
 
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there before commmunity treatment orders were a group of people who'd refuse treatment live a life of havoc making neighbours lives a misery before been sectioned then on leaving hospital, having had large anounts spent on them, they'd be housed somewhere else for the process to repeat

What do you suggest is done?
But then that proves that there is no treatment.

Also are you saying locking people in is normal good behaviour? Because I bet that if I treated anyone the way I am treated I would be severely disciplined which I am already. How about if you lock your neighbours up would they find that normal good behaviour and of course you'll be best friends for life eh?
 
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But then that proves that there is no treatment.

Also are you saying locking people in is normal good behaviour? Because I bet that if I treated anyone the way I am treated I would be severely disciplined which I am already. How about if you lock your neighbours up would they find that normal good behaviour and of course you'll be best friends for life eh?
But Rambo's neighbours are human, Lilac. We are not so it's justified to keep us locked up, after all everyone knows we are inherently bad and not worth caring about. And the off meds lot should probably just be shot for the good of the public, we're the worst of all. I expect the Tories have that one in the pipeline. The current welfare plan hasn't killed enough parasites and it would be quicker and more effective. If they want to guarantee a 2020 election win they need to announce it quickly.
 

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Thanks, I'll be ok. I won't bore people with my possible trials and tribulations though, it's not like anyone cares what goes on in my life and I wouldn't expect them to either.
That's your own negativity/stuff. People care.

If you hear about me harming someone in the news or causing a major breach of the peace at least you and Rambo will have been proved right and I will have to shut my mouth in future. That's if I have one of course but as long as no one else is hurt that's what matters.
i haven't said that. i expressed a concern & asked what you'll do if you go into another psychosis?

It's Not my responsibility, nor am i for anyone else here. Stop all the medication immediately if you want to.
 
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As it happens I'm not stopping it immediately, I am reducing slowly, and I know it will only be my fault if it goes wrong, but I'm not going to annoy anyone or harm anyone else, whatever happens, so I'm pretty sure all will be fine.
 

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As it happens I'm not stopping it immediately, I am reducing slowly, and I know it will only be my fault if it goes wrong, but I'm not going to annoy anyone or harm anyone else, whatever happens, so I'm pretty sure all will be fine.
Fair enough & good luck with it all.

Last attempt i did a 2 year very gradual tapered reduction. i went into a near catatonic psychosis.

i was only expressing a concern & practical considerations around it all. i do have experience of it all & have read/researched a lot around it all.

Hopefully you'll be fine.
 
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As it happens I'm not stopping it immediately, I am reducing slowly, and I know it will only be my fault if it goes wrong, but I'm not going to annoy anyone or harm anyone else, whatever happens, so I'm pretty sure all will be fine.
do you expect the majority who come of meds and create problems expect that to happen?

It's a less than ideal world and the solutions usedd by society are less than ideal
 
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