ESA venting / rant

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yes i do get that point, i am lucky that my daughter who is my carer is fighting my case as in getting the necessary info and typing emails and writing letters on my behalf, signed by me, i have made the dwp and all involved aware of this, your sounding like a dwp spy
 
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LOl- that was funny, yes a bit like catch 22 situation. Thank heavens I have a representative, but, dont know if it was this thread or another one- I'm growing concerning worse? for individuals who cant speak out for themselves.
 
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In catch 22 if your sane enough to want out the war your sane enough to fight as one reviewer put it

If your sane enough to want the benefits your sane enough to do without them as the dwp see it
 
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yeh i do get your point, the thing is, the dwp say want, i say need, need due to my mental health problems, i think the dwp are probable dyslexic then...lol...oh dear i am in danger of rambling now, then the rantings get wild, my daughter is logging me off lol
 
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After all this problems have been resloved for me, I shall (if remember) write a very long letter to the social security or even the prime minister.

I would put forward that ESA should have another phase where individuals that are seeking diagnoses etc should be given the same money as the initial phrase of ESA.

There is logica in my assumption, that if a person who has mental health problems lets say, is waiting therapy or even medical treatment, then that is a need and should count towards getting ESA and not against it.

Then maybe the welfare bill would actuarly help people who have disabilities as well as those who are seeking employment with their disabilties, because after the end of the day everyone is individual and no one person experiences another persons disablities the same way regardless of offical statements.

I do however support the governemnts plans -but not at the expence of the most vunrable in society.

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Just wanted to give my own rant on this subject.

I was taken off Incapacity Benefit a few months ago, and they did the same thing to me, they put down totally different answers to what I told them!!! So I failed the medical.

Since then I've had to claim ESA and am still waiting for the claim to be processed. The next step will be a work capability assessment, which I'm not looking forward to. I've had social anxiety disorder and depression for years and it's very hard to give evidence of this at such assesments. I know of another person who was also taken off Incapacity after they put down different answers to what he told them. It really makes my blood boil, the person I saw rushed through the assessment ridiculously fast.

Oh and as for their incompetence, they sent a letter to my address last week for ANOTHER PERSON, about a crisis loan, with someone elses NI number on.
 
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So I'm kind of screwed. Been to counselling yesterday, we talked a bit about ESA and the Atos medical.
They said as far as from a psychiatrist point of view then the description of "mild depression" is accurate. However (wouldn't you know it) I have an extremely complex situation which doesn't really "fit" into a label as such. They also said they don't like giving people labels, but that is why I am screwed because all the DWP understand is these stupid labels.

They stopped short of saying I have a personality disorder, but that I was sort of similar as my life has been massively influenced by the numerous things that have happened that it has become "me".

It seems like I have half or more of bloody every mental illness going but I'm not quite there to be diagnosed with any of them as such. :eek:

I mean they said that the person I am going on to see from next week has really got their work cut out with me. :rolleyes:

Also said that there's no point in bothering going back to work and that they would really like to see me going into further education when I get better. As they said I come across as very intelligent and would be a waste for me to just go back to work.

Could also see it in her eyes she was almost crying through most of the talk :confused:

Oh and they can't write me a report without a request (not from me) as they aren't allowed to do that sort of thing otherwise. Said GP is the one who can write those, which I just said was really quite stupid as a general doctor versus mental health nurse well... the GP is an amateur in that field really and like I told them I don't even know who my actual GP is and I have never spoken to them ever! (The doctor I have been seeing isn’t my GP as it turns out) :rolleyes:
 
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So I'm kind of screwed. Been to counselling yesterday, we talked a bit about ESA and the Atos medical.
They said as far as from a psychiatrist point of view then the description of "mild depression" is accurate. However (wouldn't you know it) I have an extremely complex situation which doesn't really "fit" into a label as such. They also said they don't like giving people labels, but that is why I am screwed because all the DWP understand is these stupid labels.

They stopped short of saying I have a personality disorder, but that I was sort of similar as my life has been massively influenced by the numerous things that have happened that it has become "me".

It seems like I have half or more of bloody every mental illness going but I'm not quite there to be diagnosed with any of them as such. :eek:

I mean they said that the person I am going on to see from next week has really got their work cut out with me. :rolleyes:

Also said that there's no point in bothering going back to work and that they would really like to see me going into further education when I get better. As they said I come across as very intelligent and would be a waste for me to just go back to work.

Could also see it in her eyes she was almost crying through most of the talk :confused:

Oh and they can't write me a report without a request (not from me) as they aren't allowed to do that sort of thing otherwise. Said GP is the one who can write those, which I just said was really quite stupid as a general doctor versus mental health nurse well... the GP is an amateur in that field really and like I told them I don't even know who my actual GP is and I have never spoken to them ever! (The doctor I have been seeing isn’t my GP as it turns out) :rolleyes:
Ahh no counsellors dont write them sort of reports- have you asked your psychiatrist to write a report- they can do that sort of thing.

Going into education is a lot better than going to work- and actuarly its totally different, in an educational setting you just sit there and submit work when its due, when you work its a different matter.

Personality disorders is just like another label in life, what it means is different things for different people.
 
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I don't have a psychiatrist but apparently the person I see next week is also trained in psychiatry. Just told that we'll see how it goes over the next few weeks and go from there if I need to be refered to someone else.
Been quite a long time just to get to this point so.
 
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I don't have a psychiatrist but apparently the person I see next week is also trained in psychiatry. Just told that we'll see how it goes over the next few weeks and go from there if I need to be refered to someone else.
Been quite a long time just to get to this point so.
Ahhh and now I see where your difficulty and predicument? is. Is the counselling from the nhs? or is it a private organisation. The only reason why I asked this is that if its NHS then there will be referal letters etc and you could use this for your ESA appeal.

Other than that meh, I'm not to sure... How is your welfare benefits meeting going ?
 
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Yeah it's NHS.

I went to meet them a few weeks ago, they wern't interested in listening to any details just getting my letter written and sent. Said wait until you get the tribunial request through before going into details.

They did say they were overwhelmed at the moment, just a small office and they said currently have about 80+ appeals to do with ESA to deal with :rolleyes:
 
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The only reason why I asked this is that if its NHS then there will be referal letters etc and you could use this for your ESA appeal.
erm... yeah... I err kind of have a mountain of letters all over the place so I... kind of thrown the referal letters away :oops:
 
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Well Gray can you not ask your doctor for a spare copy etc...

All I know from my appeal is that when the tribunal write to you- you or your trusted welfare adviser needs to send in all papers to them.

Otherwise when they come to look at your case theres no evidence to argue over if that make sense.
 
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Yeah I have to get a report from my doctor to support my case, shouldn't have any trouble with that seeing as they called Atos a joke. :p
 
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We're worth £80 billion

Hi Gray,
Sorry to hear about your medical report and the trauma this can cause as we go over all our supplied personal information.
I have had two nil point scores (for income support) reversed and waiting the decision on ESA medical of early July.
The first one I appealed which took a year on reduced normal level benefit that almost finished me off so by the time of the hearing, I was so bad it was passed unanimously by the panel of three who supported my then GP's advice to continue with my studies for therapeutic reasons (and I went on to complete a degree). The second I supplied a letter from a senior occupational therapist at the centre where I was doing supervised voluntary work for the nhs and this got the decision 'looked at again' and overturned without the need for appeal. Unfortunately, in 2008 they made an admin error with the dates of a supposed more recent medical which, I could not prove or get them to look into despite answering the reason for non attendance form fully. In July of last year, I was forced on to JSA and by March this year had experienced a serious relapse and am now on ESA as above having spent virtually a year surviving on about £60 a week (when it actually comes through).

I think you are analysing things correctly i.e. the crazy contradictions these reports seem to throw up. Basically most people who apply for a sickness benefit will 'technically' accrue some points, (those incapable of filling it in personally will usually have an benefits advisor, carer who can vouch for the severity), otherwise what would be the point of applying. Therefore, a score of zero points should automatically arouse suspicion.

I have tried to understand this phenomenon as opposed to 2 or 3 points etc and the most rational explanation I can come up with is that they do not even have time to read through the questionnaire and its level of relevance is covered by the findings of the examining 'doctor'. I am also aware of the counting of mental health on these forms deliberately set up to fail people and that mental health seems to be a blind spot to the benefits system that IMO borders on discrimination (that is certainly backed up by the customer service manner of some DWP staff).

Each year the frugal UK government pays atos a market competitive £80 billion a year to help in the administration of 2.6 million people costing the public £12.5 billion in sickness benefits. Unfortunately I only got GCSE grade C mathematics so I am unable to help you with this Gray. All I can do is simplify the available evidence in plain layman's terms: the overall cost of paying out £12.5 billion in sickness benefits is around £100 billion if we include the salaries of regular DWP staff.

Well at least it is comforting to know in these difficult economic times that there are some really clever people looking after the nation's finances isn't it.

Good luck with overturning this decision and getting the support you deserve.

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From playing a game of feigned sanity to get out out of nut houses - to arguing illness - you couldn't make it up.
Not finished reading this thread, but that is one of the most succinct and highly humourous statements I've read in ages!!! :cool:
 
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I have actually realised that I'm not fit for work, at least not the work I have done for the last near 7 years, for lots of reasons outlined and quoted here from the questions asked; I'm not mentally strong enough to take the projections that happen regularly, perhaps daily. My last job lasted nearly 5 years, and my workplace skill set actually decreased (at least on paper!). I today received a sick note after a talk with a CPN and my GP, and rang up and completed the telephone claim for ESA. One thing is for sure, when I have the assessment, I'm taking a dictaphone in with me, to allow for later transcription of the event.

I'm quite interested how things will turn out for me on ESA, I've returned to work, worked doing very basic and menial tasks for around 7 years on and off (off due to not being able to find work and thus doing an evening course), studying a BSc and have just finished an MSc. I'm very intrigued to see how the system deals with me; who knows perhaps I'll write an article about it...
 
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Interesting you've mentioned projection, the idea of prejudice is it's negative projection, remember one psychiatrist saying he is aware he is vulnerable to the negative projections of other people

Whether prejudice or illness the only one the dwp talk is illness

I tryed to work, it took them a number of years of persecution after i tryed for them to accept i was a genuine case, to this day i worry, it wasn't just the dwp it was also other agencies
 
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This benefit is so unfair,. Afer a long marriage and mym husband who is a lot older just walked out like a recluise I had to go on this benefit. Not only do I have bio polar and and a history of depression, I also have high blood pressure which is being controlled by meds. also I have a kidney dysfunction because of this and am under a Specialist, added to this I have iknee trouble and was not able to walk properly during the bad winter we just had due to muscle wastage and everything that I had wrong with me just made my walking worse.
I have passed the medical and now receive full benefit but the silly people at ATOS are still trying to find me work. Yes it would be great to work again, I really want to find something part-time but that silly woman at the ESA has no clue of my depression that I get from time to time and the seriousness of my medication that I take for it and it was another cause of my kidney problem coz the meds. I used to take for it poisoned me last year!!
Having said all this I am still young enough to work in my late 40`s and have opted to try and find some secretarial/receptionist work. I found a good post available the other week but it had unfortunately closed. Now they are trying to get me some relief work at the same place. Fair enough but this could mean me working very late at time "as and when" and finding it hard to get home on public transport, plus it would not be regular hours or it could end up being too many hours and then what do I do??
I feel that she has just shoved me in the nearest and easiest position of work that she can think of without really thinking that I do need regular hours and need to know what benefit I need to be on for the next year or so, ie. WFTC or ESA for another year.
Also she has told me to lie on the Application form for this job. She has said that I have absolutely NOTHING wrong with me!!! Haha yeah that`s why I am on ESA!! :O) she has told me that I must lie and not say that I have ANY medical conditons whatsoever. She has also told me that I must not even inform them upon interview about any future hospital appointments and stays etc. (I have to have an overnight stay in 6-8 weeks time and know damn well that I have!!).
i am not gonna lie to anybody and she is wrong to try and make me lie about such important things surely.
Now that my walking has significantly improved and I can get around the house and inside buildiings without my walking stick she has had the audacity to say that at least I have a walking stick to get myself to and fro a job and I probably can manage without it anyway!!! What a flaming cheek of her!! I rely on my stick to walk anywhere outside as I have very wobbly kneecaps which are prone to dislocation and have dislocated many many times in my life even warranting hospital admission.
So there you have it, yeah the kidney problem is getting better although I still have to have a biopsy to rule anything other out, my walking is a lot better INSIDE the house and yet she fails to even mention my bio polar!!
and I am supposed to lie on my application forms. Makes me sick it does.