Forced “Treatment” is Torture

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Thanks, I'll be ok. I won't bore people with my possible trials and tribulations though, it's not like anyone cares what goes on in my life and I wouldn't expect them to either.

If you hear about me harming someone in the news or causing a major breach of the peace at least you and Rambo will have been proved right and I will have to shut my mouth in future. That's if I have one of course but as long as no one else is hurt that's what matters.
 
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When I think about it you won't hear about me in the news as you live in a different country and since off meds people who cause trouble for others are so common, it's not news anyway. You'll just have to guess I suppose.
 
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You could always have them shot for daring to question psychiatry. Knowing your own mind is a dangerous thing in itself.

I'm giving up.aripiprazole by choice so I can be first against the wall if you like. Otherwise I will cause havoc in the community and probably end up committing mass murder.

Also it would save the NHS money if we were euthanized. It's not like we're human anyway.
Certainly my boss and family would like me dead but my family can't say why. They have no reason.
 
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there before commmunity treatment orders were a group of people who'd refuse treatment live a life of havoc making neighbours lives a misery before been sectioned then on leaving hospital, having had large anounts spent on them, they'd be housed somewhere else for the process to repeat

What do you suggest is done?
But then that proves that there is no treatment.

Also are you saying locking people in is normal good behaviour? Because I bet that if I treated anyone the way I am treated I would be severely disciplined which I am already. How about if you lock your neighbours up would they find that normal good behaviour and of course you'll be best friends for life eh?
 
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But then that proves that there is no treatment.

Also are you saying locking people in is normal good behaviour? Because I bet that if I treated anyone the way I am treated I would be severely disciplined which I am already. How about if you lock your neighbours up would they find that normal good behaviour and of course you'll be best friends for life eh?
But Rambo's neighbours are human, Lilac. We are not so it's justified to keep us locked up, after all everyone knows we are inherently bad and not worth caring about. And the off meds lot should probably just be shot for the good of the public, we're the worst of all. I expect the Tories have that one in the pipeline. The current welfare plan hasn't killed enough parasites and it would be quicker and more effective. If they want to guarantee a 2020 election win they need to announce it quickly.
 
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Thanks, I'll be ok. I won't bore people with my possible trials and tribulations though, it's not like anyone cares what goes on in my life and I wouldn't expect them to either.
That's your own negativity/stuff. People care.

If you hear about me harming someone in the news or causing a major breach of the peace at least you and Rambo will have been proved right and I will have to shut my mouth in future. That's if I have one of course but as long as no one else is hurt that's what matters.
i haven't said that. i expressed a concern & asked what you'll do if you go into another psychosis?

It's Not my responsibility, nor am i for anyone else here. Stop all the medication immediately if you want to.
 
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As it happens I'm not stopping it immediately, I am reducing slowly, and I know it will only be my fault if it goes wrong, but I'm not going to annoy anyone or harm anyone else, whatever happens, so I'm pretty sure all will be fine.
 
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As it happens I'm not stopping it immediately, I am reducing slowly, and I know it will only be my fault if it goes wrong, but I'm not going to annoy anyone or harm anyone else, whatever happens, so I'm pretty sure all will be fine.
Fair enough & good luck with it all.

Last attempt i did a 2 year very gradual tapered reduction. i went into a near catatonic psychosis.

i was only expressing a concern & practical considerations around it all. i do have experience of it all & have read/researched a lot around it all.

Hopefully you'll be fine.
 
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As it happens I'm not stopping it immediately, I am reducing slowly, and I know it will only be my fault if it goes wrong, but I'm not going to annoy anyone or harm anyone else, whatever happens, so I'm pretty sure all will be fine.
do you expect the majority who come of meds and create problems expect that to happen?

It's a less than ideal world and the solutions usedd by society are less than ideal
 
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Sorry, but you don't know me so don't presume I'm going to annoy or harm other people because I have come off my meds. You could always campaign to have me and others who choose to do so shot, it would save the NHS millions and there would be more available for yourself and others who need it. I suspect the Tories would jump at the opportunity.
 
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Sorry, but you don't know me so don't presume I'm going to annoy or harm other people because I have come off my meds. You could always campaign to have me and others who choose to do so shot, it would save the NHS millions and there would be more available for yourself and others who need it. I suspect the Tories would jump at the opportunity.
You can always debate the issue for 10 years with Rambo, as i have.
 
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I know nothing about it though, and there would be no point. I'll probably be gone in 10 year's time anyway, because of the antidepressant side effects. So a bullet to the head doesn't seem that bad really. It's quick and you wouldn't feel much, but I could have horrible health problems from the drugs. I suppose that's my fault for choosing to be ill.
 
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I know nothing about it though, and there would be no point. I'll probably be gone in 10 year's time anyway, because of the antidepressant side effects. So a bullet to the head doesn't seem that bad really. It's quick and you wouldn't feel much, but I could have horrible health problems from the drugs. I suppose that's my fault for choosing to be ill.
Oh well. Welcome to the Happy Club with it all.
 
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Sorry, but you don't know me so don't presume I'm going to annoy or harm other people because I have come off my meds. You could always campaign to have me and others who choose to do so shot, it would save the NHS millions and there would be more available for yourself and others who need it. I suspect the Tories would jump at the opportunity.
your presuming you won't act in certain ways i'm just saying thats a presumption, my girlfriend when she attacked me, what can i say but as jung says we all have our shadow

i'm not saying it will or won't happen these things are probabilities,
 
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at least we take meds and we're still going
Well if you're lucky I might kill myself and I won't bother any of you again. You can see it as a small victory in your fight to prove that off meds nutjobs are not worth helping, should at least be put in prison and have their stupidity whipped out of them by the guards 10 times a day or more.
 
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at least we take meds and we're still going
Yea, well, all arguments & circumstances considered i have come to a far deeper acceptance of the diagnosis/illness/condition & need for the low dose of medication. i have come to far more of an acceptance of the way this society/culture/system is around it all.

Maybe if there was better understanding, help & support it could have been/could be different? But there isn't that level of help.

On i plod. Has been 17 years since last in hospital. 12 years since the last major psychotic episode. 15 years of sobriety & a very independent & relatively full life. i must be doing something right?

i will continue to speak out on it all & what i see as better/more humane understandings & approaches to madness/mental health - But i can't change anything. My main practice is acceptance/allowance of the World/Humanity as it is, in all it's Glorious & Utter Lunacy.
 
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Well if you're lucky I might kill myself and I won't bother any of you again. You can see it as a small victory in your fight to prove that off meds nutjobs are not worth helping, should at least be put in prison and have their stupidity whipped out of them by the guards 10 times a day or more.
The ideal is med free resolution/healing, & some people do achieve that. Also a lot don't. i think it's often highly individual & complex as to what outcomes/prognosis there is.

Sorry to say but from what i have observed with people that do get successfully med free, there usually wasn't the same severity of original problems & they usually get a lot of support & are in far better circumstances.

i'm only thinking of your quality of life & well being & to carefully consider all the different perspectives & options with it all. At the least i'd suggest working closely with your GP with it all.
 
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