Feeling sick again.and I don't care enough to stop binge eating

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Georgia May

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Hi, I have major binge eating issues and just ate a whole jumbo Swiss roll again, I am an emotional eater and find that comfort eating dulls the pain. How do you begin to control this kind of thing? It just seems to numb the emptiness of everyday life. I think not having anyone to talk to about things doesn't do me any good.. People don't take my issues seriously, which I can understand, but it means I just bottle everything up and it doesn't help. I just wish I knew how to stop eating so much. I don't need to worry about meeting guys, that's in the past, so being fat is in itself not bad other than health issues. It would be nice to be thin but as long as I binge eat I will always be overweight. How do you discipline yourself to stop?
 
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Hi Georgia May,
I understand, I do the same. I have been much more strict with what I eat and when.
I tend to do it at night when I comfort eat. I am on a medication that increases my appetite so it doesn't help.
Many people comfort eat, it's a problem when obesity starts.
Have you tried any therapy that might help and watching what you eat. Not having it in the house helps.
I'm here for you.
Take care
 
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Binge eating can be attributed to many triggers: isolation, boredom, stress, nutritional deficiency, comfort eating to name a few.

I personally eat rubbish when I haven't eaten enough. I can feel myself craving high fat, high sugar foods, so for me the answer is to make sure I eat three healthy meals a day. Exercise helps also, it regulates the blood sugar and just makes us feel better about ourselves.

How about trying walking, maybe you could join a Ramblers Club?

What do you like doing? What are your favourite things?

Hugs xx
 
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Georgia May

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Thank you both. Yeah, not having cake in the house helps. I shouldn't have bought it but I have good days and bad days. I just got too emotional. I am moving house soon hopefully nd might get a dog. I'll probably go to the gym too so hopefully I will get more exercise. If I keep occupied it helps take my mind off things and listening to my favourite music does too. I love singing, just not when I'm down. My motivation isn't great recently, I need to stop buying things obviously and that should help. It's either that or alcohol and it makes me do stupid things so it is better than that. I think it's related to BPD but I don't know to be honest.
 
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Hi Georgia May,

I had anorexia and bulimia for a very long time and I used to binge eat often. Mine was often related to comfort too.

Something I learned came from the study of economics, believe it or not!

Have you heard of the Law Of Diminishing Marginal Utility ?? I'm guessing not lol

Basically it means that something pleasurable soon starts to lose its inherent potential for bringing pleasure. The way I related this to food was to analyse the process of eating. The problem with binge eating in particular is that you tend to do it quickly a lot of the time; that's because on one level you know that you'll either try to stop yourself before you've indulged or you'll feel guilty about it too quickly if you go any slower. Mostly, you tend to binge quickly while deliberately not thinking about the process, and you inevitably feel all the guilt come kicking in soon afterwards.

If you analyse the process whilst you're doing it there's a couple of things that can be really handy over time. The first couple of times are all about learning how to use the technique so don't expect instant results. By the third time however you should be about ready to implement it.

To focus on the swiss roll example you gave. You will have noticed that the first couple of mouthfuls were the most rewarding, most satisfying and most sought after. The ones thereafter were really just a continuation of the same pleasure seeking principle ... you sought the same sensation from the following ones that the first two provided. When you start to analyse the process critically you'll realise that actually the following mouthfuls don't taste anywhere near as good; they aren't as satisfying or rewarding as the first couple are. They are simply a continuation of the same taste but not a continuation of the same pleasure you initially derived. If you analyse that process a couple of times really closely ... really scrutinise what's going on in your head and emotionally while you're doing it ... you'll come to realise that actually a couple of times or a couple of mouthfuls is far more rewarding than a whole Swiss roll.

Now I know I've made that seem really simplistic. I'm not implying that it's that simple. That's just the first step. Once you realise this you start to view your eating differently. If you falter on occasion then don't beat yourself up about it; we all falter on occasion; that's part of being human. Just dust yourself off and try again. Keep analysing the process and you will realise over time that the first two mouthfuls are the most satisfying by far; everything thereafter is duller in comparison. If you analyse this process enough you'll start to eat differently; your binges will become weaknesses. Your weaknesses will become treats. Your treats will become well-timed and well-deserved, but most importantly the portion sizes will become more appropriate and less guilt-inducing.

Hope that helps in some small way. It helped me a lot. The key is to keep at it. You'll get there in the end :hug:
 
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Georgia May

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Thanks, I think that's quite true, the first bites are the sweetest and most fulfilling. It's a bit like any addiction, the first time is the best. If I don't buy the cake it will help anyway. Hopefully when I start being more occupied things won't be as bad. I will try out what you have suggested.
 
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Thanks, I think that's quite true, the first bites are the sweetest and most fulfilling. It's a bit like any addiction, the first time is the best. If I don't buy the cake it will help anyway. Hopefully when I start being more occupied things won't be as bad. I will try out what you have suggested.
Not buying the cake is what we're all striving for haha

I've got a long way to go, trust me :LOL:

Good luck and see you around :)
 
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Thank you both. Yeah, not having cake in the house helps. I shouldn't have bought it but I have good days and bad days. I just got too emotional. I am moving house soon hopefully nd might get a dog. I'll probably go to the gym too so hopefully I will get more exercise. If I keep occupied it helps take my mind off things and listening to my favourite music does too. I love singing, just not when I'm down. My motivation isn't great recently, I need to stop buying things obviously and that should help. It's either that or alcohol and it makes me do stupid things so it is better than that. I think it's related to BPD but I don't know to be honest.
Keeping a dog is a great idea Georgia, you'd need to take it out for walks which would get you out of the house, and caring for another living creature is good for us.

Singing sounds fabulous. Have you considered joining a choir or maybe a gospel singing group? Again, it would get you out of the house and socialising again.

I'm glad you've got plans for the future, it shows you're moving forward with your life.

Best wishes x
 
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Georgia May

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I wouldn't sing in a formal way, I just like singing along to music. I've done karaoke in the past but I don't go out much at all now and certainly never to karaoke pubs. Alcohol would also be required to do it and I don't really drink a lot any more. The dog thing is more likely to be helpful and I might make friends when I walk them. I would definitely go to the gym if I could afford it, I am very unfit and a bit overweight, and exercise is good for your mental health. Ultimately if I have a dog I can get cuddles and love when I need them so I won't need the cake any more. But it would have to be a dog which could stay in the house on their own. If I had two small dogs that might solve the problem but then it would cost more and taking them both out at the same time would be difficult. There is a lot to consider but if I could achieve it I really feel that I could begin to turn my life around.
 
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Try joining a council gym, I don't know how the costs vary area to area but mine is only £16 a month!

If you stop buying the Swiss rolls you can afford the gym instead( that was meant to be helpful, not sarcastic like it maybe came across)

Good luck x
 
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Georgia May

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I know you weren't being sarcastic. The swiss roll was only £1 though. Unhealthy food is always cheaper. I eat fruit and veg and try to have low calorie meals most of the time but I'm not getting any thinner.. :cry2:
 
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I hate fruit and veg and find it difficult to eat healthy so I juice alot! It can be expensive though so I've cut down on the juice and make homemade soup and freeze it!
 
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I (sort of) binge eat and I do it intentionally. But I also undereat as well so I guess I have what you'd call a Mixed Eating Disorder.

Ive recently learnt that the muscles in the throat and larynx are directly tied to the self comfort part of the brain, which is why babies calm down when you give them a dummy or pacifier.

We are no different. The link is still there, its one of the reasons people smoke. Look at them sucking at that cigarette like its the Holy Grail. Actually the sucking is calming (so is nicotine, another story).

Theoretically you should be able to "head off" a binge by doing something that engages the throat larynx and sucking muscles.

Have a cup of tea first. The drinking of it will soothe you. Then drink some water, again, this will soothe.

Buy some lollipops, suck on one of those first before you launch into the binge material.

Keep the binge stuff out of the house. I personally do best if I keep chocolate about, a small amount, I can resist it, but if I don't have any at all in the house I tend to panic.

I will have dark chocolate as I only ever crave chocolate and dark I'm happy with a couple of squares.

Also if you follow the food pyramid (something I'm trying so hard to do) you don't actually have room for bingeing. Youre supposed to eat 5 cups of veg!

So eat the food pyramid before you think about eating something else. Its actually quite hard to do. Ive taken to carrot sticks and hummus, just to try and get the veg intake up.

sometimes I will go to the supermarket, then at the checkout remove all the rubbish ive shoved in there.

theres lots of little tricks.

Exercise of the vigorous variety also kills appetite, when I was a gym junkie I hardly ate at all.
 
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Option A....Appetite suppressants. You would be unable to binge eat under the effects of strong appetite suppressants.

Option B....Relinquish Appetite stimulants.......sugar, gluten, MSG...chemicals and substances that INCREASE appetite(YOU have no mental control over your appetite response). Overeating is the body's natural response to an appetite stimulant.

Option C......Use self control.......delusion........If self control were the issue, you would have solved your own problem long ago. One cannot talk themselves out of binge eating nor can anyone talk themselves slim.

Not everyone is chemically or genetically predisposed to addiction(the lucky ones), so the saying everything in moderation is.....complete bullshit....that's like suggesting that a heroin junkie or a pernicious alcoholic consume moderately....idiocy. Low calorie diets can never work in the long run as long as you're consuming even miniscule amounts of food that increase appetite.

My point in all of this is a clean diet......which consists of unprocessed and non appetite stimulating foods will go the furthest in taming your addiction.

By scapegoating your emotions you're putting the blame squarely on yourself rather than on those manufacturing and marketing this stuff, which is what any dealer or multinational food company would want you to do.

Good Luck
 
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My psych was talking to me yesterday about the Importance of Diet and Water, she is up to nearly 4l per day!!!! which she says is Optimal.

We talked a bit about cortisol and water flushes it out. Cortisol is the stress hormone.

She basically dx me as Magnesium deficient, cortisol burns through magnesium. So if you get stressed, have an Epsom Salt bath or soak your feet in it.

I'm all, seriously? and shes, yep, try it.

Exercise also burns cortisol (which fits in to my exercising lowering appetite experience), so does sunlight, so she said even sitting in the sun will lower your stress.

And journaling.

But anyway I crave chocolate bang on 3pm every day like clockwork and she says, you're nutrient deficient.

So now I'm going to Epsom Salt myself and see if it improves :D
 
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Georgia May

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I got a journal recently and I haven't written anything in it yet. I think if I wrote down how I feel about things and people it would get a lot off my chest and I could still keep it to myself. I see they do journals on here but some things are too personal to share.

I don't really like drinking water but I suppose I could train myself to do so. I have a lot of drinks with artificial sweetener and that isn't good. I don't put the hot water on because it saves on bills so I can't have a bath. My shower is self heating and that's all that I use.

Exercise is something I plan to do when I move. I could join a gym and go there every night depending on price. Either that or get a dog as they would destress me.

I like the idea of blaming food manufacturers for my binge eating but I don't need to buy it. If I can avoid doing that then things will be a lot easier. If I could talk to someone on here when I'm feeling like a binge that could help. I've been quite easily upset of late and that hasn't helped. No one really understands or wants to help or listen to my problems in my own life and bottling things up isn't good because it tends to come out once in a while in an unhealthy way. Some days I feel ok and others despondent. I gave up social media because of a trolling incident which on other days would have been easy to deal with. After it I ate a huge chunk of chocolate fudge cake which then led to self disgust and annoyance that I had ruined my diet. This is why I hope I am not trolled here because I need a safe space to talk about my problems and I don't have that in real life. It doesn't take much nastiness for me to feel unwanted and not welcome. I suppose that is from lack of self esteem. I never really fit in to any community and I am a bit unconventional. Like I said to someone else I think I was born in the wrong time. Or maybe it's the wrong planet lol. Either way I'm completely messed up.
 
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I'm also someone who suffers from binge eating. It's been a part of my life for quite some time, but it's only recently that I've caved and admitted that I have a problem.

Most of my good days have involved exercise so I do highly suggest doing something, even if it's just some light on the spot jogging or something. I find that I have my best days when I exercise before work, makes me feel like I have accomplished something wonderful before my day even begins.

I also know how it feels to have very few people around you who will listen. When I tell people I have this problem, they tend to just laugh it off. Some people have even replied to me with ''we all have days like that'' and dunno how to react when I tell them that not everyone eats a tub of ice cream at 5am. :p
 
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Georgia May

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Yeah people trivialise bingeing but you wonder how many would say they do it because of emotional issues? Not many, but that doesn't help the way overweight people are seen, instead they are seen as lazy. I think boredom plays a factor too with me. So I think keeping busy and maybe going to the gym is a good idea.

It is hard when no one understands. :hug1:
 
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Everyone has different reasons behind the eating problems they face. I actually went through a phase of around 2-3 months last summer where my eating was really good, felt great as well but then I had one bad day and it is now worse than before. It can be tough not to beat yourself up over it, but I believe it is something that is beatable!

I'm grateful not to be overweight but I do fear that as time goes on, it could be an issue I am faced with if I don't somehow get the eating under control. I believe not being overweight is a huge reason as to why people have laughed it off when I told them. The only reason I'm able to stay the way I am is due to having an active job and exercising most days.

It is indeed very hard when nobody understands, but I see it as a battle to be taken each day as it comes.
 
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