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Louise 28

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agree

I agree with Michael.

The jobs I usually get on well in, are those with employers who are willing to do a bit of give and take- when Im well i give them my all, and more- when Im ill, they are as leanient as needs must... it works well for both of us- and I think they get the most out of it- I know Im good for custom too!
So win win all round- and they dont seem fussed about my mental health stuff- they seem to only care if Im not well- and that should be the way with any illness if you ask me- if it isnt a problem to work, great, if it is a problem, then do what you need to do, unitl its fixed!

Give and take, usual good rule for most things in life- I think?
 
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EXACTLY - some bloody common sense! Treating each other with some

mutual respect - its just a pity it seems that this is so rare!!
 
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hey can you guys just confirm Im not hitting on either of you

Hey, can you guys just confirm Im not hitting on either of you- and that we were just talking about being employed even with our respective mh issues is ok, and that its also not a waste of time being someone with a degree and an mh issue- that its not a waste of time, and often life is what you make it- just would help me out if you could settle this for me, up front on the forum- I may be jumping to a conclusion here- but someones got the wrong idea I think, from a totally innocent blog!
 
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Of course you were not hitting on anyone!

We were simply having a useful conversation about work, and the value of having a degree both personally and in career terms!
 
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Sorry don't understand, it is irelevant whether you have a degree or not, if the job requires a degree - it requires a degree - if you can handle the job to the satisfaction of the employer whilst having a form of MH then that is what matters.
If you have a degree, or any education for that matter it can only expand the areas to which you can look for work, but its your ability and application to the job that is the priority.

Employers that are that short sighted that decline prospective employees due to MH problems without at least first doing some form of investigation as to the extent of the problems are not worth the effort as they will probably be bad employers to the rest of the workforce.
(Thinking about that they may be out of line with the discrimination at work act?)

Hitting on me - you having a laugh - in my dreams!!!!!

Michael:D
 
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I think the point about a degree is a bit of a red herring and really we are all saying the same thing!!

The point was we had a problem with the claim made earlier that a degree was 'useless' if you had a MI.... We were just challenging that idea!

Dom
 
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You say my comments about my experience of work are "Unhelpful" well if the purpose of this forum is to follow new labours back to work agenda, i want nothing to do with it, once burnt twice shy.

This work business, deoends on definition of work, someone can say they're working when they're assembleing dolls at the psychiatric rehabilitation association, as i've experienced

My degree hasn't been a total waste of time, i've got computer skills enough to use the net and yes a psychology knowledge comes in useful when i'm in social housing with what would be called problem neighbours
 
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Well without saying too much (chickens prior to hatching etc), it looks as if my degree has just helped me get onto a graduate civil service scheme as a researcher. Now just have to do some tests (and pass!!!) and that's me in my perfect job...

(edited to add, my disability actually secured me an interview under the 'Guaranteed Interview Scheme', i.e. come up to the bar and we promise to consider you)
 
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Sometimes think about work, but with the benefit system muddying the water is dangerous, to be negative, i feel that having tryed in the past has been held against me

I think it was COmunity Care Mag that said what happens to the new deal if theres a change of goverment or a reccession

Your job in the civil service comes with family tax credit, i was told i'd only get disability tax credit at the low rate

Part time on the minimum wage wouldn't pay much, sometimes i wish i knew how much after the clarks had finished their calculations, so i could make a decision

The free time i have to cook cheap meals matters, unless i get enough extra to meet those savings it'd be difficult
 
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Im sorry but how does any of this discussion constitute support of Labours Back to Work agenda? It does not. We were discussing the problems and positive experiences we have faced when making the decision to return to work - that is not the same as discussing the political agenda of attempting to force individuals back to work.

We were simply saying that as individuals with mental illness we have found that the process of eduction both personally and economically beneficial rather than a waste of time!

Hence I have approached education and further education as a beneficial and positive life experience that has, at least for me, been a key part of reaching some stability...
 
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I was told my views on work were "Unhelpful" my view was that they were viewed as unhelpful because of my lack of support for new labours agenda, maybe i'm wrong
 
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The point you expressed Rambo was that a combination of a degree and mental illness was a double negative and Louise found that unhelpful. No mention of new Labour or their policies.

Back to topic - I haven't worked for a living for nearly 7 years but I have worked in a voluntary capacity for both the Police and the Fire Service. I have a lot of support from the Police - if the key people I work with aren't available and I'm fragile they find someone to talk to me. When I am well they encourage my ideas and input and it makes a difference to policing. When it comes to visual auditing I'm considered the civilian expert in the area. No new police officer (whatever the rank) joins the area without coming to see me. I've just liaised with some people and got the Fire Service on board a really big youth project that they would have been left out of otherwise. They all consider a little support when I need it small pay off for what they get out of me - I don't feel that my mental health is a problem for them, it's an obstacle we all get over together.
 
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I do feel certain people are pushing a work agenda, maybe it's me imagining it, some would say i'm pushing an anti work agenda

Can the mentally ill work? the way i was taught to answer questions like that was to discuss the meaning of the word mentally ill and discuss the meaning of work

Not all mental illnessses are the same, theres slight theres severe, theres episodes, not all jobs are the same
 
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You say my comments about my experience of work are "Unhelpful" well if the purpose of this forum is to follow new labours back to work agenda, i want nothing to do with it, once burnt twice shy.

This work business, deoends on definition of work, someone can say they're working when they're assembleing dolls at the psychiatric rehabilitation association, as i've experienced

My degree hasn't been a total waste of time, i've got computer skills enough to use the net and yes a psychology knowledge comes in useful when i'm in social housing with what would be called problem neighbours
No, the extent of negitivity within your posts often comes acrosss as very strong.

I felt the need to point out that there are people with a different oppinion to you- which may be right, may be wrong, but we are all people and this is a discussion.

I am sorry if you dislike the fact that I am trying to be positive about my own situation, but actuall, if you do dislike that tough.

Ive got mental health problems- so what- Ive got them, and may as well do the best to enjoy and lead as good a life as I can despite them.

So sorry for any offence to you- if you dont like responses on a forum full of people who like you have oppinions- maybe then consider the consiquences of taking part yes.

But hurting you was never my intent.

And to Dom Page, thanks for clarifying what we had been discussing on the forum, that has at least settled my mind- thanks.
 
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Louise 28

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Not all mental illnessses are the same, theres slight theres severe, theres episodes, not all jobs are the same[/QUOTE]

Now- theres a point which I actually agree with you on whole heartedly.

Perhaps there are some jobs which would suit some people with mental illnesses, and its partly just a case of knowing about those jobs, and which jobs they could be. And yes, maybe some people are just not well enough to work, but I think that each case is different, and unless you happen to be making big policies about the issues of MH and work.

Maybe its best to judge each person, and their own work and MH situation on an individual basis where possible?
 
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